Temagami Scourge

"Just think, the liberals of all people questioning someone's integrity. Imagine, Joe Volpe of all people, doing the questioning. Note though that the Liberals never got around to create the office themselves - hmmmm " Excellent scrib! You've come back to the fold. I'm impressed that you've shown your adult side. Keep up the good work! TS

Good morning Gerald! It is wonderful to hear another voice working on behalf of the people to explain history as it actually occured. I've explained things innumerable times here only to be cast as a racist (I keep asking folks to go over this thread and pull out my "racist" sayings, but funnily enough, no one has actually done so, it is just easier for them to make false accusations.) Any way, I'm heading over the the blockade in a couple of hours. A cousin of mine flew in from the coast, and he is itching to get to the blockade and spend a relief night. I'm going to deliver food and water. The Blockaders have actually been asking for baloney (EHNNNNNN!!!!!), so I'll by a bulk pack here in Toronto and take it down. I understand you are new here, so please enjoy your time posting. I only came here because none of the early posters on this site could stop the "lazy, blood-sucking-from-the-taxpayer" rhetoric, or they were actually complaining on how Native people oppress them! Can you believe it!? There is one dude called Riverend who thinks that Residential schools were like year-long holiday camps and doesn't believe the extent of the abuse...you know "See no Evil, Evil never Happened". You'll also note that some posters have taken exception to my sarcasm, but I simply do that because you can't say anything positive about Anishnabek or Ohnkweon:weh without getting a chorus of stereotypical insults indicting every Native. Enjoy, I'll try to get back online sometime this evening from my sister's house on Six Nations.

Scrib: Instead of rehashing personal attacks, why not stick to the topic at hand and discuss your thoughts on Morgan's failed appointment with the Appoinments commission? We don't need people like you constantly trying to drag the rest of us down to your level. I've made an effort to overcome, so I can't see why you are unable to. Temagami.

Yo, Yo, Yo G: The makeup of the commitee makes me wonder if there weren't some sort of deal made in advance. You've got the Tory, the Liberal, the Muslim minority guy (NDP) and the Quebec Francophone. Coincidence? Ahh...I can almost hear those little wheels in your head turning away as your brain gets overwashed by an idea! However, I think you think wrong, and I'll tell you why. I find that folks from many parts of the world -not just Jamaicans and Vietnamese or Cambodians like Morgan maintains- have rather rough edges depending on the culture from which they originate. When I say that, I mean that they are used to right-wing ideologies and harsh punishments ie. public hangings, beheadings etc. In this case, and I don't know the man, but Mr. Khosrowshahi may have some of these rightist leanings because he is used to a much more virulent form of thought and justice by coming from Iran. (note : How do I know he is Iranian? I don't for certain, but the spelling of the name is Iranian, so I'm making that assumption...I used to work as an Immigration Enforcement Officer after getting out of the military, so I learned enough not to refer to people as "Muslim" or "Islamic" like others of ignorance have a habit of doing) And maybe the opposition broke their word in order to score some cheap political points and that was what enraged Harper? Although you make an interesting conspiracy, I can't see how a fractured opposition could keep together for something as small as this affair. If the opposition was that keen on working together, wouldn't we still have a Liberal minority government supported by the NDP. Why would both parties wait til they're in opposition before making a play like this? You haven't been giving tip-offs to the FBI about Hoffa lately, have you Argoose?

Argoose: Your statements about the whites of Caledonia certainly qualify even by my standards, I beg to differ. I spoke of Caledonians in general, mentioned their drunken behaviour and the racist comments they make while they are under the influence of liquid courage. None of that seems racist to me, but I can't get dissuade you from your method of interpretation. however, by your reasoning, I can't comment on the drunken rage of Oiler's fans after the series-winning game the other night, because that would mean that I'm racist towards Edmontonians. much less by the hairtrigger standards you are using here. Oh no, you are going to accuse me of being racist towards Edmontonians because some got out of hand and plundered downtown stores...in a drunken rampage! Tell me this Argoose, would I be racist if I started a thread that said : "Edmonton Wins Division! Celebration spoiled as Rioters run rampant in downtown!", and underscored it by saying: Why doesn't the laws apply to Edmontonians?

