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You clearly did not understand what you cut and paste.

Why would I? I have never argued against what Tam has said you have. I actually have defended what she said.

Sino-Soviet relations appear strained at the moment both on this forum and over oil prices China does not want to pay Russia. You boys need to speak to Joe about who to sell your oil too...Donald is too busy blowing up his Navy.

I am not of this world. Boo.

It is a shape shifting demon whose purpose is to serve as catalyst to push us past our complacency so we can continue to evolve...life lessons are painful but without the pain we could not experience the joy..the two are inextricably linked..without that link..there would be no destiny..

Bare with me please......to be accurate they are all equally as dangerous to people with breathing issues because any flu or virus is equally as serious and a problem and potentially life threatening to people with cpd or asthma.....however the point is there are so many more unknowns about covid than a common flu we must assume the worst for now in containment strategies and of course this virus allows infections to piggy in and attack the lungs of even those without cpd or athma. Either way virus welcomes lung ailments which in that sense adds to the list of life risks for cpd and asthma patients and any immune compromised individuals who live with that vulnerability. So not different...just as bad... and I know it sounds like Inam playing semantics Pik here is my point..it ie important in the sense of knowing treatments created for cpd and asthma patients are now helping covid patients so thanks to the past suffering of cod and asthma patients and of course the work of their doctors people without their specific diseases who now have covid can borrow their treatments and recover. So in that sense each person who dies or suffers does not do so in vane. In that sense they suffer and die but help others to live which is why being fearful is a wasted emotion..we need to be a weird as it sounds joyful they died but in so doing helped pave the way to create new treatments. Out of death comes hope and life damn it.

Now I can agree with your last statement and yes there are major differences as to these rates. Look the bottom line is its a fucking dangerous virus.

All immunologists or doctors said is any virus is more likely to be transmitted indoors because of our closer physical proximity. So in winter as proximity indoors increases so does the likeliness of contamination which is why some refer to some viruses being more likely to be spread in the winter..orca season where you must remain shut indoors..the point is..itsvtye time you spend shutb indoors not necessarily the season and it also is dependent on many arecshutbin with, how close you are to them and your hygiene protocols. Sars mutated to both become more challenging to the body but much more difficult to spread. So it's more of a problem in confined indoors facilities..but proper hygiene protocols have contained its spread meaning it does not suddenly increase in our winters anymore. So speculating about what could happen with any virus without proper data is musleadingb because a virus may mutate to something more harmful or less harmful until a vaccine or efficient treatment protocols contains the virus.

In regards to your first statement no the analysis will contain far more variables. Your assumption is based on not understanding how disease death and mortality rates are actually tabulated. Nowhere did I state the flu and this virus have the same qualities..you didn't understand what I wrote. You erroneously assume if symptoms of illnesses or their physical structure is different their reatment and/or containment protocols can not be the same. Containment and treatment protocols for different viruses have both specific differences but general or uniform similarities allowing the same protocols to be used for different viruses. I did not and never said viruses are identical and all treatments are the same I said they have sufficient similarity to be able warrant the same containment and treatment protocols. We do treat all viruses already with many uniform protocols. Your death rate is based on false assumptions, specifically; why some died; how many actually recovered from viruses related infections that would have never been lethal; why they recovered; and who even got the illness which is not possible to know as many will not ever be known. Your question about swine flu and polio makes no sense. No one has argued a vaccine does not work. A proper analogy would be to ask me which of two viruses with no vaccine I would prefer to have. That is dependent on my individual immunity profile in relation to both viruses. Your assumption the covid virus is more likely to allow the piggy backing of opportunistic infections into my body to then kill me rather than another virus is an assumption not a fact. SARS causes more challenges to the body than Covid so in that sense could be argued is more lethal. However the same properties that make it more challenging to the body to deal with make it very difficult to catch and therefore less lethal. What makes any illness lethal depends on variables including; how contagious it is; what general protocols are in place for its treatment and containment; and the individual immunity profile of each patient. You u have made false assumptions as to what I stated, and how lethality is determined.

