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In 2006, Mahmoud Abbas appointed as senior religious leader of the PA, Sheikh Muhammad Hussein. on March 23m 2015, Hussein stated at a conference of Muslim scholars and delegations from over 46 countries the following: "The land of Palestine is waqf (i.e., inalienable religious endowment in Islamic law). It must not be relinquished nor must any part of it be sold... It is the duty of the leaders of the [Islamic] nation and its peoples to liberate Palestine and Jerusalem." source: Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, March 23, 2015 According to the above all Muslims are prohibited from recognizing Israel's existence or signing a genuine and permanent peace treaty with Israel that "relinquishes any part" of "Palestine," meaning all of Israel. He also stated at this world Muslim conference that ALL Muslims not just Palestinians have a religious obligation to "liberate Palestine", i.e., Israel. Then we have Mr. Abbas's other advisor on religious and Islamic affairs, Mahmoud Al Habbash who stated: "The entire land of Palestine (i.e., includes all of Israel) is waqf (i.e., an inalienable religious endowment in Islamic law) and is blessed land... It is prohibited to sell, bestow ownership or facilitate the occupation of even a millimeter of it." source: Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Oct. 22, 2014] As I showed earlier the Hamas' constitution article 11 states: "The Islamic Resistance Movement [Hamas] believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up." The question is why does Marcus pretend the PA or Hamas recognizes Israel pre-1967 and misrepresents the conflict as simply being Israel engaging in illegal settlements? Why does he refuse to acknowledge there is NO Palestinian or Arab League of Nations that believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state. Why will he not admit this? Why does he pretend Israel should recognize terrorists who want it turned into a Muslim state? What would he like them to recognize-the turning of Israel into a sharia law nation which Hamas and the PA call for? Why do the spambots on this thread hide from me and refuse to directly acknowledge their actual political agendas and who they are members of? Oh but hey they now have Jacee claiming by my challenging their bull shit piss on Israel propaganda I am flogging a dead horse. Got it. Israel is no dead horse. deny its existence all you want.Whine, complain, engage in codified references to its destruction, you know where to find me.

You can find the PA Charter at: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/plocov.asp Marcus et al depend on you do not read it and understand what it says. Here are its references to its continuing state of beligerence with Israel: Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people assert their absolute determination and firm resolution to continue their armed struggle and to work for an armed popular revolution for the liberation of their country and their return to it . They also assert their right to normal life in Palestine and to exercise their right to self-determination and sovereignty over it. Article 10: Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution. It also requires the achieving of unity for the national (watani) struggle among the different groupings of the Palestinian people, and between the Palestinian people and the Arab masses, so as to secure the continuation of the revolution, its escalation, and victory. Article 15: The liberation of Palestine, from an Arab viewpoint, is a national (qawmi) duty and it attempts to repel the Zionist and imperialist aggression against the Arab homeland, and aims at the elimination of Zionism in Palestine. Absolute responsibility for this falls upon the Arab nation - peoples and governments - with the Arab people of Palestine in the vanguard. Accordingly, the Arab nation must mobilize all its military, human, moral, and spiritual capabilities to participate actively with the Palestinian people in the liberation of Palestine. It must, particularly in the phase of the armed Palestinian revolution, offer and furnish the Palestinian people with all possible help, and material and human support, and make available to them the means and opportunities that will enable them to continue to carry out their leading role in the armed revolution, until they liberate their homeland. Here are the specific references to rejecting Israel pre 1967 by the PA in its constitution: Article 19: The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time, because they were contrary to the will of the Palestinian people and to their natural right in their homeland, and inconsistent with the principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations; particularly the right to self-determination. Article 20: The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the true conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of its own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong.

Before I move on to the equally as dispicable PA constitution let's make clear Hamas is in a state of declared war and terror against not just Jewish Israelis, but anyone who thinks Jews have a right to be Israeli citizens of a Jewish Israeli state. Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar clearly has stated that any talk of the Israel 1967 lines being recognized was and quote. "just a phase" until Hamas has a chance to "regain the land...even if we [Hamas] have to do so inch by inch." The source for the above: Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar Slams PA President Abbas for "Aimless Kangaroo-Like" Political Gymnastics and Says: We Will Not Relinquish Any Piece of Palestinian Land". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014. As I produced in its constitution above, Hamas leaders Ismail Haniyah and Khaled Meshaal, have also stated repeatedly that "Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it,"[ source: Hamas Leader Khaled Mash'al: We Will Not Relinquish an Inch of Palestine, from the River to the Sea". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014. and: "we shall not relinquish the Islamic waqf on the land of Palestine, and Jerusalem shall not be divided into Western and Eastern Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a single united [city], and Palestine stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and from Naqoura [Rosh Ha-Niqra] to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat] in the south." sources: "Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, in Visit to Tunisia: We Shall Not Relinquish Palestine, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014. "Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya Reaffirms Hamas' Commitment to Armed Resistance and Says: We Will Liberate Palestine in Its Entirety, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014. So for Marcus to come on this forum and lid suggest Hamas does not reject Israel in its entirety or anyone who suggests it does made it up is bull shit.

I make no hesitation in stating the only confusion being disseminated is the above comment from Marcus. I clearly state from previous conversations he has acknowledged the constitutions of Hamas and the PA and knows what they say and so the above statement by him is an example of him restating a falsehood, a lie, a false statement. Here is where to find the Hamas constitution: http://www.acpr.org.il/resources/hamascharter.html Its words referring to taking back Israel pre-1967 as well as all of Jordan as well as the West Bank and Gaza and turning them all into a sharia law state could not be any clearer: "The Land of Palestine 2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity." Here have Marcus explain Article 13: Article Thirteen [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: "Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware." Marcus is also quite well aware Hamas does not recognize Israel as a Jewish state can these words be any clearer?... " The position toward Occupation and political solutions 18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination. 19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse. 20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus." The above words do not refer to just illegal settlements as Marcus is well aware. Here have him explain Article 28 below and please note these words at the end of article 28 which state:"Israel by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population defines Islam and Muslims." This is precisely why on other posts Hudson Jones now hides from as he does from me on this thread, he stated Zionism was a cancer in need of wiping out. Article Twenty-Eight The Zionist invasion is a mischievous one. It does not hesitate to take any road, or to pursue all despicable and repulsive means to fulfill its desires. It relies to a great extent, for its meddling and spying activities, on the clandestine organizations which it has established, such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, Lions, and other spying associations. All those secret organizations, some which are overt, act for the interests of Zionism and under its directions, strive to demolish societies, to destroy values, to wreck answerableness, to totter virtues and to wipe out Islam. It stands behind the diffusion of drugs and toxics of all kinds in order to facilitate its control and expansion. The Arab states surrounding Israel are required to open their borders to the Jihad fighters, the sons of the Arab and Islamic peoples, to enable them to play their role and to join their efforts to those of their brothers among the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The other Arab and Islamic states are required, at the very least, to facilitate the movement of the Jihad fighters from and to them. We cannot fail to remind every Muslim that when the Jews occupied Holy Jerusalem in 1967 and stood at the doorstep of the Blessed Aqsa Mosque, they shouted with joy: Muhammad is dead, he left daughters behind. Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep. I will continue in the next post with the reference to the PA constitution to fully illustrate how Marcus lies, when he says I or anyone else has made up that the PA and Hamas believe in taking back all of Israel as well as Jordan, Read the damn constitution for yourself to see what Marcus deliberately pretends I made up.