Aout: Temagami, amongst your various assertions, contradictions and blustering language, I'll pick this one (since it also is connected to the thread title). Ok...now this is an amusing statement.... Gwyn Morgan was one among four commissioners proposed to this commission. The other three were Roy MacLaren (formerly a senior, federal Liberal cabinet minister), Hassan Khosrowshahi and Jacqueline Boutet (whom Liberal David Collenette found fit to name to the Board of Via Rail). This strikes me as a mixed, competent group that engages the opposition Although it sounds like you make a good point, to me, the difference between these people and Morgan is that they haven't said anything that can be challenged publically, therefore why would they present an issue? I hope they bring non-partisan sense to the appointments commission, but that's a tough sell considering that we now live in a post-David Emerson world. anything can go.

Nocrap: I think I'm going to really like reading your posts Thanks for the compliment. ... hope you stick around for awhile and not be scared off by right-wing rants. if anything, I appear to be the one that's disturbing them . I think the reason for this is that I'm not as far left as they assume, but nor am I as far left as others assume. The one thing I do do is treat others with respect as long as they see fit to do likewise, and unfortunately, many people prefer to hurl insults instead of sticking to the argument.

Shoopster: You said that you posted something just to "piss me off" Yep. You decided to misrepresent half of what I said, and then ignored the rest. That pisses me off, so I gave you a written bitch-slap. If it hurt that much, then I'm sorry for hurting your feelings and I won't do it again. However, I expect the same standard from you, so make my quotes contextual and I'd gladly debate with you. Until you learn proper written presentation, don't be surprised if people get pissed at you. plus you antagonize Canuck E Stan and Argus? See what I mean? On another thread, Chuck came out of the blue and hurled personal insults at me. I met fire with fire, and yet you'd protect him ? To me, you are taking sides and setting up the battlelines, so how do you expect me to react to childish behaviour like that? What is the motivation for such childish behaviour? good question. I have no idea why Chuck and his ilk would do stuff like that, but at least I've stopped until someone wants to have at me again. This is freaking outrageous? Why should this guy be able to get away with so flagrantly violating the rules ? Buddy...I have a thread full of examples where your buddies go on and on about Natives being criminals, being lazy, freeloading off of Canadians blah, blah, blah. Where were you when that was occuring? I didn't see you post in there saying that maybe that only some Natives are like that, that maybe generalizations are a bad thing? Unless you believed it as wholeheartedly as the rest of your buddies? Well, now is your chance to prove me wrong. In ending, the one critical point is that Harper is acting like a whiny-baby, and continues to do so over the Morgan episode. Harper's downfall is that he is refusing to engage the opposition. I was of the impression -even if I didn't vote for him- that if he is truly honest about a different form of governing, then we'd see non-partisan committees discussing and making recommendations on a plethora of National issues...and clearly we are not. In the worst case, Harper likes to blame the previous government for everything, and blaming others is not a cornerstone of effective leadership.

Argoose: TS: What do you know about our military? Argo: Quite a bit, actually. TS: I'm actually talking military, not knowing how to surrender in a dozen different languages. TS: We should be in Darfur as well as Afghanistan! Argo: I find what is happening in Darfur distressing. But we really don't have the ability to go in there ourselves. TS: No, we need an allied force. We piggyback on allied equipment, and they use us to project strength. I don't accept excuses when this should be a multinational exercise. Argo: Are you forgetting, or do you even know, that we don't have any helicopters? We're getting around in Afghanistan only through the good-will of the US, Britian and other allied militaries. What did I just say? We need to cooperate with our allies. They have equipment we don't and vice versa. It's cheaper to piggyback than to make outright purchases and training investments. and don't give me this crap about the "goodwill" of our allies. We are taking the bullets and doing the tough jobs. they are happy to drive and fly us around because they don't take the casulties. I thought you said you knew something about the military? TS: Buck up now boy, and take it like a man! don't hide behind the "Left" as a foil, but just say that we need to project our power into areas where we need to. TS: Actually, this statement still applies. You are trying to make excuses for us to not go to Darfur and apologies for what we are doing in Afghanistan. As I said, just buck up, roll up your sleeves and get to work. Perhaps, but we do not have any ability to project what little power we have. Perhaps, if Harper is in power for a while, and follows through on promises to buy more long range air and sea transport, and to expand the size of the military, we might one day enjoy that ability. I disagree. Harper is a hypocrite and had proven that time and again already. He'll leave the military out to dry like everyone else. Quit being a dupe and grow a mind of your own...or better yet, be like me and criticize all parties until they get it right, and praise them when they do. TS: We embarrassed ourselves in Rwanda, and I for one don't want to see that happen gain, and nor do i think other Canadians want to see an abject failure, regardless of political stripe. Argo: We had very few people there, and they were taking orders from the UN. TS: Quit with the excuses. We could have done something unilaterally, or got at least the Belgians, French and local African nations to contribute more, or create a cease-fire line. Argo: Gee. And if I had the slightest hint of a fragment of respect for you I might even care. TS: What's this? Are you taking written redundancy lessons mixed in with advanced verbosity?

