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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5295409/Stormy-Daniels-puts-South-Carolina-strip-club.html There's a video. This is sad.

Sure it mystifies you. Why? Because.....you have gone deaf.....or in denial......or you have deliberately ignored what was being said......or, just like Goddess, you've got a real serious comprehension problem too. You can't deal with it, because you don't like the arguments being given. Anyway, you're not making any sense. What putting all eggs in the gay basket are you on about? have I not equated the sin of homosexuality with the sin of adultery?? Is that one basket to you? You've got problem counting too? Am I saying it's only homosexuality which is a sin? Hello? C'mon. You can't deal with a straight discussion even if it hits you! That's what I've been giving to you - but you keep dodging, and deflecting! Well, I don't want your bs. If you can't discuss straight, it's good that you bow out and stop wasting our time. Btw, I'm having a feeling of deja vu. Haven't you said goodbye way back - and yet, here you are again? You and Goddess seems to be like identical twin peas in a pod. You both go storming off, and suddenly you turn up like as if you haven't bid adieu. Don't blame the thread. And here it comes! It never fails. The liberals almost always, end up with name-calling......... Bye now, James.

You've got a really serious comprehension problem. This subject is above your "pay grade." If that's how you understood it, and you agree with it.....so, you're admitting you're bigoted against gay! That doesn't surprise me. I knew liberals are the real bigots-in-the-closets. For sign-ups, I dunno. Your nearest KuKluxKlan? Skinheads? Toodles already. Go on. Run along now.

An excerpt from Redeemed! 10 Ways to get out of the gay life, if you want out. MORE.... http://www.blackgospel.com/articles/10waysoutofgaylife/

Like a lot of atheist-turned-Christians - many ex-gay had become very outspoken. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ex-gay-army-veteran-slams-policy-forcing-women-to-share-showers-with-transg

It's hard to know the truth these days, James. A lot of so- called biased studies going around. It doesn't help that we're so much into political correctness, and that media is a culprit too in manipulating what we read. Ever heard of Michael Glatze? https://catholicexchange.com/former-gay-youth-leader-re-emerges-to-tell-his-dramatic-conversion-story At first I'd heard that two of my gay friends at university are now married to women. Well....that was inaccurate. In fact, there are three of them who'd become heterosexuals! I found one on facebook (we're now friends), and he's a grandfather, and a Christian. I didn't bring up the past....he didn't, either.

Didn't you read the arguments by the gay church? About worship of Baal/gods in those days? You should read, James. No wonder you're out of sync.....and you're lost as to what I'm on about.

Never mind trying to convince me, James. I'm not trying to convince you really (though it would be wonderful if you see the light). I'm just explaining and trying to clarify things....for the sake of the readers, or anyone confused and trying to find answers.

KJV says the same thing. All the other main stream, credible Bibles do, too.

Yes, mankind isn't perfect. We'll be battling with temptation and sin for the rest of our mortal lives. But we can fight it. That's the whole point - to keep fighting it! A good analogy would be alcoholics and cigarette smokers, and drug users....... who'd managed to quit and fight their addiction. Haven't smoked for over 20 years. I still dream of smoking a cigarette every now and then (having smoked 2 packs a day and quitting cold turkey - it was the only way that worked for me after several tries). Funny thing...... in my dream, I also feel the guilt for having smoked it in my dream! Do you believe once a thief, always a thief? You don't believe in people having the will to reform.....and eventually succeeding? Anyway..... If it's not possible to fight against sinning, why would Jesus say it? https://www.gotquestions.org/go-and-sin-no-more.html Here is one very controversial conversion, because of who she was - a prominent figure in the LGBT movement. Cothran went on to form The Evidence Ministry, Inc., an evangelical mission encouraging gays to renounce homosexuality.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlene_Cothran http://www.theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/CothranVenusOut.htm I think, we have to be wary of our weaknesses. We know what they are. Jesus will give us the strength. All we have to do is ask.

I wish you'd come up and bring something that's relevant.....something not mished-mashed. You're confused. You should read my OP again - my response to the gay church's argument. "There's companionship, partnership, affection, mutual goals and purposes, sex for enjoyment, adoption of children " - that's why God had said, man will leave his parents and cleave to his wife, man and wife will become one! here, let's go review this again, together! Matthew 19 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” If marriage is for everyone other than a union between a man and a woman - why is gender specifically stated? Of course, you can twist and manipulate it out of context, to suit whatever you want...... but it's clear - there's no such thing as same-sex union in the Bible! Anything that deviates from a union between a male and female is consistently considered unnatural by God! It ties up with all the other verses that were given! Matthew 19 7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” 10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” Now, that doesn't mean I'm saying homosexuals are born that way. The verses refer to marriage/divorce/adultery. My point is, celibacy. God had given the union between a man and woman, a purpose! To have their own family - to raise their children to love, glorify and obey God! There's more to just mere procreation! The rest of your benefits are man-made.....quite shallow (considering what we're discussing here)......and all self-centered! Anyone who puts his trust in God, and who depends on God, won't be worrying too much about those things. They're irrelevant!