You come onto a recycled script from "Hudson Jones" that flogs its piss on Israel spam, and you accuse me of flogging a dead horse. My how selective. Imagine that. Run along and be selective with someone else.

1-Lol, you really want to continue accusing me of theatre with the scripts you are using? 2-You do not speak for the world. 3-You third sentence sounds quite conflicted. You refer to yourself as a "this" and your opinions as not being "unique". Your right on the latter. As for the former, the fact you refer to yourself as a "this" and try detract from your actual identity is interesting. 4-In regards to the last question you could care less. To start with you won't even acknowledge the actual laws relevant to the issues you discuss. Instead you engage in so me myth that a UN resolution, let alone Resolution 242 defines what "occupation" means in international law. You clearly indicate you fabricate the law by passing off your subjective political opinions as if they are laws the world applies. Your last question has been answered time and time again. The very same countries you think don't recognize Israel as a Jewish state trade with it and acknowledge it has the very same right to exist as a Palestinian state, unlike you. Your diversionary tactic of trying to switch from your agenda to incite hatred against Israelis for existing as Israelis in a Jewish state by trying to refer to Israeli settlements has not worked. To start with you've used it one too many times. Next, I doubt besides me anyone reads your crap anymore than they do mine. Lol speaking about obsessions your burning desire to punish Jews for being Israeli is pathetic.

In his response BDS has recently started and it's already having a big impact to my statement about s.42 and 43 of the Hague convention being the operative definition for "occupied", Marcus used the following responses and I quote.. "There is no myth that Israel is occupying and stealing land. This is part of the denial of the truth and part of the theatre that Israel and its apologists try to sell us." "It's time to acknowledge the violators and to punish them. The punishment has already begun with the BDS movement, which has shaken the violators and their apologists." "BDS has recently started and it's already having a big impact. Enough that it's making the human rights violators and their apologists scrambling around, trying to resist the boycotts. " I would suggest when you read the above words the only theatre comes from the writer claiming to be "Marcus". These are classic propaganda scripts. The pith and substance of them is to incite hatred. Please note they do not distinguish between the Israeli state government, any of its policies, Israeli citizens, or ANYONE who believes Israel has a right to exist as a state. They are all demonized. He is well aware BDS is a political exercise that is meant to punish all Israelis indiscriminately for existing as Israelis in a Jewish state and being Jews and Israelis. That's its mandate. Marcus supports what he thinks is a boycott precisely because it punishes and demonizes all Israelis. In one breath he demonizes all Israelis indiscriminately with his references and of course supports a boycott to punish all Israelis indiscriminately. This is and has always been his agenda and I would argue words like "punish" and "punishment" reflect his actual feelings about any Jew who dares be an Israeli. As for the myth BDS is "punishing" the Jews of Israel or its "supporters" as for the theatre of urging on the punishment of Israeli demons I might suggest his desire for "punishment" is in his head: https://www.haaretz.com/blogs/david-s-harp/.premium-1.599763 https://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/19/the-bds-movement-is-failing-part-1/ https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/07/26/the-epic-failure-of-the-bds-cultural-boycott/ http://occamstypewriter.org/stevecaplan/2014/07/19/cultural-and-academic-boycotts-why-the-bds-movement-is-an-embarrassment-and-a-failure/ https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/culture/.premium-1.772686