gc: Good point, and I apologize for my part in this thread getting out of hand. I think that Harper's team is playing excellent politics right now, and totally taking advantage of the fumbling and leaderless Liberals. However, I still don't trust Harper to support him. You see people like Vellacott and now Morgan regurgitating that old Reform/Alliance perspective, and it makes you wonder just how much Harper is suppressing his team. But still, these machinations don't make up for the Emerson/fortier gaffe. That will come back time and again as the first betrayal.

Argoose: So...have you found anything racist I've written yet? Oh yeah, and please don't confuse my standing up to your statements on Natives as being racist. I don't think being an "uppity Indian" is a hate crime, even though you might think so. Remember, my taxes put you through school! Use that noggin o' yours!

Argoose: Yes, well, you've made enough, haven't you . Please...go find me one racist statement I've made...and don't make it up. Even I would like to know what racist venom I've spewed! Oh...and you are right, it was the public appointments commission. I stand corrected.

"....the forces of political correctness and liberal intolerance hve won out ." I can't wait until the forces of proper spelling win out.

LC: I find it amazing how easy it is to be painted a racist & a bigot in this pathetic left wing world. I find it amazing how easy morons can make racist statements and throw their hands up in the air and blame political correctness for their idiocy. I find it even more amazing at how many Right-wing lapdogs these morons generate to come to their defence by trying to obfuscate the argument. I read an article recently in the western standard The Western standard? So...how is the 21st Century's version of "Der Speigel" doing? which basically said, to become left wing the only qualifications you need is ignorance to the truth. Oh...I tend to think that works both ways. There are many a good moron on the left as on the right. I deal with both all the time, and it's almost funny to see how similar they act, but they can't see it themselves. "I know this sounds harsh, but... if this was a headline on CBC," Gwyn Morgan, former CEO of Encana Corp, has been nominated by Stephen Harper to chair the public appointments commission. With this job comes the responsibility of overseeing public appointments and bringing down punishment to Jamaican gangs and strip poor single mothers of their welfare status.", wouldn't you be inclined to be against him and the Conservatives ??" Actually, that is one of the most singularly retarded points I've heard yet...and retarded isn't a politically correct term! Buddy, if Harper had took Morgan aside months ago and told him that, if he was elected PM, he'd get him in as the Ethics Commish, as long as he kept his opinions to himself (which Harper is doing with all the CPC MP's as we speak) then Morgan wouldn't have laid himself open to an attack on his record. If an unopinionated guy who used to run EnCana was put into the Ethics job, then it would be tough to say no. But a guy who holds a speech at the Fraser and fumbles his explanation about racial profiling looks alot better as a businessman than as a civil servant. Likewise, I don't like this dollar-a-year crap. We should pay whoever goes in an appropriate salary for the role they play. I don't like being given the impression that this guy is "deigning us" with his presence. that's insulting, but you don't seem to mind. now this is a drastic comment, but it's no worse than branding him for being a racist, like our media has. And because they called him a racist, with the slick job pointing out his connection to "bigoil"(evil people THEY are), the common public automatically dislikes him, Only because of media spin!! Buddy, this too is a bunch of bullcrap. Some media printed his full speech, and I thought it was even worse than the single-paragraph excerpt from yesterday. The guy might not be a racist, but he sure doesn't know how to say it without painting whiole groups of people as inveterate criminals. Heck, I know that there are plenty of Jamaican criminals, but I also know that the majority of Jamaican-Canadians are anything but. Morgan doesn't. in fact, YOU SHOW ME FROM HIS FULL SPEECH WHERE HE DISCERNS BETWEEN JAMAICANS AS CRIMINALS AND JAMAICANS AS CANADIANS, Mr. "I'm-amazed-at-left-wingers". If they actually got to know Gwyn Morgan, they would find out he was Pro Kyoto, very environmentally minded, and quite an accomplished man hey...I know Ahenakew. he's a nice guy. Did a lot for Native folks. and he's still an embarrassing anti-semite that I no longer want anything to do with. So friggin' what? Morgan fell into the same trap, so he faces the same fate. ...and was willing to serve Canada for one dollar a year!!! I already told you that I'm not fond of this. It sounds condescending. Yet the media tends to leave out the important stuff and just call him a racist(as many of the lefties who have no idea what his job was supposed to be!). Oh blah, blah, blah...whine,whine,whine, cry,cry sniff, sob. If you hate the media so much, then just snuggle up to the next issue of The Western Standard and whistle some cowboy tunes.

