Temagami Scourge

Theo: Here is a fine example of the difference in thought between Aboriginal people and mainstream folks: The above was a post by Argus in the "Immigration" thread. Since he is not discussing Native issues, he lets slip that he views parts of our country as "wasteland". I don't see the land in that fashion...even the high arctic has an incomparable beauty that takes one's breath away, whereas people like Argus merely view it as "wasteland"....until they find diamonds or oil, and then it quickly becomes a "Canadian resource". The bottom line is that people like Argus -and there are many of them in this country- don't appreciate the bounty and beauty this land has to offer, and they treat it as such. I don't want to pinpoint Argus, but it is attitudes like the one he expressed that allows people to piss in lakes and toss their Tim Horton's cup out the window on a long drive. I respect the land and the water because both elements are life-givers in my faith. The Christian faith suggest domination over the land and water, and does not teach respect of either because they are not "alive" by Christian standards. that will have to change, and if I can do it, then anyone can.

Theo: I never said that Native land meant everyone else out. If I had control of the land, Canadians would be my prime renters. I'd even be willing to sell land, but the land would still have "Native Crown" title attached to it, so that if it was sold to a non-Native, it would be taxed by the Natives, and it wouldn't revert to "Crown" land, like what happened in the U.S. It would mean a complete restructuring of Canadian law. All the land claims that I have worked on get stumped at the "Aboriginal title" concept because the Crown does not have a land holding category called "Aboriginal title". They have fee simple title, land use permits and business development titles, but no Aboriginal title. Many bands don't want reserve land created because that means that the feds are the ultimate owners...and the Natives want to be the ultimate owners (my concept). When I was referring to interference, I was referring to Aboriginal political systems, decision-making powers and the like...not interference in land and water issues. We would have to work together on those because the environment is intertwined in such a way that an impact in one part of a watershed affects the entire watershed, land included.

Betsy: I know full well that you are discussing the Filipino experience, but I purposely took your quote out of context because that's what August was doing with the Native quotes. I know how stupid it is for Filipinos to learn American history, but that is the legacy of American influence on the Philipines. The Philipines had their own history...and a long one at that, but you wouldn't know it if one was reading Spanish or American sources. In both cases, Philipine history doesn't begin until the arrival of Caucasians. That is patently wrong. It is also wrong to compare the American and Canadian Aboriginal experiences. Both were vastly different, and grounded in different points of Caucasian law. However, seeing as how many Canadians think likewise, I guess you can say you come by it honestly. ...and yes, wampum was used by Nations here

Chuck: Are you solely talking about land claims? That is one thing, but there is far more than that that Native people want. Secondly, being individuals, we all have different priorities, and if you take that to involve National identities, then that establishes a whole list of new priorities. For instance, West Coast folks (at least the coastal ones), want fishing rights, some want whaling rights, others want tree harvesting rights, some want religious rights recognized, some want political rights to the fore and so on. but this may have nothing in common with what prairie Nations or Nations living in the Shield want. Confederacy people have a totally different outlook than Algonkian people, who have a different outlook than the Metis or Mik'maq. The Confederacy puts a priority on the Canada/U.S border crossing than many other bands would even consider, or care to consider. Trying to list everything for easy reading would be difficult in the extreme, and lead to confusion on the part of non-Natives since there are representatives of many different Nations here anyway.

I think Chuck A has it right with the second post in. River (surprise, surprise) is making assumptions that everyone else is quick to chime in on. Everyone here is assuming that money is the key issue, and there are indeed natives who feel that money is a cure-all, but that is not quite the case. I can't speak for others, but my interest is in control of the land and waters. Right now, current governments have proven woefully ineffective at looking after the land and water. I would like to see more of both come under Native control, in the same manner that the Crown currently controls lands and water. Secondly, I'd like to see Crown interference in Aboriginal affairs ended, and the Aboriginal people turning to a modern style of Native governance. I know this is a sore spot from some Canadians, but too bad. If a non-native lives on "Native" land, then the Natives will determine how they will participate in political discourse, unless the non-Natives choose to move away. This may not involve voting, or voting rights. If someone cries foul, then I can't think of a better precedent than pointing at the "Township of the Archipelago" created by the rich folks in Georgian Bay, or even in Temagami. In both cases, many Americans are property holders in these areas, and they cannot vote in any Canadian election (and it kills them, from my perspective), so they have no say in how high taxes are raised, or how the land will be subdivided or anything. If rich Americans can still reside here for months at a time -with no political representation- than anyone can do it. As I've long said, I'll be the first native to gladly sign away any special treaty rights or tax exemption in exchange for getting the land back. I wouldn't even need money. Hand over the land and keep your money...no problem by me....