You will note in Marcus's response he ignores s.42 and 43 of the Hague convention of 207. Its what he does. If the actual law he falsely misrepresents is shown, he changes the subject. He switches to the 4th Geneva Convention and refuses to discuss the actual relevant law and legal sections, 42 and 43 of the Hague Convention. He instead engages in the myth that the 4th Geneva Convention over-rides legally, these sections and their definition of occupation. It most certainly does not. Ask Marcus to provide the legal case law that says s.42 and 43 do not apply to the term occupied land anymore. He can not because it does not exist. The Fourth Geneva Convention is not even relevant to the issue of the legal definition of occupation as I shall explain. However let's first point out the UN Human Righrs Council panel that Marcus refers to was in fact Aran League of Nations and other states who do not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state which in fact makes them all legally conflicted and holding a vested interest in politically declaring anything to do with Israel invalid. This panel had and has ZERO I repeat ZERO legal power or jurisdiction to interpret or enforce the 4th Geneva Convention let alone s.42 and 42 of the Hague Convention the actual relevant law. In fact the statement they made and any UN resolution are and have never been legal rulings or binding. They are political comments. They can not be enforced they merely state political opinion not legal opinion. .In fact Christine Chanet, the French judge who headed this U.N. inquiry, stated and I quote: “To transfer its own population into an occupied territory is prohibited because it is an obstacle to the exercise of the right to self-determination.” There is no occupied territory. S.42 and 43 make it clear for the West Bank to be "occupied" it would have had to belong to a sovereign nation before Israel went onto the Wewst Bank. This is not the case. From a layman's perspective people feel since Israelis are on the West Bank that makes it occupied. The fact is it does not in law. It makes it disputed but not occupied. Marcus can try ignore s.42 and 43 and depend on the ignorance of the public which does not know the difference between the legal term "occupation" and the layman's term 'occupation" to advance his subjective opinion, but it does not make it law and this is precisely why he switched the topic from the relevant law to a non relevant convention that has NOT and never defined any definition of occupation other than what is in s.42 and 43 In fact, Article 49 of the Geneva Convention was drafted following the Second World War, during which time millions of people were deported, displaced and massacred. In the case of the Jews and Roma s, outright genocide was committed. In fact and this is what makes Marcus' script which is a PA-Hamas script, odious is that Article 49 was created to prevent another mass forced deportation of Jews and Roma or anyone else from European countries, the term " The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."..referred to a sovereign nation like Germany going into another sovereign nation and removing its people and killing them. There was no forced removal of Muslims from Israel and a systematic extermination of them as was done to the Jews in Europe which is what Article 49 refered to. Marcus repeats a script created by ex Nazis after WW2 who were welcomed to Egypt, Syria and Iraq as heros and created the myth this article was invented for Palestinians. It never was precisely because there was n o sovereign nation when Israel went into the West Bank. To point out why people like Marcus lie and misrepresent Article 49 to try suggest it applies to the Palestinians one must understand the law. He knows you will not take the time to research it. In fact the International Commission of the Red Cross clarified article 49's real meaning in 1958 by stating and I quote: “It(s.49) is intended to prevent a practice adopted during the Second World War by certain Powers, which transferred portions of their own population to occupied territory for political and racial reasons or in order, as they claimed, to colonize those territories. Such transfers worsened the economic situation of the native population and endangered their separate existence as a race.” Palestinians are not a race. In fact Arafat and the Arab League and all Palestinian leaders ridiculed using the term "Palestinian" to describe Muslims on the West Bank or in Israel and it was only after King Hussein threw Arafat out of the West Bank in 1967, Arafat invented the phrase to mean Muslims of the West Bank. In fact Arafat tried to kill King Hussein in the Black Sabbath uprising of 1967 and seize the country and failed. In fact Jordan was created illegally in violation of international law by Britain violating its Middle East mandate which Winston Churchill admitted in his memoirs and it was ironically Churchill who created this scheme. He seized 90% of land promised Jews for a country and created a non Jewish state he called Trans-Jordan which still refers to itself as the Palestinian state of Trans-Jordan. In fact this nation provided automatic citizenship to any non Jew claiming to be a Palestinian and excluded Jews from citizenship and still does to this day. It never declared the West Bank part of Jordan and in f act in 1967 said to Arafat after it expelled him to Tunisia that it wished nothing more to do with the West Bank since the people there made it clear they did not wish to be annexed by Jordan. Jordan left creating a vacuum of leadership on the West Bank. It became a place where Palestinian terrorists at will attacked pre 1967 Israel. The script Marcus wants you to swallow depends on you not understanding just how small the West Bank and Israel pre 1967 are and why Israel had to go into the West Bank to prevent terror attacks. The so called settlers were in fact used as early warning look out posts. Today with satellite technology and sophisticated surveillance equipment people on the ground may no longer be as necessary but if there was to be any settlement with Israel, without the PA and Hamas et al's de-militarizing and giving up their agenda to turn Israel into a Muslim state there will never be any chance of Israel withdrawing. When Israel withdrew from Gaza the very day it withdrew Hamas and the PA began attacking and to date remain in a declared state of war. Israel has had many border wars with Gaza and now faces terror attack possibilities daily from the West Bank and in East Jerusalem from Palestinian extremists. Israel has had the same issue with Lebanon. Lebanon was used by Hezbollah to attack and kill Israelis. Hezbollah claimed it only armed itself and attacked Israel because Israel was inside Lebanon. It said it would disarm the moment Israel left. The day Israel left, it attacked into Israel proper, has ever since and has a public agenda and constitution like Hamas and the PA calling on the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state and the turning of it into a Muslim state. Let us again be clear, Lebanon, Syria, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and over 300 other Muslim extremist terrorist groups are in a declared state of war to turn Israel into a Muslim state and kill all the Jews that are currently there. Marcus does not have the integrity to come on this forum and admit he believes only a Muslim state should exist on the West Bank, Jordan and Israel and reflect his extremist Muslim fundamentalist views. He won't admit his agenda the same way Hudson Jones hides from me and slipped up and stated on this forum he considered Zionism a cancer that needs wiping out then had the audacity to try pretend it did not refer to wiping out Israelis and was just a figure of expression. Let's be clear what Marcus misrepresents, its Article 49 of the Geneva Convention. He doesn't have the integrity to acknowledge s.42 and 43 of the Hague convention. He thinks if he ignores them they poof go away. Article 49 referred to the forced transfer of population that resulted in endangering a conquered SOVEREOGN nation's existence, not settlement to open areas even if an occupation took place. The lie Marcus engages in is that the people of the West Bank are all displaced Muslims from Israel. This is a falsehood. The fact is Muslims did not leave Israel and now have citizenship, legal, political, economic and land title rights NO Jew has in a Sharia law nation. The lie Marcus engages in reinvents the people of the West Bank as all being Palestinians. They are no more Palestinian or less Palestinian than any Jew in Israel or the West Bank. The fact is the vast majority of Palestinians on the West Bank are descended from non Palestinian Muslims who flooded the West Bank in the 1920's when Britain orchestrated their mass migration to prevent a Jewish state from forming. They in fact came in and took land from the Palestinians who were there. In fact in 1967 Arafat blew up the Land Titles Office on the West Bank because it showed the majority of land title owners were illegal and were MUSLIMS from neighbouring nation who stole or forced the land away from actual Palestinians. That script is ignored. The myth Abbas pushes is that the Muslim migrants to Palestine were already there for 1,500 years an invention completely repudiated by even Muslim historians. This is the same Abbas whose Ph.d thesis at the University of Moscow argued there was no holocaust. Here is another falsehood Marcus engages in. He is aware that Article 2 of the Convention he now quotes can not be any clearer in stating that the 4th Geneva Convention only would apply to 2 or more high contacting parties. The international community never acknowledged Jordan's occupation of the West Bank and Jordan gave up any occupation of it and never made it part of their nation and have no interest in it. Egypt never bothered to annex Gaza and in fact created the Gaza Strip as an open air prison to imprison Palestinians and prevent them from going to Egypt. There has been no high contracting party for Israel to have entered into this convention with. No Palestinian Arab state ever existed throughout human history let alone at the time Israel entered the West Bank. Marcus would have you suspend the law, pretend it does not exist, reinvent history to pretend there is a Palestinian state and always was. In fact it was Israel who offered numerous times to recognize a Palestinian state only to be told Palestinians in the PA and Hamas and their other terror cells would never stop their delcared war to rid the Jewish state and take it back as a sharia law state. It was Arafat who told the entire world he lied, engaged in bad faith negotiation and only used peace talk as a stalling tactic to regroup. To this day Marcus and Hudson Jones and the spambots will not come on this forum and state the obvious, that no Palstinian leader will recognize Israel as a Jewish state ever. Marcus et al will not come on this forum and acknowledge the San Remo Resolution of April 25, 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine of July 24, 1922, Judea and Samaria, East Jerusalem, and Gaza were all supposed to be part of a Jewish state and these agreements are still legally relevant and don't disappear because they don't have the integrity to discuss them. The Resolutions I refer to Marcus will not acknowledge and Article 80 of the UN Charter states that all mandates of the League of Nations are still valid. That he will deliberately ignore pretending only s.242 applies and is a law. Marcus engages in falsehoods. He poses as citing the law but he cites no law and no legal opinion that is binding in court because he can not. What he has done in past posts when advised Professor Eugene Rostow, former Dean of Yale Law School,stated in reference to the applicability of the San Reoni Resolution that: “A trust never terminates when a trustee dies, resigns, embezzles the trust property, or is dismissed. The authority responsible for the trust appoints a new trustee, or otherwise arranges for the fulfillment of its purpose.” he ignored that opinion as did Hudson Jones. They have nothing from any lawyer or Judge to say otherwise to that point. He can misrepresent all he wants that the Palestine Mandate ceased to exist in Israel and Jordan when Israel and Jordan obtained independence, according to Professor Rostow c “its rules apply still to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which have not yet been allocated either to Israel or to Jordan or become an independent state.” He repeats what I have argued on this forum for many years and that is,legally speaking, the Armistice Lines of 1949 represent nothing more than the positions the contending armies finished at the conclusion of Israel’s War of Independence. Marcus and Hudson Jones also ignore leading international law expert Julius Stone who also opined that Article 49 relates to the invasion of sovereign states not disputed territories.Stone also argued that the history behind the drafting of Article 49 of the Geneva Convention had nothing to do with the scenario now happening on the West Bank. In fact for Marcus' position to hold true and Article 49 applies and over-rides s.42 and 423 of the Hague Convention he would not only have to pretend there is a sovereign state that is occupied but he also has to pretend there has been a "serious dilution of the native population" of Palestine. That would not just include Palestinian Muslims but Palestinian Jews, Druze, Christians, who the Palestinian leaders and terror cells do not acknowledge as having the same rights as Palestinian Muslims as citizens. Not only that, the Palestinian population if we call it that has not been diluted its exploded in size. The Marcus Hudson Jones Zionists are Nazis script tries to create a scenario of genocide of Palestinians. There's been no genocide, just the exact opposite, a population explosion. Keep this in mind. Palestinians are the only persons defined as refugees in the way they are. For any other person of the world to be considered a refugee they must have been born in a country they were forced to flee for political reasons. In the case of Palestinians, they are in fact people who were NEVER born in Israel and most are descended from Muslims who were never Palestinian to start with but "occupied" Palestine displacing actual Palestinian Muslims. What Marcus doesn't have the integrity to admit is that in his definition of Palestinian, any Muslim (no Jew) if he calls himself a Palestinian is one. That's the test. You merely say you are Palestinian, and presto you are. That means you have a right to return to Israel and be given citizenship and land there. That is the position of the PA, Hamas, et al and this they say is why they will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state. If they did that, their fiction that any Muslim who wants to all himself a Muslim should be allowed automatic citizenship AND land in Israel pre 1967. The word "law of return" is also interesting. In the myth of the Palestinian who returns to Israel, when they never came from there at any time in history. As well, since the end of World War II, no territorial dispute in the world has been defined as occupied territories, except in Israel’s case.