Shoopster: We shouldn't stereotype people who collect welfare. Are all of them lazy? No. However, you make the mistake of going to far to understand. *under no circumstances* are they lazy? No I didn't. In my example, I know of deadbeats that went on welfare before giving up a penny to the ex. Read what I said and you'll see what I mean. You want to think that I'm saying that ALL welfare moms aren't lazy and that ALL Jamaicans aren't criminals. That usually happens when you scan something and don't bother to understand it, but you are in good company here, so you come by this "scanning" business honestly. 2. Why would you call Gwyn Morgan my *good buddy*? To piss you off because you defend the guy without understanding what he infers in his speech. If you don't want to be good buddies with Morgan, then I'm sure the buddies who yell racist insults at the Native protestors in Kaledonia would welcome you. You are making the same mistake Naci Sey made Probably, but you are making the same mistake dudes like Argus, Scriblett, Canuck E Fool, Argus1991 and a host of others have assuming that I'm a left-winger. 3. Do you even understand the role Morgan was asked to play? Yep, and its not inconceivable that that people on special programs that are aimed at impoverished Canadians get work for the government in a variety of capacities. What if one of them sees something that goes against departmental policies? What if info they have implicates a Minister? What if the whistleblower has a Jamaican accent? How would Morgan treat this person? We don't know, but seeing what he says about the poor, Jamaicans and indo-Chinese, it makes one wonder. Additonally, it doesn't give Harper any brownie points for unveiling the face of Reform...you remember them guys, eh? they were great at painting everyone with the same, big brush...just like you do!

Shoop: Naci's dead-on right. Morgan blames the poor for being lazy, and thus creating problems for the rest of Canada by being lazy. That is bullshit. In essence, Morgan is doing the same thing that all the other whiners have been doing on the Six Nations thread by castigating ALL natives as lazy and ALL natives are drunks and ALL natives are this and that. Now we hear that ALL Jamaicans are violent, lawless criminals, and that ALL welfare recipients are lazy. But step back for a moment. Do you know any women whose husband's or partners skipped out on them, left them home without a vehicle and with three little kids and, if she is lucky, with a part-time job? Do you know how fast families like this go on welfare? Do you think this woman wants to be on welfare? How do we find the deadbeat if he takes off and simply doesn't leave a forwarding address? What if the deadbeat decides to quit his job before he pays a penny to the ex? We pay for all these people, but under no circumstances would I call that woman lazy. However, your good buddy Gwyn Morgan did in a heartbeat. Good CEO or not, an idiot who can so easily paint entire groups as social evils does not deserve to seat in a seat where he may have to render a judgement where a welfare mom or a Jamaican is a principle figure, and we already know how much he scorns these two groups. It makes it much easier to say that you have to look and act like him to get a successful judgement. Government and business are two separate animals, and Morgan is finding that out now.