....."hypocrisy" to you, because you don't seem to understand the big difference. In fact, you understand squat! Like I've said before, it's not the adultery (with bill Clinton) - that's a marital problem. It's his usage of the White House for his trysts. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1998/09/14/affair.state.html I also gave reasons why Trump has Christian supporters! Did you read them? The only one who's starting to look like a hypocrite, is you! Pretending to understand what you don't! Furthermore, where do you base your accusation of adultery by Trump? You've used your accusations to label his Christian supporters as hypocrites. How do you know he hasn't confessed it, and repented? I'll repeat my questions again: Do you know for a fact that Trump is still an adulterer? He confides in you? Can you prove it? If you can't answer that.......then......is it fair to assume that you're also a......... liar?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=NIV Here is the verse. Romans 1 God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. sinful desires of their hearts. Verses 28 and 29, clearly shows that this is not only about the orgies that take place in worshipping Baal. It's the lifestyle. That's the proper context. https://www.gaychurch.org/homosexuality-and-the-bible/the-bible-christianity-and-homosexuality/ Whoa. Let's take a closer look at that argument, and assume for a second that indeed, the whole passage is merely referring to an orgy that celebrates Baal. Even if it's about orgies - clearly, same-sex relation is still being referred to as unnatural. Furthermore, surely an orgy would not limit sexual relations between same-sex only! Surely, there would've been sex between heterosexuals too in an orgy? There would've been married people having sex with different partners? You're saying, this is supposedly about orgies only, right? Anything goes with orgies! So, the question is.....why is same-sex encounter the only one that's vividly pointed out? Yes indeed, context is everything! Now, check out verses 28 and 29......and see how all those mentioned wickedness have anything to do with orgies!

A poster had given the term catamite in his argument. It's also given by the gay church. https://www.gaychurch.org/homosexuality-and-the-bible/the-bible-christianity-and-homosexuality/ Here's the rebuttal for that: https://www.thenivbible.com/malakoi/ Furthermore, Romans 1 negates the argument that this refers to catamites (pre-pubescent boys) . No. It's about same-sex relations. Otherwise why would women be mentioned comparably - lesbian acts - be described as well? Romans 1 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

What guilt? https://www.gotquestions.org/guilt-dealing.html

You should study the Bible, James. The most important message of the Scripture - Jesus dying for the sin of mankind - seems lost to you. There is a caveat to gaining eternal life. Repentance. John 8 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned] But what do You say?” 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear. 7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.” John 5 13 The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there. 14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well.

The foot-washing was an argument being given by BubberMiley! He's using that scene as evidence that Jesus is gay (or, indulging in some kind of perversity)! You have the free will - you can choose to ignore the full implication of Genesis 1-2 ( and why God created mankind male and female). My explanation was a rebuttal to the interpretation of the gay church that the creation of male and female was merely for procreation purposes. It's not. Like I've said, there's more to it than just simply to make more children. You call it as part of the creation myth - which means, you don't believe it really happened. You may choose to believe that creation is only myth - but in Matthew 19, Jesus was preaching it for a fact! Like I said, your choice.

The Bible DECLARES some things that science had proven to be true. Whether it's been scientifically proven or not, is still irrelevant. This thread is about what the Bible says about homosexuality. The Bible isn't meant to be a science book......but it just so happens that science had confirmed some of the verses in the Bible can be taken literally. I've given the verses. Scroll back and review all my posts - maybe, that's what you need so you'll get on the same page.

Disagree and discuss, yes. But you're bringing arguments up that are irrelevant to this thread.

Why's that something? I didn't want it discussed in another thread. Also, this is a forum. Look how many responses it got. Obviously, there's interest in the subject. You, yourself, had responded to it, right? Have you read the OP? Furthermore, I was also rebutting the article given in the OP.

Well....I brought that thread up again. Just for you. My relevant responses are on the very first page. Let's not derail this thread. This isn't about Trump.

Looks like this thread is relevant again. Read what I've said again. See the boldened statement? Try to wrap your head around it. Btw, do you know for a fact that Trump is still an adulterer? He confides in you? Can you prove it?

You're deliberately ignoring the link? Your argument is irrelevant on this thread. Go create your own thread on hypocritical Christians!