This threads recycles the same scripts that have been placed on this forum for years. For James Hacker who may not understand my responses and find them cryptic, if he traced back the pattern and content of Hudson Jones-Marcus-Bud threads he would notice this thread is recycled. The use of the word "occupied" in the Hamas-PA script has been repeated so many times now that it is assumed to be true by the left because of the sheer amount of times its been used incorrectly. The actual legal definition of "occupation" comes from the 1907 Hague Convention, Articles 42 and 43: Article 42: Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercise. Article 43: The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country. The articles above state for land to be "occupied: it must be: 1-under the actual control of a hostile army; and 2- previously the sovereign territory of another state; and 3- the occupier holds the area with the purpose of returning it to the prior sovereign. In the myth of occupation that the PA-Hamas script script states which was actually originally drafted by ex Nazis who were welcomed to Damascus, Syria and controlled its Ministry of Communications (Propoganda) and then later disseminated by the former Soviet Union and used today by spambots and trendy leftists who have no clue of international law but think they do, these spambots stop after the first sentence in article 42. They pretend they can read one sentence in Article 42 separate from the rest of the wording in 42 and read it as well separate from article 43. The land on the West Bank was never part of a sovereign territory, ever. That's the first myth the PA and Hamas and for that matter Arab League push. They also ignore the fundamental precept that to be occupied in addition to having had to have been a sovereign territory, the occupier, Israel, intends to return it to the prior sovereign. There is no prior sovereign. The thing though is when you spam and inundate boards with propaganda it depends on people not understanding the laws misrepresented. For those who have been on this forum long enough they've seen this bullshit myth spewed over and over again. So these spambots can pretend all they want Palestinian as a sovereign state existed prior r to 1948 and 1967 or like Mr. Abbas completely invent a false history of Palestinian civilization 1,500 years ago but its all horse crap and its why despite all the anti Israel rhetoric no international court can NOT tell Israel to leave the West Bank without Israel agreeing to. The rhetoric passed through UN resolutions or "recommendations" are not and have never been legally binding. As for the pretending that the PA and Hamas are not terrorist organizations in a current state of war with Israel as these spambots do, its part of the myth and fantasy. The fact is Marcus, Hudson Jones et al, remain unable and unwilling to state their actual agenda which is to support turning Israel's current Jewish state into a Sharia law Muslim one. Until they do, until they admit their true agenda and continue to ignore and hide from me with their agenda, they are to me spambots. Their script is far from original. They do not represent Palestinians or Israelis. They haven't a clue who either are and are quite happy with a conflict between the two because they sure as hell will not discuss the continuous Muslim internal turmoil. They think pissing on Israel detracts from what now is happening across the Muslim world whether it be Malawi, Chad, Niger, Dahomey, Senegal, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria, Philippines, Indonesia Malaysia, Libya. Tunisia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Chechnya, China, Lebanon. Bahrain, Oman,Pakistan, Afghankistan, on and on where Muslim factions kill each oher and non Muslims. The exercise of pissing on Jews because they have a Jewish nation no longer serves as the unifying glue and vision of the Muslim world to prevent its implosion.

