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It is you that has turned silly. Seriously, if the goal was to prevent deaths worldwide a good starting list would be: Given the budget restraints, they found 16 investments worthy of investment (in descending order of desirability):[3] Bundled micronutrient interventions to fight hunger and improve education Expanding the Subsidy for Malaria Combination Treatment Expanded Childhood Immunization Coverage Deworming of Schoolchildren, to improve educational and health outcomes Expanding Tuberculosis Treatment R&D to Increase Yield Enhancements, to decrease hunger, fight biodiversity destruction, and lessen the effects of climate change Investing in Effective Early Warning Systems to protect populations against natural disaster Strengthening Surgical Capacity Hepatitis B Immunization Using Low‐Cost Drugs in the case of Acute Heart Attacks in poorer nations (these are already available in developed countries) Salt Reduction Campaign to reduce chronic disease Geo‐Engineering R&D into the feasibility of solar radiation management Conditional Cash Transfers for School Attendance Accelerated HIV Vaccine R&D Extended Field Trial of Information Campaigns on the Benefits From Schooling Borehole and Public Hand Pump Intervention ttp://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/how-much-have-global-problems-cost-world/outcome Here in Canada, an issue that I think needs more attention is metal health. This can save lives through reduced violence, suicide and also improve quality of life.

The point is that there is no "problem".

Yes, within reason. http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/false-sense-of-insecurity/

You are right, every preventable death is tragic. But, in your example, I would not expect the world to start focusing on teaspoon violence. We have limited ressources, why should we spend a disproportionate amount on Islamic terrorism compared to traffic accidents, gun violence. The silliness is in those that over-inflate the significance of Islamic terrorism,

I think that the most significant root cause of most people's fear of Islamic terrorism is our inability to comprehend large numbers and to put them into perspective. -There are 1,600,000,000 Muslims in the world - counting this high at a rate of 1/second would take 50 years! -There are an estimated 106,000 Islamic terrorists in the world (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/opinion/bergen-schneider-how-many-jihadists/) -99.99 % of Muslims are not terrorists. Let's say CNN mis-counted and there actually 1,000,000 Islamic terrorists, then still 99.9 % of Muslims are not. -In 2015, 28,328 people died due to terrorism worldwide (including 6,924 perpetrators) (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/11774-number-terror-attacks-worldwide-dropped-13-2015) -There were ~58,000,000 totals deaths, giving a rate of 0.5 terrorist deaths per 1000 deaths -There were 1.25 million road traffic deaths globally in 2013 (http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/en/), giving a rate of 22 deaths/1000 - 44 times greater than terrorist deaths -In the US, you are WAY more likely to die from gun violence compared to terrorism 120 times more likely if you include 9/11/2001. Since 9/11 for every terrorism death there are over 1,000 gun violence deaths. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/) Let's put more effort into preventing the top killers! Top Killers (http://www.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.html) The first eight diseases listed in the table below were the top eight killers in the United States in 2014, whereas the rest are shown for comparison purposes. Cause of death Number of U.S. deaths Rate of deaths 1. Cardiovascular disease 614,348 193 per 100,000 2. Cancer 591,699 186 per 100,000 3. Chronic lower respiratory disease 147,101 46 per 100,000 4. Accidents 136,053 43 per 100,000 5. Strokes 133,103 42 per 100,000 6. Alzheimer's disease 93,541 29 per 100,000 7. Diabetes 76,488 24 per 100,000 8. Influenza and pneumonia 55,227 17 per 100,000 Drug overdoses 47,055 15 per 100,000 Kidney disease 48,146 15 per 100,000 Intentional self-harm 42,773 13 per 100,000 Septicemia 38,940 12 per 100,000 Liver disease 38,170 12 per 100,000 Transportation accidents 37,195 12 per 100,000 Parkinson's disease 26,150 8 per 100,000 Firearm assault 10,945 3 per 100,000 HIV 6,721 2 per 100,000 Pedestrian deaths 6,258 2 per 100,000

If Muslims all believed the same thing they would not be fighting each other...

1,000,000,000 people have the same beliefs?

Immigration policies are probably the biggest political differences between Europe and Canada - with the Canadian model very much admired. I am more or less supporting the staus quo

We were talking about your hyperbole of "hundreds of thousands of people per year with medieval social views" entering Canada. I say social views in the Muslim world are decades behind the West - but OK lets move on to today. Muslims in Canada are very diverse: " the community is large and diverse with well over 60 ethno-cultural groups." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada and includes Liberal groups and progressive individuals like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarek_Fatah What "Muslim demands" are you so afraid of?