River: Reading a bit much in there, eh River? I thought Enskat was incredibly restrained in his reply, but the idea of crediting a Canadian like Enskat with a thoughtful response would preclude him from the "savageness" of his station, as you thoroughly believe. Actually, Enskat was doing a good job of trying to engage our online community in a meaningful discussion, until folks like Geoof came on with posts like: that sounds a bit provocative, wouldn't you think? Accusing the Natives of not doing anything? Oh...i'm sorry, you, Betsy, Geoff and Kindred et al believe that statements like this reflect the truth....sorry for questioning your underlying assumptions... Actually, it seems to be working quite well right about now. it is more a matter of how sarcasm is presented, and the manner in which I've been doing it has certainly forced people to stop making stupid points...save you, of course (that wasn't sarcasm). You still don't get it, but we'll animate you soon enough. In Indian, a "bannock slap" is another phrase for providing a soothing back rub and buttocks massage. I think NC was misinterpreted, as he really wants to be attentive to the needs of non-native posters. (OK...that was sarcasm again).

August: Part 2 Regardless, the provocation is the best thing on this site...and here August says the non-native posters are acting so "proper": Geoff: According to the above, we Indians are failures...and sarcastic terrorists. Geoffy: (More sarcasm) Yes...Indians have done nothing, which is why we ask questions like this. River: Of course...only agreements between real people ie Caucasians, are legal. treaties are there to be ignored! River: The folks who wrote the Indian Act are long dead, and yet it is still law....hence this question makes so much sense... But what gets me the most are the "facts" that out non-Native brothers and sisters post here. Here are a few examples: Scrib: Can we see some proof that homes have been entered? Where are the robbed tourists? Sahara: Yep...only the Natives are acting badly.... scrib: Actually, the "sale" is the question, but you wouldn't know it here, because it is "already" Canadian land, eh? Geoff: I wonder where these figures came from? They certainly don't jive with my math...$40K per family? Where's is my cut then? I certainly never see that, and I have a card. Maybe its just more bullshit... Geoff: What...signing away the land isn't payment enough? All in all August, I've read this thread and my conclusion is markedly different. I think that Ahni probably put is the best with this gem: boy...she sure got lambasted for making this "threatening" statement. Augie...when you're done with the tunnel vision glasses, send them my way...I want to see how they work. The End.

August: Part 1 Wow...I see that we are selective in our choice of commentary...right to the point of removing items from context. Let's see what the non-Natives write: Betsy: Why not...our current curriculum is all about Caucasian historical personages..but did you miss the inference August? Here's another good one from Betsy: Somehow she thinks Canadian history is reflective of the American experience, so she is grafting something completely different onto what goes on here. I've oft pointed out this error, but you certainly haven't August, and this is elementary. Whereas, I respond like this: Sorry you missed these arguments August. Must be my fault, eh...that big chip weighting me down? (Oops...that's sarcasm! I guess I'm not up to par to argue on these issues because of my enduring sarcasm!) What I'd like to know, August, is why you aren't taking posters to task over recurring misinformation? The Native people here are doing so, but you apparently revel in it. My post above that explains why American history is unsuitable ALSO happens to explain the premise on which treaties were based, and yet we constantly hear this: Riverwind: or Riverwind: or Geoffrey: Why aren't these people on a federal government thread addressing the politicians responsible for the Indian Act? Why must they make the same incorrect point and argue with the Natives? We can't do anything about it. End of Part 1

Of course this didn't happen.......just a BC visitor and six others ........all made up by the media.......in Caledonia B.C. woman accused in Caledonia violence arrested Actually Canuck, this a third separate event in the last hundred days, but if you want to keep on mixing all these events into the same day, then feel free to do so...that hasn't stopped others here from doing the same. go nuts.