Its clear to the people it was sent to. So is the fact that the entire thread provides no information, just the same subjective anti Israel comments.

Your comment above makes no sense. "have no problem with the prevention of State of Palestine to be formed by Israel" is nonsensical. But hey thanks for sharing. I mean what would a "Hudson Jones" thread be without a "Marcus" contribution no matter how nonsensical and disjointed it is. Got it. Thanks for the translator mangled English and the selective disjointed syntax. Now find me someone at the disinformation desk who will make an effort to finish a sentence in English properly. I have already volunteered to respond in Arabic and Farsi if you boys can't handle the translator. Just try once, send someone who can finish a sentence that makes sense. Here is a list of "drama" for you: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisrael.html It's called Palestinian terrorism. روز آهسته محمد بطيئة اليوم محمد

I would point out the person who started this thread engaged me on another thread where I challenged and exposed his false representation of Israeli state positions and his misrepresentations as to the positions of the PA and Hamas to recognizing the state of Israel. Rather then have the integrity to respond he started a new thread to avoid having to respond to me and has now made the same false statements again in a new thread. I would argue the very title of this thread is not an invitation to debate but pronounces a falsehood, specifically a false attribution of position placed on all Israelis. The title of his thread is false. It is not the position of the state of Israel or any Israeli. He does not speak for either or know what the state of Israel or Israelis want. In fact he has made it clear on this forum he believes anyone who believes in Zionist ideology has cancer that needs to be wiped out. As such any claim or pretense of discussing the conflict as if he understands the Israeli position is a joke. Let's be clear what the state of Israel position is. It is public record as to its attempts over the years to initiate and attempt to recognize and make peace with Palestinians. It is public record that Arafat told the world his negotiations with Israel were a sham, simply a bad faith stalling exercise and he stated the PA would never accept a Jewish state and would never stop until Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza are all taken back and turned into a Palestinian sharia law state and with terrorism and violence. That remains the position of the PA and Hamas. In fact Mr. Abbas stood up in his assembly, confirmed this and cheered and gave a standing ovation as fellow PA members called for war and terror to take back Israel. The constitutions of Hamas and the PA are public record and make the above positions clear as is possible calling for holy war to continue until Israel is turned into a Sharia law state. So to commence a thread saying Israel doesn't want to recognize a Palestinian state is a joke particularly when Hudson Jones ran from his last thread where he was exposed for refusing to acknowledge the PA and Hamas are at war with Israel let alone why. His pathetic response in avoiding discussing their true positions was a limp, "they don't have to recognize Israel as being Jewish". That is past pathetic its intellectually dishonest. "Hudson Jones" suggests Palestinians and Muslims must be recognized as a collective states but not Jews. In "Hudson Jones''' world, Israel must recognize a Palestinian state that refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and demands Israel cease to exist as a Jewish state and maintains their war of terror against Israel, ALL Jews, and anyone who supports Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, until Israel agrees to become a Sharia law state. So how many more of these repeat scripts of "Hudson Jones" repeating the same b.s. will be posted under this section? How many times will his script be repeated verbatim? How many times will he ignore ALL Palestinian Hamas and PA leaders have argued that recognizing a Jewish state would necessitate relinquishing the so-called "right of return"– the option of allowing Palestinians who fled Israel in 1948, and their millions of descendants to resettle in the State of Israel? Why will Hudson Jones not admit the above? Why when he is asked to acknowledge the above, he won't deny it, he simply runs from it and starts a new thread pretending its not a fact and refusing to respond to it? Why will he not acknowledge it? He can't deny it because he knows its true, but he is not intellectually honest to admit it. Why? Why does he pull the same stunt and refuse to acknowledge the Hamas and PA charters call for the dismantling of a Jewish state and the only state they will recognize is a Sharia law one? Why does he think if he plays semantics and says Hamas and PA recognize a state in Israel but omits it has to be a Sharia law state, this fools anyone? Who does his script "fool" or try recruit to his way of thinking at this point? Why does "Hudson Jones" start such threads with deliberately false titles? Why does he not acknowledge Arafat told the whole world that all peace talks Arafat carried out were done in bad faith and Israel and the US should have known Arafat would never settle for anything but the return of Israel as a Muslim state and that he was only stalling for time? Why does "Hudson Jones" refuse to disclose that Mr. Abbas has stood up in his assembly giving a standing ovation and cheering and chanting along with death to Israel chants while at the same time posing as a person Israel should recognize as a good faith peace partner? Why does "Hudson Jones" refuse to admit that Mr. Abbas stated that once a Palestinian state is created it will be used to complete the and I quote "liberation of Palestinian territory, pre 1967 Israel as per article 8 of the PA covenant? Why does "Hudson Jones" refuse to admit that Arafat when meeting with Arab diplomats in Stockholm in 1996 stated and I quote: "We of the PLO will now concentrate all our efforts on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps. Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem. All Palestinian Arabs will be welcomed back by us. If the Jews can import all kinds of Ethiopians, Russians, Uzbekians and Ukranians as Jews, then we can import all kinds of Arabs to us. We plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs" Why does this supposed "Hudson Jones" come on this forum and pose as discussing the Israeli state position but refuses to disclose the above and the positions of the PA and Hamas as to Israel? I ask you, would you recognize someone who will not recognize you? Does that make sense? Will you recognize someone as legitimate who says his only position in regards to you is to kill you? This thread I argue is nothing more than a transparent attempt by Hudson Jones to have avoided responding to the above points I made in a previous thread with him where he hijacked a thread on Islamophobia to use that thread as an opportunity to piss on Jews for being Israeli which had nothing to do with the topic, not a damned thing. Now when exposed on that thread and he ran from me, he starts another thread repeating the same stale script he won't defend. What he does is state a position but won't defend it in debate. I would argue he can't defend it. He can't. He can't point out one thing I said is false so his m.o. is to run and start new threads or simply call me a personal name. The difference between us is when I call out "Hudson Jones" as being dishonest I state why, he claims I am dishonest but never once has produced a thing from me that shows I have lied about the positions I presented. This is why I have stated as long as "Hudson Jones" is on this board I will respond and repudiate each and every word he writes. I do so because I believe the name "Hudson Jones" is a script that is being placed on this forum over and over again to propagate lies and misrepresentations and its past the point given its pattern and repeat content of being anything but in my opinion anti Israel spam. When will "Hudson Jones" have the integrity to acknowledge what the actual position of the PA and Hamas is, just once.