Ok...there was no chance of this being a friendly-fire incident. The media are reporting an RPG, so it is fortunate that only one person was KIA, as an RPG going through a LAV usually creates casualties among everyone in the vehicle. Still, that must have been a once-in-a-lifetime shot for the enemy. Those RPG's aren't that accurate, and you'd have to be within fifty yards to get off a good penetration shot. However, these Taliban don't like to get within fifty yards of a Western enemy to make a shot...they like to keep as much room between them and the Yankees, Canadians, Brits or Aussies because they know that western killing zone can extend with accuracy for a long distance...even in the mountains.

I would like to know how the Captain was killed, given the recent issues with friendly fire. From what I know, a FOO (Forward Observation Officer) is in an LAV following close to the CO's LAV, and handling fire direction calls/requests to arty and planes on tap. This means that the Captain's LAV would (should) have been in the middle of a group of armoured vehicles, acting like a "quarterback" for all the units involved. If she left the vehicle, then that is another story, as anything can go in that circumstance. However, I can't see an FOO removing themselves from visual contact with the CO in a firefight. As I understand, she was the sole casualty in this event, so I hope this isn't a case where some Taliban got off a lucky shot. From her press coverage, this soldier was a true pro, and that impresses me. It sounds like we lost a good one.

Argus: This is the real reason for the left's hatred of the Afghanistan mission. Somehow, they have it in their tiny heads that it means we're allied military with the great satan. What the hell do you know about our military? Everything you mention in this post is partisan crap. We should be in Darfur as well as Afghanistan! Political stripe is meaningless during times like these, and yet its your kind that enjoys using our hard-fighting troops as political footballs for your own ends. Buck up now boy, and take it like a man! don't hide behind the "Left" as a foil, but just say that we need to project our power into areas where we need to. We embarrassed ourselves in Rwanda, and I for one don't want to see that happen again, and nor do i think other Canadians want to see an abject failure, regardless of political stripe. Likewise, you wax philosophic about Geyn Morgan on another thread, and here you use people of colour to crack jokes over: "...Besides, there's Black people. It's much more politically correct to die on behalf of Black people than on behalf of brown people, and probably more votes in it for socialists. I bet Jack would be on the first plane to Darfur to pose with the troops (pictures to show up in every riding with large Black populations in the Toronto area the next week)." my god...what kind of sad, racist bastard are you? Don't you realize that there are "black" and "brown" soldiers fighting over in Afghanistan for you, so you can sit here content to joke about their families? Is Layton going to rush straight to Ainsworth Dyer's father's house for a photo-op? The only thing that saddens me is that you poor attempts at humour belittle the memory of decent Canadians who gave their lives in the service.

I'm glad our government is staying the course for two more years. I never want to see afghanistan go back to the Taliban days because we know that makes the world unsafe when a country supports terrorism. however, I'm still no supporter of Harper. Afghanistan was a liberal initiative on which Harper is pleased to ride the coattails of. I don't trust the guy because he was willing to put us in Iraq, which is a made-up war and doing nothing except to act as a training ground for future terrorists...who are beginning to apply their skills in Afghanistan now. If Harper was half a man, we'd be in Darfur now too. Actually, the liberals should shoulder some of the blame because we should have been in there long ago, stopping the Janjaweed militia from their murderous ways, but I see no excuse to not go. I'd throw in an extra few bucks in taxes if we can get a combat unit flown in on an Allied transport plane.