This is in reference to post #119 on page 8 of this thread: The Western Standard had quoted one your own people (a legal adviser to the chiefs by the name of Switlo). I doubt she'd just sit by if they'd mis-quoted her. One of the posters here claimed....and seemed to verify the Western Standard article. That, "SUPPORT WAS CALLED IN." And I've been asking the question that no one probably read, hence received no reply at all. I'll ask it again: Support was called in....for what? Why was support needed at all if apparently the elders were showing goodwill gestures by removing the blockades? That goodwill gesture would've undoubtedly diffused any further tensions! The Western Standard had maintained that it was only when this support was called in that violence erupted! The peaceful intention by the elders of this protest was dis-regarded and violated, not by the media....but by the "reinforcement" that came in and those who called for those reinforcements! Heavens to Betsy: I think you are confusing two separate events here Betsy. The "support called in" is in relation to the April OPP raid on the protestors, who were overwhelmed by the police, but got radio calls to friends and family on the reserve, who then rushed down to the protest and moved the OPP back off the site. The Elders called for removing the Hwy. 6 roadblock as a show of good faith in late May, which lasted mere moments because the racist, drunken caledonians set up a blockade and began beating Natives in their cars. this precipitated the fight that we saw on T.V. and the setting up of the blockade again. It also was the moment when the Caledonians changed their tune about the OPP, because they were upset that the OPP block was facing the Caledonian faction and not the Native faction. The reason the OPP were facing the Caledonians is because even they recognized that the Caledonians STARTED IT! Therefore, it appears quite clear that whatever media sources you review are woefully inaccurate, as everything you've stated is, in essence, incorrect in fact. I hope this helps clarify things. But then again, you also refused to believe Enskat's video of drunken Caledonian caucasians throwing rocks and making insults at Native people, so it is obvious that the truth matters little in your world. I understand. that is the canadian way...

Kindred: Who wants to discourse with someone who already feels that Natives are inherently lazy, and whites are inherently industrious? We can't convince you of anything because you've already been programmed...all that is left is to point our your errors in assumption about Native people. No...let me clarify. You are not living on government assistance, but your province is. My taxes pay for your provinces' upkeep, because your taxes can't. Hence, I pay indirectly for your livelihood. You can work all you want, but I'm still bankrolling your services. You can move here to Ontario, if that would make you feel better, but we have lots of people from all over the world living here, so you might feel better living in alberta. It, too, is a "have" province, and it would be much more "monochromatic" for your tastes. Ooops.....looks like another lost soul has been taken in by the greqt media machine. I guess word hasn't made it as far as B.C. yet that the boycott Six Nations people have put on racist Caledonia is affecting business more than the Caledonians expected. Six Nations folks aren't using the banks, or going to Zehr's. or going to Canadian Tire and dozens of other businesses in town anymore...They don't like being accosted because of their skin colour, and I can't blame them. ..and yet the mainstream media talks of the terrible suffering Caledonians are going through! Oh...how terrible it is for those drunken Caledonians to spend all hours of the night throwing rocks, shooting fireworks and hurling insults at Natives....I can imagine the lack of sleep those poor, poor Caledonians face, being busy at all hours of the night. the folks at Six Nations were doing nothing other than inconveniencing some builders, and their staff, at Douglas Creek. Then the OPP struck first and tried to muscle the Natives out, so the native expanded their blockade by about 200 yards to incorporate Hwy. 6. since then, Caledonians have been whining and, quite frankly, lying about the torture they endure. I've spent enough time in the area to know this is bullshit, as have many Caledoanians who raise their eyebrows at their neighbours and wonder what "harm" has come to them. When the natives took off the blockade on Hwy. 6, it was the bad caledonians who decided to continue their blockade, and started beating on Natives walking to Tim Horton's. ...and yet it's Caledonia that suffers this unbearable Calvary.....oh...boohoo.... somehow Kindred, I get the impression that this is exactly what you want. I'd rather see Canada abide by its own laws, but the Crown rarely does it, with little complaint from Canadians in general. I haven't seen nor heard of anyone from Six Nations entering a Caledonian home, unless it's their own (Yes Kindred, there are people from Six Nations who own homes in Caledonia and get threatened by their neighbours for being Indian...but I see you don't know nor care for those people...). Can we see some proof of this accusation? Hostage-taking? What hostages...where? Even at the height of the protest, you could get all over Caledonia, and I don't recall the Natives grabbing anyone and making them a hostage, so would you mind giving us the names of these hostages?

Betsy: I can't understand it. you've been coming to this thread for how long and you still have no clue about the Indian Act. How can you ignore specific Canadian legislation that ensure that status Indians do not get the same treatment as "all" Canadians? Give up on this "equality" crap. There is no equality with this Act, so take some time to learn Canadian history, please. It's starting to become embarassing because you are one of the better writers on these threads, but you can't comprehend legal fact. On second thought, you seem to be in good company here...

