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So you're saying Christ was imitating Jim Jones or Koresh? Not the other way around? Your logic goes that just because Jim Jones and Koresh were literally exploiting the passage from the Bible to suit their agenda of isolating their members from families....your conclusion is that therefore....Christ was a cult leader!

Excerpts from the Letter by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach to Dawkins More.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/rabbi-shmuley-responds-to_b_100275.html

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Where have you been? I thought you're following the discussion. You got lots of catching up to do. Sorry, can't waste time trying to keep you abreast. You're on your own.

Scientific reasons that made Anthony Flew to change his belief: (Excerpt) http://www.imanway.com/en/archive/index.php/t-869.html

http://christiangovernance.ca/news/supreme-court-appeal-on-quebecs-secularist-religion-course I don't know about you....but I don't want religion to be taught in school! That right belongs to parents.

For Harper to be really upset with her -that he doesn't even mention her name - there must be more to this than meets the eye, and I bet Harper just doesn't want to humiliate her any further.

I wonder what election year he's talking about.

Entertainment must be hard to come by for you. I'm glad to be of assistance.

If it's a waste of time debating creationist scientists....can you explain then why he wants to debate bishops and cardinals?? Where's the "common sense" in that?

You'r here wasting your time responding, ain't ya? And you keep coming back!

You'r here wasting your time responding, ain't ya?

Tis true. And politics attract these kind of people like magnet to pins.

I told you. Because of his fame and influence to promote his bigotry against Christianity! That must be one of the reasons how Hitler managed to rise up to power. When someone said boo at his rally - they told him to shut up and stop trolling! TROLL takes on a whole new meaning when someone is bringing up arguments that's hard to rebutt! What I want to know is: why are you guys so worried that I'm refuting Dawkins???

True, we do not want a serial killer's accomplice to work with the youth nor do we want a convicted pedophile to be working in daycares. Because by doing so we could be endangering other people, putting other lives at stake. It's easy for Ignatieff to criticize the "lapse in judgement" of Harper in hiring someone with this past....and yet Ignatieff approved the candidacy of a founder of the White Supremacist movement. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/04/cv-election-harper-carson.html# Which is true, hence I wouldn't fault Ignatieff either for being ignorant about the fact regarding his own MP. After all, he wouldn't be reviewing everybody's application for a security clearance! So what's he saying? He had a lapse in judgement too! So what's he on about being the pot that's calling the kettle black? He is INCONSISTENT!

I'm not sure but I think Layton also brought up Bruce Carson in his campaign....thereby showing that he and Ignatieff are like-minded when it comes to ex-felons. I thought in a democracy, you're accepted back in society after being prosecuted, judged, sentenced, and served the punishment handed down by the court of law.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/bruce-carson-convicted-of-fraud-disclosed-criminal-record-to-pmo-lawyer-119153024.html Ignatieff keeps bringing up Carson in his campaign and his five convictions for fraud. Bruce Carson paid society in full for those crimes. What is Ignatieff saying? An ex-felon does not have a place in society??? Then why are we even trying to rehabilitate felons in prison....providing them with all the necessary tools to integrate them back to society if - according to Ignatieff - they shouldn't be hired simply because of their past crimes? Bruce Carson's first two crimes caused him to be jailed and disbarred. His last three forays with fraud - $4,000 worth at the most I assume - with him being told to CONTNIUE TREATMENT at the ROYAL OTTAWA HOSPITAL showed a man who's struggling with mental/psychological issues. I guess Ignatieff only shows compassion is alien to him. Just like how they smeared and vilified Guergis' in various talk shows with her infamous airport tantrums, Ignatieff is doing the same thing to Bruce Carson.

I notice how CBC and CTV are both gungho in their bias. They're out to help stop the Harper majority. MCNeil from CBC interviewed Guergis and not once did she point out the facts about her own baggage. Guergis commenting why they wouldn't accept her back in the caucus, says "I don't know why..." To any efficient and effective anchorperson, the obvious question from Mcneil should've been..."Do you think this has anything to do with your airport tantrum? With your husband's seeming exploitation of your position?" Nada! Mcneil sacrificed her credibility by obviously not doing her homework, and that is to say the least. if she's not biased, then it's half-baked journalism....sloppy......lazy....superficial....