According to the CATO institute, https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis, Policy No. 798 when studying immigration to the US: 1- foreign-born terrorists who entered the country, either as immigrants or tourists, were responsible for 88 percent (or 3,024) of the 3,432 murders caused by terrorists on U.S. soil from 1975 through the end of 2015; 2- including those murdered in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 (9/11), the chance of an American perishing in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil that was committed by a foreigner over the 41-year period studied here is 1 in 3.6 million per year; 3-the hazard posed by foreigners who entered on different visa categories varies considerably- the chance of an American being murdered in a terrorist attack caused by a refugee is 1 in 3.64 billion per year, the chance of being murdered in an attack committed by an illegal immigrant is l 1 in 10.9 billion per year, the chance of being murdered by a tourist on a B visa, the most common tourist visa, is 1 in 3.9 million per year. In Canada we have had an attack in Edmonton by l person, the attack against soldiers in Quebec and the 1 in Ottawa with that lone gunman and the hate attack against the Mosque in Quebec City. So of these 3, 2 were said to have been done by those claiming to be Muslim and claiming that as their basis for doing it. Does the risk then of terrorism go up simply because one takes in Muslims as immigrants? Well we know for example Amidyah Muslims came to Canada specifically because they were targets of Muslim terrorism in Pakistan by other Muslims. We know Ismaili Muslims shun terror and are very progressive and doing very well in all Western countries they have settled in and have 0% terrorism in their societies but have been targets of hate attacks by other Muslims. So to say those two groups are terrorist in any way makes no sense. Studies have shown that when attacks are done by Muslim its usually Sunni Muslims then Shiite Muslims to no one's surprise but the percentage of Muslims who are in fact terrorist is not a logical or objective basis to say all Muslims are terrorists, in fact the exact opposite. When we discuss Muslim immigration its true we tend to jump to the conclusion Muslims are more likely to be terrorist since the majority of terrorism attacks right now in the word do come from Muslims. What we do not say is that the vast majority of these terror attacks will kill Muslims though, in Muslim countries. Of course when they do occur against non Muslims in Europe or the US the media pays attention but the on-going attacks in many African countries go unreported. All that said when we discuss Muslim immigration we tend to believe if a Muslim is extremist or fundamentalist they are more likely to be a terrorist since Muslim terrorists when caught are not exactly modern or progressive but advocate fundamentalist Sunni or Shiite beliefs. The question then becomes if Muslims are fundamentalist but not terrorist, are they a security risk in Canada, if so why... I would argue fundamentalist beliefs of any religion including Islam are problematic in that they clash with fundamental rights as envisioned in s.2 of the Charter of Rights other than religious freedom and in particular they conflict with the rights of women, gays, or non Muslims to be treated as equals to Muslims in day to day life. Fundamentalist Islam defines women as inferior, gays as sub-human infidels and spends over half the Koran defining non believers of Islam, i.e. kafir as unworthy, hardly a compatible system of belief in a country that claims to be tolerant of all. In particular Islam calls for a war against all Jews using some very violent references and references that render Jews non human. To pretend the Koran's passages on kafir are ignored by Muslims is just not true. It promotes hatred against Jews and it promotes very rigid views about sexuality, the role of women in society, gays, and non Muslims. If practiced in a modern, progressive reformed approach as do the Ismailis, or as the Amidyah do, its a very peaceful way of thought no different than progressive Christianity of Judaism. So its a question of not asking who is MUSLIM but what KIND of Muslim people claim to be. When Citizen asks how to identify Muslims he has to understand like the Japanese, Italians, Germans during WW2, if identity in the sense of beliefs compatible with democracy can not be readily and practically identified, and terrorism becomes wide spread, security imperatives will trump civil rights. The notion the state will sit back while Muslim terrorism runs rampant and not bring ALL Muslims under scrutiny because it would be unfair is unrealistic. If a pattern of terrorism emerges with ANY group of people, innocent people in that group may find themselves swept up and detained no different than Japanese, Germans, Italians. This is what happens. Comparing though this kind of phenomena with the rounding up of Jews during the holocaust is false. Jews, and Roma (a.k.a. gypsies), were not arrested and placed in camps because they were terrorist. When Canada imprisoned thousands of innocent people, it did not gas them or torture them or use them as slave labour. Later on when Jjehova's Witnesses and 7th Day Adventists were also rounded up, it was because they refused to swear an allegiance to Hitler and they too were gassed. No one in Canada was gassed and rounded up for being a 7th Day Adventist. So I think its a false analogy to suggest to me as a Jew or any minority any state security action on a collective basis is automatically suspect as Nazi like. Rampant state powers that take away individual rights can quickly turn totalitarian in nature and abuse power yes. However its unrealistic to think states do not have an ethical responsibility to enforce certain laws in times of wide spread danger.