Kindred re: post #237 " ?"Here..I'll explain it in the most simplistic terms I know: I live off-reserve in Ontario, so I am a taxpayer. I live in what is called a "have" province, in that my province kicks in untold billions of dollars into the federal coffers, so that the federal government can take my money and send it to the "have not" provinces like yours- British Columbia. This being fact, you get on here and gripe about your tax dollars supporting "lazy" Indians, when this Indian (me) has to pay his tax dollars to bankroll your province and ensure the upkeep of the services you enjoy. Hence the irony of it all...that a whiny belly-acher like you has to be supported by one of the lazy Indians you so loath. some may think it amusing, but I think it insulting. Now, having taken the time to teach you this little lesson in basic Canadian civics, the least you can do is offer me thanks for the tax money I spend to keep you driving around on good roads, or support your health care, or whatever it is that your province needs my money for. Oh...you work ...well. let's get out an award, or are you trying to tell me that I don't because of my race? I like how people like you love to say that, when here in Toronto, almost every homeless person sacked out on the street is Caucasian. How 'bout we trade Kindred? I'll send you a bunch of homeless Caucasians, and you can send me some homeless Natives so we can feel at home? ? Well, read some of the posts here by my native brother's and sister's and you can feel the pride emanating from their beliefs and experiences. Of course, you call it "terrorism", but we've learned that whenever we dare stand up for ourselves, our non-Native neighbours can't handle it. They prefer that we remain in our place, but that isn't our style... I already explained it earlier in basic english in the hope that you'll understand. If you need flash cards, just write and I'll try to accomodate you. I apologize that you never learned proper comprehension, but I blame that on the school system that taught you, not on you yourself. Why...you haven't? It appears that you are the one with the problem with believing that you need to care for the Natives. I'm the one with the problem that my tax dollars goes to support your province through transfer payments, and you don't have the ability to comprehend that. I also know a good white person. His name is Bob. I know another one whose name is Jim, and a decent black lady named Joan. don't give us this "I know Indians" because you know shit about Caledonia, whereas I actually go there and bother to talk to people in the firsthand. You can stick to crying about fish harvesting or something you may have some knowledge on. Me too. That's why I'm standing up for my rights and it's driving the priviledged Caucasians batty for not just staying in my place. Of course...because we all know that Natives don't work...not even Len Marchand, whoever he is... Hey enskat, gc and NC...don't you notice how people like kindred make this point, and yet forget to follow it through to its logical conclusion that the doctors, pharmacists, pharmaceutical companies, boards of education, lumber suppliers and all the other non-Native people and businesses who sell Health, Housing and Education services to Native people see the majority of the money, whereas the natives actually don't? How come some Canadians don't understand basic economics? Wow...are you sure you even know white people? The poor whites and their activist friends that protest at the provincial parliament buildings here in Toronto certainly believe that they are owed housing. I don't think their intrinsic "whiteness" automatically means otherwise, but this comment certainly makes me wonder about your intellectual capabilities. Earlier, you said that we are all equal, and now you are telling me that white people naturally think of supporting themselves while Natives don't. hummm? equal, eh? Ok...maybe I'm just dense, but does anyone else not understand this question? Can these be two separate thoughts spliced together by nothing in particular? However, I do see the attempt at humour by referring to residential schools at residentail, considering all the butt rape that the priests and reverends committed on the native children in those schools. Actually, the problem is more that the Natives did sign agreements, like the Haldimand Tract. Having a legal basis for a defined plot of land is creating all kinds of issues for the province and the Feds. The unfortunate point is that only now are rank and file Canadians are aware that the land on six miles on either side of the Grand is under question. Europeans didn't spring from the dirt in europe, and yet we acknowledge Europe as their homeland. I guess we should just all go back to Africa.... This is funny...someone who has exhibited no knowledge of Canadian law, nor of Canada's legal relationship with Natives is trying to say that someone else is "not" Canadian!? Well, if being Canadian means living in utter ignorance, then you certainly have a lock on being Canadian, Kindred. I don't think I could "un-learn" enough to get down to your level.

Kindred re: post #235 Why, because you cited examples from widely divergent areas and decided to apply them to Caledonia? Did you think that the Six nations alreadt adhered to the Christian tradition by time they moved onto the Haldimand tract in the 1700's, and that they buried their people in family plots like their pioneer neighbours did? Did you also think that some of those pioneers removed headstones and the like to hide native claims to the land in the last couple of hundred years? No...I doubt it. In typical Canadian fashion, you assume that the burial rites of some Native Nations are somehow applicable to every Native nation across Canada? Usuing your rationale for First Nations, I guess I can say that you celebrate le Bon fete with the rest of caucasian Quesbec because of your shared European heritage.

