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Are you looking at what he's actually doing, in the reality? Or listening to some speeches, or reading some bull? Find one difference between what Hitler was doing in 1939 and Putin, now. This is objective, factual reality what does it tell you? Every single neighbor of Russia was invaded and brutally subdued, many multiple times. How does seeking safety and protection against brutality and invasions amount to "provocation"? NATO itself was established to keep people of Europe safe from Russia: is its very existence "a provocation" then? Putin sure thinks so - be careful whose bull you're taking in. Is trying to be safe from a psycho bully next door "a provocation"? You sure know the answer: only in the psycho's mind, and world. You've got to choose one. He didn't "just die" - you forgot what happened to him? Forgetting these lessons of history can bring the whole thing right back. And who promised that the outcome is always guaranteed?

How did you make this connection? Will a greatest car that is painted win the race? The test is by the reality not some show.

None. The first point was already explained no need to repeat. And the second is about "the conspiracy to overturn a democratic election". Is it clearer, this way?

Except proofs from the future don't work. Individuals can have different ones - as proven by dinosaurs.

If such cases cannot be a) determined via a due process that majority of citizens accept as legitimate; and b) prosecuted to prevent criminal reoccurrence then anyone will be able to try it again and again with impunity. Until it succeeds. How is it not obvious?

See, if it's shrugged away and ignored now: it would mean that anyone can do it again, any time and with impunity. "Just find me the votes". And that would be the banana republic, not a modern democracy, de facto and objectively. This is what's at stake here. So either the justice system; or the citizens must determine what has transpired there; or the demise of democracy and banana state. Is it clear enough?

Well, the dinosaurs that adopted that strategy didn't survive into the age that followed. That much we know from the fossils.

An attempt to overthrow democratic government; or prevent it from ascending by compromising or "stealing" a democratic election would be considered a crime against the state in most democracies. This isn't a small matter. The Constitution, checks and balances were supposed to guard and protect the society and democracy against such attempts. Except they aren't working. There's no functioning mechanism, tool or instrument that can a) determine and b) prosecute such cases with the confidence and support of the majority of the citizens. This is a dysfunction of democracy. It is a glaring weakness. Theatrics and shows may try to distract from it, but they can do nothing to make it go away. The Constitution isn't protected any longer. And it means that the democracy is under threat.

This is as good as it will ever get, "if" never "sure". Then, why would we want to be playing right into its hands, by propping the candidate that is not the strongest? If some of us have legitimate reservations, it wouldn't be already the best candidate we can put forward, objectively? That is, is it only and solely about "them" or we would have something to do with it as well?

So you have a trinket that was designed to work in the 18th century, now is the 21st it's wobbling and throttling and nothing can be done about it except hoping that it could fix itself, somehow? A fair statement?

There can be truth to that. Still it doesn't answer the question, what could stand to the rising tide of totalitarians, with nukes? At least the Ode to joy had an air, appeal of plausibility. But what could replace it by being stronger and more resolved? Or should we just join it, quoting one fictional character?

So we know from history that the event known as "the arson of Reichstag" in 1933 was used as a pretext for a massive suppression of opposition (not only political) and led to the rise of a fascist regime in Germany. Are we hearing similar overtones, here and now? Should any and all objective and factual critique, even plain objective facts of a prolific political liar and convicted con man and his authoritarian cult criminal now? Note that this is the crowd crying for it as for the freedom of speech justification of the Jan 6 attack, Ku Klux Klan and other marginal cults. Just so that we always know and remember what we are dealing with here. These aren't innocent trinkets: people have paid very dearly for playing with it in the past.

So you are saying we have a great trinket only it doesn't work. And to make it work we're going to point fingers and chat about who's fault it is (not why it wouldn't work) forever.. and then it somehow, would fix itself, miraculously? Is that the idea?

What and where is the better confirmation that science does not lie? The three dead harmonics just cannot make two plus two.