They spew like you say all kinds of crap. I doubt they even remember half of the macho crap they spit out. Terrorists posture and huff and puff in fact their scripts. The kind of terrorism we hear of today in the media is usually Muslim extremist fundamentalist ideology based and financed by Saudi Arabia or Iran. Although acts of terror and violence have been committed for centuries, terrorism's modern roots can be traced to the French Revolution's Reign of Terror in 1794–95, with its gruesome public beheadings, violent street battles, and bloodthirsty rhetoric. It was the first time in modern history that mass violence was used in such a fashion, but it would not be the last. I suppose how you define terrorism depends on how you want to define its origins. I think most people on this forum were born in the 1980's so have no clue of any history or political events before then or for example that Muslim on Muslim violence or Muslim on non Muslim violence has gone on since the institutionalization if Islam into states and before Islam Christian and Jewish societies and religions before them engaged in state or regional government or organized politically violence acts of war and terror in the name of God. We know that in the second half of the 19th century, terrorism arose carried out by nationalists, including those in in Europe as various groups rebelled against their rulers. The Irish National Brotherhood, the predecessor of the IRA initiated bomb attacks in England in the 1880s. There was the the socialist Narodnaya Volya cell in Russia that carried out attacks and is blamed for killing Czarar Alexander II in 1881. The National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism based at the University of Maryland accumulated data that showed in the year 2012,Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan—accounted for the sites for 54 percent of terrorist attacks that year and another 58 percent of terrorist attack fatalities that year. occurred in India, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, and Thailand. In 2017 if you want to see where most of the terrorist attacks are happening you can go to: http://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/?year=2017 This chart from the Global Terrorism Data base at https://www.voanews.com/a/most-terrorism-victims-are-in-mulim-majority-countires/3478905.htmlshows shows between 2001-2015 as is the case in 2017 if you look at the map I listed, the no. of fatalities from terror attacks is killing Muslims and carried out by other Muslims. cont. next post

Start with outing yourself.

I have concern as does any person whose parents or family Jewish or not came from a country where there was discrimination based on negative stereotyping yes. However being Jewish does not automatically mean I must have certain political views or think in a certain away because my family suffered in other countries. No it does not mean I should pander to extremists and fundamentalists because they play the race or religion card. That said, you ask how do we know if someone is a Muslim? That's not the question I ask. I. I ask, how do we know if someone is a RADICAL or EXREMIST or TERRORIST. Their being Muslim is not my issue-their using Islam or any religion or ideology to justify their terrorism or certain beliefs incompatible with the fundamental precepts of democracy is. No I don't think being Muslim gives anyone a carte blanche not to be questioned or suspected of wrong doing anymore than I would use my Jewish identity that way. Ironically in many cases extremists are quite happy to reveal their beliefs. For example, the current NDP Leader stood up in the Ontario provincial assembly as Deputy NDP leader calling for the support of BDS and openly attends meetings with Siekh and Muslim extremists and terrorist sympathizers and claims its racist to ask him his views on Siekh terrorism. He claims he is a progressive and believes in sex education in the schools, women's freedom of choice in regards to abortion, and is pro gay, then in the next breath panders to Siekh and Muslim extremists he knows are dead against sex education, gays and abortion. Our Prime Minister attends mosques where the Mullahs preach hatred about gays then wears pink shirts and tight jeans and attends every gay pride rally in Canada. In one breath he says with Mullahs engaging in the beliefs that women are inferior and need to be covered up, then in the next breath claims to be feminist and will be sending 600 soldiers to train women to be peacekeepers where in Saudi Arabia? In Iran? Of course not. This is a Prime Minister who stood up in Parliament and lectured all Canadians about Islamophobia and then deliberately remained silent when Mullahs in Mosques then cried out that Jews are evil and a war is needed against them. Not a peep. Then again this is the same Trudeau who at a Holocaust Remembrance ceremony refused to mention Jews died in the holocaust and showed up this year in Ottawa at a holocaust memorial ceremony where his bloody government created a memorial to the holocaust that made NOT MENTION of Jews dying. He didn't even apologize for the oversight. Who me surprised? His Middle East advisor is Omar Alleghbra, a Musim who is pro Hamas and openly has denied the holocaust. This is the same Prime Minister who attacked the leader of the Conservative Party for being Catholic claiming that made him anti abortion and women should not trust him because he won't separate his religious views from office if he is elected -but had no problem appointing a Somali Muslim refigee as Immigration Minister. This is a Prime Minister who deliberately refused to go to the Supreme Court of Canada and ask for a ruling as to whether the violation of Omar Kadr's Chrter of Rights entitled him to more than an apology, i.e., money arguing the doctrine of clean hands would serve to vitiate the claim for monetary compensation. So now because of this precedent he set an individual who came to Canada in the 1990's, had his refugee application rejected, was under surveillance for attending a mosque in Montreal full of iSIS supporters, left the country and was surveilled in Europe frequenting with ISIS supporters, arrested by the American and then sent to Guantanamo Bay for 11 years, is now applying in Edmonton for a law suit of 50 million claiming well even though he's not Canadian and never was, hey CSIS reported him to other country's intelligence agencies which eventually led to his capture so he can sue Canada. As I write this immigration analysts say about 200,00 El Salvadorans, 20,00 Guatemalans, and up to 100,000 Mexicans, not to mention unknown amounts of Hondurans and Nicaraguans are being mobilized by human transporters (coyotes) to get up to Canada. We are also to be flooded by Indians, Chinese, Africans escaping global warming and desertification causing them to move to look for water and food. We haven't mentioned up to 5 million illegal aliens in the US of whom many will flood our country in the next few years. So security issues are not going away and I doubt this leader is even aware what challenges this country faces when he announces he's going to bring in 1 million new Canadians in the next 3 years when illegal migration and soaring refugee applications are not counted in that amount. So for me security as an issue doesn't go poof because people might be Muslim or Jewish or Central American or Hatiens, or anything else. It is what it is.

