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How can I answer when you don't explain your point? All I'm saying is, don't you resurrect any of the rubbish 29 so-called Evidences of Theobold! We're through with Theobold! He's already been ridiculed and refuted - even by some evolutionist scientists! So you keep repeating the mantra of "trilobites." I don't want to go into a guessing game as to what you're on about! Since you're using trilobites as your argument, it's only sensible to expect that the onus is on you to explain what exactly is your argument! So, you say trilobites.... What about them? What's your point? EXPLAIN! Respond accordingly and put your money where your mouth is. Don't make me yell.

Feeling the same too.

Regarding the Doo-wap choir, I'm reminded of a scene from an old Dracula movie starring Bela Lugosi, when he said: "Ahhhh....children of the night. What beautiful music they make....."

Oh, the doo-wap choir are having a concert! They've got a new member....the shriekiest vocalist.

I tend to think it is unconventional, and these days, can be considered a form of child abuse. Washing a mouth with soap is not comparable to that of forcing hot sauce into a child's mouth. For one thing, a child' skin - what more his lips, gums etc., - is more sensitive to that of an adult. Hot sauce can burn. And the same thing too with cold water and hypothermia. But I think laying any charges, what more giving the mother any jail time is taking this too far. Perhaps instead, Mom needs help by attending a workshop on systematic training on effective parenting. A lot of parents are at a loss when it comes to effective disciplining. I had an 8 year old boy in daycare who kept the money that was supposed to be given to the teacher for a field trip, and lied about it. His mom is a young divorced parent who's having a tough time dealing with being divorced and with her 3 children. She told me of this issue and asked me to help. I talked to the boy about what he did and we talked. He acknowledged that what he did was wrong. I got the boy to write lines "I will not steal and tell a lie" or something along that line 100 x (and it had to be in good writing). Until he'd finished writing all 100 lines, he's not allowed to leave his desk, except for meals and washroom breaks. If he doesn't finish by the time he gets picked up by Mom, he'll continue first thing in the morning. The next day I told him to give the money to the teacher and to apologise for what he'd done. I made sure he understood that I definitely want him to apologise. I called the school to follow up if he apologised...and I was told he did.

NOISY CHATTERERS. I don't know. Perhaps this is in their effort to tap into their core...but they exhibit monkey-like behaviours when they get agitated or disturbed by a statement or argument. The same bunch - which I affectionately now refer to as the "Doo-Wap Choir" - come out usually as a group to pelt you with adhominem - much like a naughty monkey at the zoo throws poo at gawkers! Some are not only adhominem....but rather still gibberish. Still hard to decipher.

CONFUSED! Did I mention that already? The New Atheist is an utterly confused individual who doesn't even know where he truly stands. Mind you, confusion is not exclusive to the new atheists.....but the amount of confusion the new atheists suffer from are such that it seems they don't even know when they're coming or going! For samples of tremendous confusion (suffered by the same bunch who exhibits other new atheistic charactyeristics), check out the other boards on Religion - especially the ones that I've created.

You haven't explained about the trilobytes. How come? Uh-oh....I hope this is not Theobold's 29 Evidences being regurgitated again.....we've already dealt with that! Theobold's a goner!

Which part of these are not clear enough for you? You have problems with science supporting the Old Testament. And now, you've also got problems with science supporting the New Testament! Christian my foot! You're a new atheist posing as a Christian on this board! Check out the defining features of the New Atheist on the other topic. Furthermore....your action speaks louder than your words!

#53 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY DISCOVERED THE POOL OF SILOAM, WHERE JESUS HEALED THE BLIND http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6750670/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/archaeologists-identify-traces-miracle-pool/ http://articles.latimes.com/2005/aug/09/science/sci-siloam9

#52 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY FOUND THE POOL OF BETHESDA, WHERE JESUS HEALED THE INVALID http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/pool-of-bethesda-faq.htm John 5:1-15 The Healing at the Pool 1 Some time later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem for one of the Jewish festivals. 2 Now there is in Jerusalem near the Sheep Gate a pool, which in Aramaic is called Bethesda[a] and which is surrounded by five covered colonnades. 3 Here a great number of disabled people used to lie—the blind, the lame, the paralyzed. [4] 5 One who was there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him, “Do you want to get well?” 7 “Sir,” the invalid replied, “I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me.” 8 Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” 9 At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked. The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, 10 and so the Jewish leaders said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat.” 11 But he replied, “The man who made me well said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’ ” 12 So they asked him, “Who is this fellow who told you to pick it up and walk?” 13 The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there. 14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_Bethesda

In an interview, former atheist Anthony Flew explains what finally convinced him to convert. Anthony Flew’s Conversion to Deism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1e4FUhfHiU&NR=1

What do we really know of Richard Dawkins? He is a biologist. But for all his fame, I don't think he even got a nobel. Is he good at it? Well how do we know....when all he talks about is faith, and God, and religion! And all he does it seems is chase after priests, and bishops and cardinals...even creationist, Wendy Wright! Richard Dawkins is not a philosopher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAS0Gcq8Mvo "Philosopher Dr. William Lane Craig speaks on his impression of non-philosopher Richard Dawkins' book The God Delusion." He should go back to his lab!