Yes and it's not by science except when it comes to learning treatment and containment protocols and certain treatments that may be sufficiently similiar to allow their being used with this virus. For example, aids is far different, but certain medications used to treat aids can be used to treat this virus. Their effect of course is being studied. Some seem to help.

The actual death rate varies from one to three percent of reported cases not 20 percent. The true death rate is unknown since we do not know all actual cases and therefore actual rate of death or percentageof people who have it and who never get sick and therefore in the clinical sense did not need medical assistance let alone from a hospital or social service. It is possible a person could be immune to it in the sense of never getting ill from it. That much is now well known. The problem is such people could transmit it on to someone vulnerable to it or may not. People do become immune to it creating anti- bodies., What remains highly inaccurate are deaths assumed to be caused by the virus. Opportunistic infections penetrate compromised immunity systems and they are what kills not the virus. Those infections could very well have been present and would have killed their host not withstanding they got the virus but it's still reported as a virus death. All viruses are viruses. It is illogical to state differences are so great as to make all generalizations about them incorrect. In fact from the perspectives of treatment and controlling of their spread, protocol considerations are sufficiently close to justify uniform consideration through past experiences as to how to treat and contain them. Scientific methodology makes generalizations based on testing to create treatment protocols. No this virus is not killing more than the flu, it does not kill 20 percent of the people with it nor will most or any of you die from it. Your need to keep posting assumptions of its strength to kill you is based on conflicting info you have been swamped with disjointed information and the human behaviour of negative thinking triggered by anxiety from not having clear answers. Negative thinking processes are in fact far more lethal and contagious than any virus. They have led to countless wars, suicide, genocide. May I suggest with utmost respect the impulse to think and attribute far more lethal qualities to this virus than is actually the case is not productive. I know it's easy to dismiss people who try point out actual data and not assumptions and get mad at us forcdoing so or presume we are insensitive, arrogant etc., but no it is nonsensical to suggest 20 percent of people are dying from the virus. The fact also remains early testing and proper protocols would have prevented the current crisis and prevented the pattern of condensed time period of deaths you may think makes the virus more lethal than it actually is. Nothing I have said argues the virus is not lethal or dangerous but please go read up on it and compare its treatment and spread and death rates to polio, sars, legionnaire's disease, aids, swine and avian flu, Spanish flu, rabies, syphilis, malaria, Ebola, Zika virus, sleeping sickness, cholera, dysentery, typhoid fever, bubonic plague, whooping cough, diphtheria, rubella, herpes viruses, cancer, aids. Diseases kill but education about them defuses much of the powers you falsely attribute to them. I say this with respect not to be an asshole.

It is similar enough to the Sars virus and flu viruses in terms of having learned from them and therefore making it in excusable governments did not put proper early testing protocol in place after Sars to have helped contain this much faster.

We have always as well had the power as consumers to refrain from buying g certain products. Maybe we need to take that power seriously.

Honestly I and many others are mad at their government for covering up the virus, allowing webt markets to flourish, flooding the world with cheap goods, hacking, spying, polluting, arresting innocent Canadians, being a large cancer. I am mad at me and all of us looking the other way angry at not criticizing Chinese government policies and boycotting many of its products knowing how they were made by and in toxic conditions. That said Bruce Lee was a cool dude, and I like Jackie Chan and Jet Li. Seriously there are many bad things to say about the Chinese government but irrational bigotry of all Chinese people is not helpful.. All humans are interconnected in terms of spreading and therefore preventing disease. So I defer to your concern as to any irrational impulses but I reserve the right to loath many of their government policies. As for that bafoon in the Philippines that is another topic. Hey Mandy I can not stand anyone..except you..