It has already happened to aboriginals, Japanese, Italians, Germans. Its not so absurd. Its part of our history. The point is and I say this with due respect you have never lived in an era where state security was such it was impossible to know who your enemy was. In world war 2, Germans, Italians and Japanese were interned for that reason. We at one point foced aboriginals because they were aboriginals in camps we just called them reserves. Hell Justin's father had no problem arresting thousands under the War Measures Act and if you look back at the grounds it was pretty flimsy at the time. If Muslim terrorism became wide spread or there was a war against Muslim nations they would be rounded up as sure as hell as Chinese would if we had a war with them or God knows who else. Its how war and terror works. It alienates. It makes it impossible to know enemy from innocent and the need to take precautions that err on the side of prevention. No one born in a world that takes democracy for granted understands the price that was paid to obtain it. They just think it is what it is. Now to answer Citizen's comment directly I never hide my opinions. I am open. I am someone who honestly says if we were at war with Israel they'd round up Jews. If we were at war with Muslims, Mexicans, we'd round them up. Its reality. Its a fact. It happened and it will appen again and we are a match stick away from it happening in Europe. Do I want people arrested simply because they are Muslim, no of course not but the reality is if the state could not differentiate in a state of war or siege the difference between a Muslim and a Muslim terrorist it will lock up all Muslims. I know that because as a Jew people had no problem gassing 6 million of us because of what we were perceived to be, not who we were and the stereotypes continue with people using Israel as the couched context to issue codes on this forum to wipe out Jews for having their own state to protect them from state persecution. All that said, and I say it openly not hiding it Citizen, I do not want anyone, not a person arrested simply because of their religion or political belief no. That would be a slap in the face of democracy of course. That's easy. What is not easy is what to do when a society is breaking down in the midst of internal terrorism or external war attacking it. I have no illusions during war and states of siege due to terrorism, democracy suffers, is suspended and could be fatally injured with certain rights lost and never to come back. This is why I argue, not because I am anti Muslim or anti anything, that if someone comes to Canada, regardless of their cultural, ethnic, religious values, if they can not embrace fundamental values of democracy no I do not want them demanding we tolerate them and accept their views. No I do not wish to tolerate covering women head to toe, believing sex is evil and something women's faces show, no I do not agree with Muslim fundamentalism anymore than I do Jewish or Christian or any other fundamentalism. If someone wants to use Canada to impose Muslim fundamentalism I do not think they should be able to argue that is their democratic right. Holding views that seek to tear down democracy I believe are a poison that will destroy Canada. I think Justin Trudeau is mentally deficient in his romantic hero worship of Muslim. He wants to embrace Muslim fundamentalists with one hand and gays with the other. He wants to embrace Muslim fundamentalists with one cheek wile exposing his other to feminism. It won't work. You don't sit and worship with anti gay, anti feminist religiously intolerant fundamentalists on Monday then with gays and defminists on Tuesday. That is crap.

Lol yes.

Merci. , I can tell you Quebecers like to wear G-strings no matter how fat we get so its important such resorts exist...besides Quebecers already took over the beaches of Florida to the point we Quebecois, like les Juifs, les Cubans, les gays, les Haitiens, les Sunbirds, have been pushed from our usual migration patterns to Southern Florida due to les floods/hurricanes. And so this new intiiative to find new sources for our display of les g-strings.... Sil vous plaint, please remember since the waters in Quebec are cold, don't get any ideas, its shrinkage from the cold as George Castanza once pointed out on Seinfeld you will see. Please do not assume this is a general state of affairs as to our size. Thank you. Merci. Real Plummage, Directeur Tourisme Quebec

Again we see how Hot Enough has tried to hijack this thread to discuss his disjointed, simplistic one trick mantra of pissing on the US, period. His posts are indistinguishable no matter what the subject of the thread is. Getting back to the actual thread topic I do remember Omni for many posts claiming how Trudeau saved us all money by settling with Kadr. Omni could not fathom by not referring the matter to the Supreme Court of Canada to determine if the dirty hands doctrine applied, Trudeau has now put down a precedent of paying off people millions and so in the last 5 months like moths to flies we now have people lining up asking for multi-millions in settlements for violations of their rights. Next is Djamel Ameziane. He claims Canadian officials helped Americans. Ameziane was in Gitmo 11 years. He was released in 2013. He lived in Montreal in the 1990's for 5 years and was denied refugee status. Then he moved on to other countries. He was never born in Canada nor a citizen of Canada but hey he's now suing us $50 million and he openly stated he's suing us because the Kadr case says he can. Is he suing the US or anyone else? Of course not. Aside from Omni and the Liberals who did not see this coming or the others now suing this country? How could Trudeau or Omni not understand what it means to not test the dirty hands doctrine and set a precedent this country pays people like Kadr and Ameziane. Ameziane is laughing his butt off and has a FREE lawyer working on contingency basis. Oh how's this for Islamophobia....when in Montreal he attended the same mosque as am Al Quaida cell which is why Canada notified the Americans of that fact after he left Canada. Yah that's worth 50 million.

This thread is about Liberal immigration policy not Hot Enough's simplistic disjointed repeat hijacking of threads to repeat his anti US mantra. Now as we speak the fool Trudeau has sent MP's in a state of panic down South. He's just realiZed with his collapsed borders policy there are at least 5,000 Hondurans and 86,000 Hondurans and 200,000 Salvadorans all about to flood Canada not to mention Mexicans and South American states not to mention more people from Haiti. Our immigration system is in a state of total breakdown and chaos with the refugee system now backed up a minimum of 3 years meaning automatic acceptance now of thousands of refugee applicants who are not refugees but will now flood the refugee system knowing with the back-log they can use a Charter of Rights challenge of undue delay to automatically win their applications. This is an absolute travesty to genuine immigrants and refugees and to the security of the state. God knows how many terrorists, criminals, are walking in. Let's also be clear. The 1 million Trudeau plans to bring in the next 3 years does not include all these illegals swamping us. You may as well double that rate.

I can think of something else to get rid of that would solve the problem to. Now getting back to the actual thread, it has nothing to do with whether specific posters want to piss on Israel for existing as a Jewish state.

Yes grow up. Erase the childish remark re. Charles Anthony who has censored me as much as you and stop writing me using this thread. Grow up and stop writing childish remarks and get over yourself.

I addressed all 3 of Hot's responses to me directly and he then responded to those responses changing the subject stating the above as his introduction. That reminds me. I miss Rodney Dangerfield because he would remind me, If it were not for pick pockets he'd have no sex life at all.

I seem to notice that no matter what the thread these days, I keep seeing a tse tse fly show up singing: "blame America". Never mind the topic of the thread, just throw in a blame America comment. Its a one size fits all approach. So for example when Chinese or Indians migrate its not because of water shortages. When there is a huge migration of Africans its not because of water shortage creating wide spread famine. Its the fault of the US. If Trudeau allows illegal migrants to make a mockery of Canadian immigration law, its America's fault. If Syria has a civil war generating refugees, its America's fault. So this brings me to my new rap so what's new do you blame a jew or to be frank blame some Yank well now wait you could blame Kuwait or get all quirky and blame it all on Turkey hey now you could take a stance and piss on France or wouldn't it be grand to blame Finland or blame your diaheria on North Korea and don't make be go on about Lebanon and who can really give a hand to Aghanistan and who could forgo that evil Mexico and do I need to play my Tuba to get you to criticize Cuba and need I get all weighty about that country Haiti and man what about all them mentally ill yah you know they call themselves Brazil oh just fine but what about Leuchenstein now I end this and go but not before blaming it all on Togo