Pocket: Monty and Kindred are thousands of miles away and threatening Natives in general. Monty wanted to shoot any Native in Regina. I'm not going out of my way looking for "any" white to beat on solely because they are "white", like the other two who are willing to threaten any Indian. I'm running a food donation into Douglas creek, and if someone tries come on to me while I'm doing that, then I am more than willing to defend myself at their peril. That is the difference. I'm not out hunting white people because of skin color, as the others have expressed a willingness to do to Natives in general, but defending myself in the worst case scenario, which I'm going to do my best to avoid. However, you make a good point in that many non-Natives are getting a misrepresentation of what is occuring at Caledonia. Having been there, I can say that the Natives have maintained their composure to a far greater degree than the Caledonains. The Caledonians have proven themselves provocative, thuggish drunks, and yet the mainstream media portrays matters exactly opposite. It goes back to my point that the Six Nations people are readying an archaeological dig, while their occidental "neighbours" are crying that the Natives are building bunkers! clearly, the media is influencing you into believeing that the Caledonians are hard done by, when the reality is that they are the ones who've done all the shooting, the majority of the rock-throwing, and only now are we finding out that no one definitvely knows who drove a car into the transformer, although the Natives took the blame.

Oh give us a break kindred...now bands are different across Canada, but the same, but different....blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately for you, that point has been made time and again by the Native posters here because some of our occidental peers try topaint us with the same brush. Well look at it this way...I'm from Ontario, and I already know that each provinces' outlook is different, whether you're native or not. The bottom line is that you ride my coatails on my taxes, and you have the unmitigated gall to maintain that all Natives are good-for-nothing welfare bums. Look who's talking, Mr. Have not. " . "Yeah right....Have you seen some caucasian people's homes in Cochrane, or Geraldton, or Hearst? They sound just like the Indian homes you describe. Why not save this for the next klan rally...they feed into these stereotypes, but not us...we know better. " . "Oh...let's all be equal...let's all be the same...Give me a friggin' break buddy. You can't even refer to us as Canadians, so how truly equal are we? You trying to tell me that we are equal is like challenging me to a 100 yard dash, with you getting a 95 yard headstart...yeah...real "equal" now that the Crown has most of us resigned to poverty because of your friggin' laws. Remember, the Indian Act applies to me, not you. . Yeah right!!!! Rape generation after generation of native kids and turn them into whores or alcoholics, and then blame them....why would you do that Kindred? Remember, you leave me to deal with the detritus from residential school, not you, so quit your whining about working so hard....do you think none of us do? how can you...natives are different from province to province, but they are the same, but different, but the same.... . Yeah, well who's law is it going to be...yours or mine? So far, yours has let people like Karla homolka go free, and let murderers off after a year. Why not try Native law...it can't be worse than yours. Oh great...more of the "Well, I know an Indian" crap. Well guess what, I know white people. So what. Well, after reading what you've written so far, I can tell that you've either read the Coles notes treaty version, or a trained monkey read the treaties to you in ASL. Come back once you have a more thorough grasp of Canadian law and history and we'll talk more. well what do you think? Did reserves just "pop-up"? What kind of stupid comment is that? They get sweet jack nothing. Unlike every other ethnic group in Canada, no one has a legal relationship defined by Canadian law like native people do...not Norwegians, Scots, Jamaicans or Afghans. Once the government signs a legal agreement recognizing them and spelling out their rights, then they can claim anything they want. That , my boy, is how the law operates in this land. now just thank me and my taxes for your livelihood and upkeep.

I don't care about harper attending a hockey game, but I do want to point out that this is the very best line i've seen here in a long, long time: .Now that is funny! damn funny! thanx NC.