Trump did not create the wet markets that serve as incubators for such viruses. He also does not have the powers you think he has to then be culpable for imposing those powers. He is just a bobblehead doll. If it makes you feel better though blame him. He is ideally suited for being blamed because he is a sociopath...he feels no remorse, guilt, regret...in fact the more you hate him the bigger his ego gets...you feed the bear...he has never been in charge of pandemic management...he has little knowledge as to what the pandemic managers are doing..he is barely able to read his script..each sentence is slurred and fractured like Uncle Joe Biden talking... None of us know who is writing the script for this soap opera and so who dies...and who gets renewed... I still say people..watch... former hospital president Michelle Obama is brought in by the Dems as Prez or Veep candidate depending on how bad Biden's dementia is.. Trump literally won't lose unless he dies of natural causes..that is just it..the virus script provides opportune time to kill people off...including El Presidente... You were warned. Regards, Seth McFarlane

You sound aroused by the rhetoric of Putin and exhibit a need to illustrate any alliance between Klingons and the Federation is treasonous. No doubt this is caused by manifestation of a thought pattern originating from an inherited genetic trait your species has not yet evolved past. Your thoughts are quite illogical. Cooperation for mutual benefit is both logical and efficient in managing resources. Your distrust of other species while understandable is illogical.

Buh bye now Boris.

I pronounce it Poo tin . . Maw suck ow. Go on home Boris those steroid injections won't help you on this forum..we are all winners on this forum..united by our beavers...

Thank you comrade, lol.

Wet markets. Your country needs to crack down on them and impose health regulations. You are a chain smoking oncologist. Kind of like the Russians on this forum with their unhealed cold (war) scores telling the Yanks they have issues. Hah. Peking, Moscow both need to kiss a moose butt. .

I also believe interferon has not proven effective either.

No you miss the point Betsy..I would have already first learned about the tiger to know if it was tame or wild. I would assume of course under certain conditions a tiger is wild and dangerous but simply assuming it will at me because its wild is not helpful...we have the gift to learn about the tiger and instead of fearing it learn to respect it and not automatically assume we will be eaten by it. We have to move past primal fear of being eaten to avoid being eaten. That is what scientists and doctors are doing and we need to be practice patience in the interim. Its bloody ironic patients and patience sound the same. They are in this case. I do get your point. I am not telling you can not fear the virus..I am arguing defuse the fear with seeing how we learn to contain the tiger. There are no killer germs hanging in the air outside waiting for your nose or mouth to accidentally walk into ..the chance of droplets moving in the air past 6 feet landing on you is like trying to equate the chance of a meteorite hitting you. This is why you are told to distance 6 feet. Regards, Moe, Larry, Curly Joe, Shemp

Betsy we do. No one down plays this. Please do not take my comments as insulting. They are intended with utmost respect to address your fears. Its what we do on the forum talk them out..with respect..I do not ridicule you..I respectfully talk with you..never to dictate...the doctor you find confusing speaks with variables...she sounds confusing because she can not give you absolute answers..she tries to explain ranges of containment options..no one can guarantee masks make you safer in absolute terms. The air will not kill you and washing your hands and practicing physical distance will help you... and you reading up on viruses will not scare you...the more you read the more you will understand which will shrink the fear..the Devil in your terms feeds on your fear and grows..take away the fear by reading up and Satan shrivels away like a ballon losing its air..

I know you do because you take the fear and use it constructively.. your example was dead on and defer again to Pinky. I am not trying to be insensitive or rude on this thread but strongly defend Dialamah's comment about fear. I assure those I debate this is not rudeness just me saying read further..

It has only been pointed out it's actually not as or more dangerous tgan certain flus no one denies it allows piggy backing of opportunistic infections that kill. You seec what you want to see. In fact this virus is lethal in relative terms and you are not interested in the relative terms and stereotype anyone who tells you that as their denying the virus is lethal because you closed your mind to the actual variables. You gain assume all tigers will eat you. You show primal fear. You argue fear keeps you alive by running...not if it causes you to run off a cliff..you might instead learn how and where the tiger travels and avoid its territory..it might be more useful then running in a panic or thinking a mask, i.e., a pee shooter will keep you safe from a wild tiger.