Well Harper stood by Guergis for the longest time! Amidst relentless clamor from Ignatieff and Layton to fire Guergis after her airport tantrum! See Keepitsimple's links,(thank you Keepitsimple). You seem to be ignoring that fact! Ignatieff/Layton flip-flopped! This flipflopping also questions their view on ethics....no firm ground to stand on. INCONSISTENT! So they speak of trust...well this is a matter of who can you trust! Surely not these two whose words can easily "pivot" (gesturing ala-Ignatieff with my two hands) - gotta love this word pivot - where it suit them! Let me ask you this, Battletoads: How did Harper "toss her under the bus?" Explain please.

What seems to be lost on some of these folks is that I'm not arguing about the details of evolution. There is a thread or two for that I believe. This thread is showing what a big fraud and hypocrite Dawkins (and company) is. Their questionable method tainted science. No wonder some scientists have come out openly to rebuke or criticize him. And please, I don't ask you to take my word for it. I don't make threads like this without any support to my arguments. As the title suggests, they come by video debates, articles and interviews. By the looks of it....I don't see the end in sight. There's so many things yet to come out.

Quote-mining my foot! That's all you cry about. That's a well-known, tired, worn out, auto-defense move by radical atheists! Prove it then that Lewontin did not write what I quoted above regarding Dawkins! If you say I'm quote-mining with that quote I used....then prove it.

Oppositions and media slam Harper for bringing the allegations against Guergis to the RCMP, saying there is no clear evidence. I ask, isn't that the purpose of letting the RCMP investigate on it? Isn't that what investigations is all about....to find out if there is any wrongdoing or crimes committed? Ignatieff and Layton criticize harper for doing an "injustice" to Guergis. What are they on about? Either both are showing early signs of senility....or they're both downright flip-floppers. Either one a reasonable ground for being deemed as incompetent to lead, what more to be PM of a nation. Ignatieff and Layton were demanding for Guergis' head when she threw a tantrum at the airport. Remember that??? AND that was BEFORE the Jaffar scandals came out, and BEFORE we found out Jaffar was using her office blackberry (?) for his own business dealings and personal use. Don't tell me Ignatieff and Layton wasted time looking so angry and indignant, demanding Guergis to resign and pressuring Harper to fire her, only to contradict their own selves and neatly try to portray themselves as Guergis' knights in shining armor! Imagine that...Parliament time wasted just for mere posturing by these two! If they say Harper was in contempt of Parliament....then I say these two surely have such contempt for the public whom they seem to see as so gullible and utterly stupid! RCMP investigations aside, we cannot deny that Guergis has her own baggage. The tantrums alone caused quite an embarassment. What more with everything that came about in connection with Jaffar. Whether Guergis is innocent or not is not the point. It's the optics....and the nagging question that will surely enter everyone's mind wondering whether she's abusing her office, or whether her husband is exploiting her position. If Ignatieff and Layton doesn't understand that, then all the more they don't deserve to lead.

For someone who allegedly doesn't care about Dawkins, you seem to go out of your way to get the discussion away from him....hmmmm But I do care what Dawkins say because of his fame and influence....and I'm focused on him simply because of his bigotry against Christianity.

hah! http://www.origins.org/articles/johnson_unraveling.html

Right on! Numerous frauds and hoaxes came from evolutionists in their desperate attempt to have proof of evolution. Not to mention damning rebukes and insights from scientists.... http://www.origins.org/articles/johnson_unraveling.html Sadly, science had been tainted by these pseudo-scientists who are nothing more than quacks! The following statement says a lot about the credibility of science. They'd willingly kept quiet about it simply because he's on their side against creationist. So the question is....what else did they remain silent about?