Hey guys...here is a good Caledonian joke (told to me by a Caledonian, nonetheless!) This Caledonian is getting married, so on his wedding night, his father calls him aside and says: "Son, here are the keys to the house on the back forty. consider that your wedding gift from me and Ma." The groom replies: "Aw Dad...what a great gift!" The father winks at him and says "Well son, you enjoy this, your wedding night". The father says good night to his boy and his new daughter-in-law, and goes upstairs to bed with his wife. an hour later, the father hears someone come thumping into his house, so he grabs his shotgun and goes downstairs to see who's there. He meets his son in the kitchen. His son is sitting at the kitchen table, all covered in blood. The father is alarmed and blurts our "Son...son...what happened? Where's your bride?" The son replies "Well Daddy...I shot her", "you shot her?" repliese the father. "Yes daddy, I shot her!". "but why'd you shoot her son? the father asks. "Well daddy...she was a virgin!" the son says. "A virgin!" the father replies. "Yes Daddy, a virgin. I figured out that if she wasn't good enough for her own family, then she ain't good enough for ours!"

GC, NC, Enskat: I just read Kindred's post and had a good laugh. I'm certain that he (or she) is another one of those "tough" people -like Montgomery Burns- that can threaten real good in front of a keyboard. You sure set him straight GC! A well-written and concise response. In fact, you gave him a written bitch-slap, which is a rare feat indeed on this site. Mac

What fools those Caledonians are. Some of the Six Nations people brought in equipment to clear topsoil to start an arcaheological dig at Douglas Creek. Six Nations people have long maintained that there were people buried on the site, so they have a team of archaeologists checking the area closest to the bypass. The next thing you know, caledonians are screaming to the media that the Natives are building bunkers. What fools. If they spent less time having sex with their family members, then they'd probably wouldn't be so stupid. Unfortunately, the town is becoming an embarrassing laughingstock to the rest of Canada, however, i'm of the opinion that we are seeing a virulent form of racism that exists in many occidentals in this country. I see it here often enough, and what makes it worse is that people like Betsy are ready to agree with the occidentals without a hint of history. The funniest bit is that some of our occidental peers here whine about how Natives should "obey the law", and then they turn around and refuse to accept Canadian law when it is applied to Aboriginal people, like in the treaties and other constitutionally-recognized Canadian law. However, too many people are unknowledgeable with Canadian law, and it always seems to be occidental people!? anyway, I'm still grateful to Enskat for posting those videos of Caledonian thugs throwing rocks and drinking liquor. I'm equally proud of the Six Nation's folks who hold their tongues and whose steely reslove ensures that no more fighting occurs, even though the racist filth are screaming racial epithets at the protestors. I do feel badly for those good people who are embarrassed by the Caledonian's activities. I'm also proud of one of my people who lives in Caledonia, and who flies his Confederacy flag from the pine tree in his front yard. The guy has his occidental neighbours threatening him all the time, but he stands his ground by himself...and like the cowards those Caledonians are, they do nothing unless they are in a group. See them one-on-one, like in Brantford, and they run away. typical. I'm heading down tomorrow to drop off donated food at the protest site. I'd like to see one of those Caledonians try to get tough with me, because they'd be bitch-slapped before they could say "buy my sister". I'm glad that there are actually people here who go down to the protest and stand up to be counted.

I still think the main point is that the government bends over backwards for Caledonians by handing out large sums to homeowners for their "troubles" i.e. listening to people insult each other at night; after only a hundred days, and yet the Crown waits over 50 years to give those few Aboriginal survivors of residential school approximately $7500 each on average for suffering rape, physical beatings and all manner of abuse. To many of us...it certainly pays to be Caucasian in this country. You get a tiny bit inconvenienced and you get a cool million, whereas we Indians have to wait to get raped and beaten to get less than ten grand....if we make it past the serial killers and pig farmers. Oh Canada.

BD: ? Because they were miserably tortured in a deliberately fiendish manner, over a matter of days, whereas most of the soldiers usually KIA go quickly by IED. Their manner of death trancends any norms, and that may become an excuse to kill Iraqi's out-of-hand for many U.S. soldiers. Sad as it is, Haditha all of a sudden isn't that bad since this situation occured.

Native Charm: Cripes, you need look no farther than Caledonia on any given night to see the impact drink has had on Caucasian youth in this country. They contnue to prove themselves to be brutish and law brealing...even moreso than the Natives, who do little more than shout insults back. Also, since the "camera" fight, the native side has been quiet, and yet it is the Caledonia side that continues to be provocative. too bad the mainstream media is putting the spin on. We never hear how poorly Caledonians are acting. But what the heck...this is Canada and things haven't changed much.

Happy National Aboriginal Day!

The relative decline in the success of some immigrant groups compared to the Canadian population does not explain why natives are not able to do better with the benefits they already have. I see you forgot this part of the same post: Must be that renowned selective thinking...