Argoose: "The point is there are a far, far, far higher number of violent street criminals of Jamaican ethnicity than there should be given their numbers." Yes...and this in a city where the murder rate is dropping every year. So, according to you and Morgan, Jamaicans are natural-born killers flooding the streets of T.O. in blood with fewer deaths each year! gimme a break. You yourself know how the media likes to propagate matters beyond reality, and you should know that this is a case where things are blown out of porportion....and you defend it? But to get back to Morgan, the Star printed Morgan's entire speech from the Fraser Institute, and it sounds worse than what I initially expected! Not only is it typical "angry old Whiteman" talk, but the gist of what he says when he is singling out people is that the majority of Canadians ie. those who aren't like him, are lazy whiners seeking a handout. Now, I work and pay taxes, and I believe that there are better and smarter methods of taxation, but damned if because I hold some socialist views that I'm an automatic welfare beggar! He gives us his bullshit Grasshopper story about the Canadian grasshopper that lazes around at the expense of everyone else. Has Morgan ever seen or spoke to welfare recipients? No...he just assumes he knows all about them, and that is intrinsically wrong. that is typical Mike Harris. But to focus on Jamaicans, Morgan said this: Here is the root cause they all know, but don't talk about: the vast majority of violent, lawless immigrants come from countries where the culture is dominated by violence and lawlessness. Jamaica has one of the world's highest crime rates driven mainly by the violence between gangs competing for dominance in the Caribbean drug trade I read this again and again, and all I know from the above quote is that Jamaicans are lawless, violent criminals. They are inherently criminal because their culture is dominated by violence and lawlessness. Ergo, Jamaicans in Toronto are bringing this lawlessness and violence with them.. ....which translates into an ever-decreasing homicide rate in this city. nice logic, Argoose. and this guy is supposed to be ethical? Bull crap...he is another example of a right-wing albertan who hasn't got a clue about what he is talking about, but figures he knows alot because he ran a company and his buddy Harper probably tickles him ever now and again.

Stan: Where in heaven's name did any poster or even Morgan himself lump ALL of these different nationalities of people together into bunch of criminals My God lad, can't you read? Go back about seven or eight posts and think of something smarter to say. I can't stand people that are thinking French and writing English. It gets confusing. The only poster that did that was you. See above Do you really think Canadians think like you wish they would? hunh!? Buddy...Canadians haven't thought the way I wish they would my entire life! What would make you think otherwise? Canadians care for their fellow Canadians... Of course, what would make you think I've indicated otherwise? ... and what's wrong with stating the truth about criminal groups. Absolutely nothing is wrong with telling the truth about criminal groups. I do object to saying that an entire ethnic group are criminals. Morgan used Jamaicans and Jamaican gangs interchangeably. That tells people that Jamaicans as a whole are potential murderers. Where's your support for bikers like the Hell's Angels? Aren't they being wrongly persecuted? I don't support Bikers in anyway. Why would you think I do? Why do you have a need to insult me? I barely know you. Pretending to be some kind of street wise person only makes you look stupid and you should get your head out of your anus and look around. Hunh? are you kidding buddy? I'm damn glad that I'm way out of the hood. I would not want to let my kids grow up there until they get more police in the area. I'm pissed at Harper for not sending some assistance to GTA police forces in the last budget. He could have set money in a set aside and sent more police in. But even more importantly, I see no reason for you to insult me when i've not done you any harm. I've never communicated with you in any way before, and I'm sorry if my experience upsets you in anyway. There was no harm intended. I just hope that I've treated you with more respect than you've shown me.

Augie: "Did Morgan say or even imply that anywhere? Did he paint an entire group as criminals?" he said this: "Jamaica has one of the world's highest crime rates driven mainly by the violence between gangs competing for dominance in the Caribbean drug trade. Why do we expect different behaviour in Toronto, Ontario, than in Kingston, Jamaica " He could have conveyed the same point by saying "According to law enforcement, I believe the police's estimation that current Jamaican gangs and their spinoffs in cities like Toronto, are replicating the level of violence found in Kingston, Jamaica. to make matter worse, these gangs use the greater population to hide in, while threateing their neighbours into silence." I think that sounds legit without implying that a Jamiacan is a Jamaican is a Jamaican. "BTW, you yourself Temagami have engaged in the "I've got good friends who are [insert Group Here]" when you describe living in Toronto. I have no doubt that you state this to show your legitimate efforts to understand others. Morgan's comment is no different " Buddy, I can see why you'd make the interpretation that you do, but I want to prove that I know what a Jamaican is as compared to a "Caribbean". Morgan can't. He covers his statement about Jamaicans by saying he prays with the "Caribbeans". Well, which Caribbeans is he refering to? There are couple of dozen distinct Nations down there, and I know that there are white Islanders on each island. How can I trust the guy to be in a public position when he says what he has been saying.