Do I really need to answer this? Just do a body count... Violence against women was different but similarly prevalent and severe. FGM is not a prevailing Muslim prevailing cultural value. Some conservative values are growing in Canadian Muslims - but no significant conservative practices.

I argue that today's misogyny, homophobia and antisemitism in the Muslim world is comparable to the West in the last century. In neither was/is it a prevalent cultural value but it certainly exists in an unacceptable degree. In the West: -Gay bashing was common -Gays were jailed -Violence against women was different but as bad -Antisemitism was often worse and treatment of other minorities too Yes, the "Muslim world" is decades behind. However most individual Muslims fit right in with western values - in fact about one million Canadian Muslims do.

Both the number and the expression "medieval social views" is an exaggeration. Generally, attitudes towards women, gays and Jews in less developed countries today are comparable to Western attitudes well within the last century. More importantly, there are civilized people in uncivilized countries and visa versa.People should be judged as individuals and thankfully the Canadian government does that and screens everyone with the same criteria: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/inadmissibility/who.asp

Top 10 source countries in 2015(http://canadaimmigrants.com/canada-immigration-by-source-country-2015/) Philippines India China Iran Pakistan Syria USA France UK Nigeria The fanatic countries I included were bolded ad up to 32,000 in 2015. How do you get "hundreds of thousands per year"?

Is Malaysia a failed state/dictatorship/war zone?

Malaysia

I'm not sure what your point is. Islam does not cause dictatorships or failed states.

The goal of practically every immigrant is to increase their personal and financial security for themselves and their family. Surveys show that Muslim Canadians are effectively integrating into Canadian society: "Do Muslims feel attached to Canada? As a population made up mostly of immigrants (many having arrived in the past decade), Muslims truly stand out as being among the most enthusiastic group of Canadian patriots. More than eight in ten are very proud to be Canadian (more so than the nonMuslim population) and this sentiment has strengthened over the past decade, especially in Quebec. Strong religious identity notwithstanding, Muslims are as likely as others in this country to say their Canadian identity is very important. And they agree with other Canadians on what makes Canada a great country: its freedom and democracy, and its multicultural diversity. Their greatest dislike, not surprisingly, is the cold climate. " http://www.environicsinstitute.org/uploads/institute-projects/survey of muslims in canada 2016 - final report.pdf

Is this based on some evidence or just your faith?

I would be surprised if there are more than 80,000 Muslims per year. Canadian Muslims are certainly more religious than the average Canadian. I have no problem with that. Canadian Muslims are blending in fine as per the Pew survey, I see no evidence of hatred of gays and Jews.

No, I am saying 32,000 is not hundreds of thousands...

First of all, hyperbole hinders your argument: "hundreds of thousands of people every year whose religious values are completely and violently incompatible with both secularism and tolerance" http://canadaimmigrants.com/canada-immigration-by-source-country-2015/ Second, odds are that most people leaving their "intolerant and theocratic" home countries (eg: a combined 32,000 from Iran, Syria and Pakistan in 2015) are those that would rather live in a more tolerant and secular country like Canada. Finally, the greatest eroders of Canadian tolerance are not immigrants it is those that are intolerant of immigrants.

There is evidence that some people need faith.

I agree, we are social beings. I think that saying that the religion declined due to an increase in education/reason is like saying the popularity of boxing declined because we are a less violent society. There are certainly other major reasons for the decline of religion, some may be more local: -overall decline in the respect for authority -uncovering corruption and horrific crimes by religious leaders Maybe, but I am skeptical and very hesitant to call it a major blow. The timing doesn't make sense. I see the most significant decline of religion as quite recent, maybe since the 60's. 100 years after Darwin. The Quiet Revolution in Quebec is an interesting case. Like we disused above, most religious faith is not based on understanding science/nature and besides, we will never have all the answers, the more answers we have the more questions we have too.

There is plenty of evidence to show that in some people faith is a virtue. Some very intelligent and successful people say that their faith is one of their strongest virtues. Who are we to judge otherwise. If faith were not a virtue then why would all successful societies develop systems of faith? What you seem to be doing is assuming that everyone is or should be like you. Faith is a virtue for some people (and I agree a vice for some). I believe that I was born to teach, to help others to...

Yes it is. At least for some people, to get through life you need to answer certain questions and make some decisions based on no evidence. Gathering evidence is sometimes not worth the time and it is best to act on faith so that you can move on to other things. Are human being born equal? If a person decides that they are certain that the purpose of their life is to... (tell stories, advance humanity, enjoy the pleasures of life, help the less fortunate...etc). Is that not a type of faith? I agree that faith is believing without evidence.