Not really: it's the appearance that looked starkly different. The essence: the dead end; the sense of irreversible locking into the partisan unproductive hostility that stopped producing positive ideas and direction for the society long time ago was very much the same. It always happens the same way: political elites just don't see anything wrong but the populace feels the approaching dead end and is trying to feel out, blind, for ways out. Populists can promise a solution, being ostensibly outsiders of system but it's an impossible promise in the best case, or an outright lie. These crises just cannot be resolved by a throat, strong hand, even a miracle. The society while and if it's still sane has to find the way forward, to a renewed form and structure of the democracy that is more viable and stronger. There will be no miracles simply because they do not exist. There was no miraculous solutions for the dinosaurs: some had to learn to fly, other move to completely different habitats. There was never the ticket for the eternity; it was only an illusion, a pipe dream.

Question: why couldn't dead brains get it that they played their (three) harmonics about infinite number of times already? Answer: that would be the harmonic number four that requires at least one live cell in the organ that was intended for thinking.

In the 1940s AG Farben and IBM through donations and political influence made Allied governments seek the "peace" and "mutually beneficial cooperation" with the Axis. Alternative history of course. Free to explore.

0.000000%. Perfect and final zero of thought, reason and reality.

A scary future and it doesn't even consider ever hungry thugs - with nukes, who have learned to rule forever. Now, we have about a billion in the world formerly known as "free", and that would be the existential aka survival exam for it, collectively. I think that much is clear, and in the foreseeable perspective. No need to add anything.

Liberal elites contributed to the unfolding crisis of the free world by exercising, predictably and persistently their key trait: talking. When there's a problem, they talk. Talking is acting, acting is the result, so talking is the result, it follows. 2008: Georgia 2014: Ukraine 2021: Afghanistan This is how long: 14 years (fourteen) it took to nudge Putin to his adventure by demonstrating him complete impunity. Putin tried to prod and shake the principles and resolve of the free world; he had the time. And just maybe, he knew something. Time will always throw us these tests. Democracy that is weak will not stand them, zero chance against thugs like Hitler and Putin. And that is the whole point of the evolution: the weak can't stand; it has to give way to the new and stronger form, or generation. There was no ticket, forever. It was only a silly illusion, a pot dream. But this time around, there's no principled alternative. The conservatism of Reagan and Thatcher is gone, a thin smoke. That happened through erosion and degradation of integrity and principle, by handing them, piece by piece, to an angry authoritarian cult mob. A mob and the Guru they need each other and that's all they need. Laws, principles, traditions: good luck recovering them now, from an angry mob that can listen only to itself, orchestrated by the Guru. Like it ever worked. Like angry mobs were ever directed and led to eternal goodness. And this is our status quo as of today: weakness of will versus an accomplished degradation of all principles, and the freedoms would follow why and how, not? If the West won't find a stronger form of itself, its freedoms and principles that can stand and withstand the rise of the new Axis of tyranny, it will have few options but to be absorbed by it, with time but with certainty too. How and why, not? Any hints or glimpses so far, what and where could it be? Because the clock is ticking.

Liars will lie and there's nothing else: of reason and essence they can add. That's why they lie: they just don't have anything else. And that's why following liars, taking their lies for real is a bad idea. Our ancestors learned it the hard way. It pays to remember such lessons. And it can cost much to forget them.

That would be a pure, perfect zero of ten: thought and connection to the discussion in the topic. Only a brain that is genuinely and truly dead can achieve that. But how else, can't beat the science. The liars will lie their way and they have no other options. Provoked, hurt and misunderstood poor little lying things. And we knew it all: all there's to know.

Not a glimpse of hope (9). Science doesn't lie - liars do. They have no other options. They were provoked, hurt and misunderstood, poor little things without a working brain, but with a big and fat lying one instead.

8, and we knew the answer is going to be the ∞. Science never lies, while little brainless liars: all the time.

7 and not a glimpse of thought related to the topic. Bullshit flooding at its common and unavoidable stink.