August: The guy is white. What was he supposed to say? "Our" churches? Read what I just said to argus above. This is the whole PC thing in a nutshell. Because he said "their", he has committed an unforgiveable sin according to the Gospel of Political Correctness, and now he has been excommunicated by a High Priest of Modern Morality, an urban NDP MP. Again, read what I said above. Particularly the bit about how people can't tell black people from one another, nor Chinese from Vietnamese, Arabs from Peruvians etc. That makes it easier for folks like you, Gwyn Morgan and Argus to condemn an entire identifiable group. Aside from the partisan politics on display, there is a whiff of holier-than-thou, smug hypocrisy in all this. I'm sure there is too. Temogami, you must have a chip on your shoulder the size of Manitoulin Island to be offended by Morgan's choice of words. I'm not offended, I'm astounded. I think the guy is a total fool in the political arena. An Alberta businessman can say anything he wants to whomever he wants, but when he becomes a public servant, he must gain the trust of the people. You can trust him all you want to. I don't. but then again, I don't make it a practice to get together with my buddies and run down Jamaicans. And the sad thing is that in finding offense in his words, you ignore all the far more racist actions around you. The whole political correctness schtick is built on the false premise that a change of language reflects a change of heart. What the hell is this supposed to mean? What far more racist actions around me? I'm certainly not politically correct, but neither am I politically stupid. I fear you would happily support a slick racist who has mastered the PC lingo while denigrating an honest man who hasn't. Buddy, if you are supporting Morgan, than you fit this description of having been taken in by a slick racist. There is nothing racist in Morgan's words ... Pfffffttttt ! what's that sound? August91 getting sucked in by Gwyn Morgan. Political Ottawa is divorced from the rest of the country. well, no argument here.

Argus: I have no doubt that there are Jamaican criminals. I disput Mr. Morgan's because he is not an expert, and yet he could become a person wielding great influence over Canadians and their institutions. What if a whistle-blower just happened to be of Jamaican origin? Will his predisposition towards Jamaicans influence any decision made? Maybe not...but when you come across as giving the impression that you hold Jamiacans in general in ill repute, well that's another story. To me, as a native Canadian, I already see most of the posters here lining up with their badass Jamaican/Vietnamese stories, without any inkling that there might be Jamaicans or Vietnamese who actually don't fit the murderous mold. If you know anything about the GTA, you'd know that the police are stopping as many Jamaicans as they can. Unfortunately, they also stop a lot of decent Jamaicans, Somalians, St. Lucian's, Ghanians, Rwandans and pretty near every type of black person possible. Sometimes things get out of hand and these decent people get shot or beaten by the police, or mis-identified by crime witnesses as criminals. Why does this happen? Because people like Mr. Morgan read news reports in the Globe or National Post about bad Jamiacans, heed the material and procedd not to make any distinctions between Jamaicans, like I can because I actually got to know people's accents and attitudes. yep, people can't tell black folks apart. The also have a hard time distinguishing Vietnamese, Chinese and Koreans from one another. So when Mr. Morgan exercises his right to free speech, then he should know damn well that he will have to defend his words and ideas. Unlike you, I don't stand for mere conjecture and proceed to explain to everyone that you know what happened during the session. I'm confident that, after having run EnCana, he must be a big boy and take care of himself now. But the stupidest thing is blare out that you go to black churches. I'm not stupid. I've argued with enough Canadians to know the old "Oh yeah, well I've got (insert race/culture here) friends!" that I hear when people are trying to cover their tracks. The dude clearly implies that all Jamaicans are black, or all "Caribbeans" are black. Besides, he talks about "Caribbeans" in his repost. That's like me running down the Danish, and then turning around and saying that I go to European churches, so I'm really a nice guy. The bottom line is that as a Canadian, I want people in public leadership that I can trust, and I certainly can't trust a guy that paints an entire group as criminals.