To you perhaps....and to those who don't see the logic in that! <shaking head> For the record: the Bible is not trying to prove science. But on the other hand, science supports the Bible. Big difference. <shaking head> Oh boy...... ANCIENT BOOK! You're saying STAR TREK NOVEL's been around for thousands of years??? It's an ancient book? And here's my answer to a "vehement" Shwa: Go look it up on Star Trek!

Yooo-hoooo. Hello? Go back to some of the ancient topics posted on this board and see for yourself. So we say that there is no proof for evolution....what's wrong about that? Malice, no. Sarcasm, yes. Why not? The New Atheist give cause for sarcasm! Just look at their code or doctrine... Yet who's being ignorant? Believers of a myth called Frog Prince? Claiming to have logic, and reason? Do you know the 6th commandment of Dawkins? Well - he doesn't follow it. In fact, he s running away from it! New Atheism is a joke! I think the 4 Horsemen found a lucrative way to perpetuate the ka-ching of their bling-bling by duping their base followers - the religion haters/bashers - whom they know will easily swallow hook, line and sinker! Well, we're talking about the New Atheists. The radicals! The fundamentalist followers of the Church of the Non-Believers. Oh boy, digging up bones again. And of course Dre doesn't mention anything about Christians who've been hunted down and persecuted in history...those who have to practice their belief in hiding....feeding them to the lions! History to you seems to be crunched up to what....a measly few centuries? Where is this religious mob who harm atheists? Which religion do they follow? EHHHH? Where'd you pull all this? Who do you think funded and still funding most of archeological digs? That comes up with archeological finds that support some narratives in the Bible? The Kikkabuktoos of the Suli-Suli Islands? Who's funding scientific research? The Science that also says there's no proof for Neo-Darwinist evolution? The proponents of Intelligent Design? The poor un-industrialized countries? I mean....it's hard to maintain a straight face when reading some of the arguments and rebuttals being given by the new atheists, let alone take them seriously! They are relativists! That's another defining feature! The fact is The New Atheism founders had created a battle that they can't win! They've thought wrong about a Christian duty - defending the faith! Not through violence, but by reason!

Well, there's a clear difference between an atheist and an agnostic. An atheist is confident in his belief that there is no God/gods/dieties. An agnostic on the other hand is a skeptic. He is, what you might call, a "fence-sitter." Although he doubts the existence of God, he is open to the possibility of His existence. At least, that's how I think they are.

Furthermore, what are you saying? You're making that statement yourself....and? No one's stopping you. You can even believe in it if you want to. But I'm not going to play "philosopher" and pretend there is rational discussion with someone who cannot even grasp the... ... full implication of having several (51 at latest count) scientifically proven facts all found in and supporting A SINGLE ANCIENT Book that was written thousands of years ago! If you can't find any logic in that....or see the significance of that....then gimme a break!

Yes, the point that it's all just assumption. It's all just your personal opinion - biased opinion - that's bent on maligning and ridiculing faith! You've demonstrated how you could bomb in your assumptions! Well here's a sample. Not only did they miss the "trick," but obviously they don't understand creationists....or evolution. Or both! Well listen up, bumbling trio! ------ What are you so afraid of? Why don't you cite? Because you just pulled it out of thin air! Or parroted another new atheist somewhere online! He didn't give any cite....therefore you can't either. Ask him to give you a cite. Then give it here. Why should I waste time on someone who's just pulling things out of thin air? You could take the bs anywhere you want....since it's all assumption. What's the point in that? Unless you're just here catatonically tinkering away at the keys....with no purpose....no organization.....no meaning. I'm not like you. whatever.

Why don't you explain your point? C'mon, let's hear it! Then we'll take it from there to see if it's worth responding to.

If you still can't grasp it....then perhaps the water's too deep for you. Sorry, you're on your own. I can't keep up with your new atheistic characteristics.

Their understanding is too shallow perhaps - that's why they have a hard time finding and responding to the point. I kept saying and will keep on saying - they can't hit the bullseye! Somehow.....they seem to be off-kilter...even in their attempt to mock! Let's take for example their Flying Spaghetti Monster: Yes, dear brothers and sisters in Christ....we are also at fault. That's why we have to "arm" ourselves with knowledge (by reading and understanding what we are trying to defend), so we can confidently give answers and act accordingly.

Please....re-consider what you're saying or how you are responding. Your shallow rebuttals - that clearly reflect your shallow understanding - only gives credit to Willaim Craig's assessment of the new atheists: That, they're not intellectually "bright." It's not just a name-calling response from him. He explained why he came to that conclusion. And if you look back to some of the ridiculous responses coming from the new atheists on this board - especially the rabid ones - you'll see what he meant.

Likely? Therefore you're just assuming? That's just your opinion? I'm not debating based on mere personal opinion. Support your argument. Cite. Support your argument. Cite. Well I'm not reading the Catholic Bible...so I can't answer about their Bible. Ask Canadien. It's important to know what Bible to read. I am using the New King James or King James - which is the one most recommended and used by scholars. NIV is also recommended.

51. FACT: DISCOVERY OF THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/wsrp/educational_site/dead_sea_scrolls/discovery.shtml http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/dead-sea-scrolls.htm

Anyway, whatever.