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The building wasn't in equilibrium while it was collapsing.

No you are not and you have already admitted that on this post ! You have had "some courses but did not finish so stop it. That has nothing to do with the second law arguement. If you were an engineer you would not have made the error on the free body diagram of the table with the missing leg and you wouldn't have accused me of using non Newtonian physics when I introduced the idea of a rotation. If I point this out will you stop responding to my posts ? I will explain how the second alw of thermo applies to this. na85 if you want to sit with Riverwind in this then you should re read some of the Riverwind physics that have been presented on this thread first. Anyone can see this from the video. There wasn't a big pile of...anything at ground zero center.

They have told you what happened not explained how it happened (collapses). No one has done this. Anyone curious about the scientific aspects of 911 should look at Hoffmans site. He explains the technical misinformation and exposes the technical lies.

The NIST report DOES NOT explain the collapses. It only explains the events leading up to the collapse. Their explanation as to how the buildings collapsed is based on pure hypothesis only. If I show you where I correct your free body diagram and show where you accuse me of using non Newtonian physics when I introduced the idea of rotations, will you go away and stop participating in my posts ? such as ??

Yes it does and I have a degree in electrical engineering. Any engineer that says this is possible is a fool or a liar. If the buildings fall straight down its a violation of the second law of thermodynamics. Its impossible - or about as possible as dropping 3 basket balls and have them land directly on top of one another.

It is not nationalist forces that shape the world. The world is shaped by the mega rich who answer to no one. The US army is just one of their tools - it mostly gets used as a collection agency and enforcer for private banking interests such as the IMF.

It wasn't a country, it was billionaires and trillionaires that work from a greed & arrogance that is unimaginable to people not in their circle. The kind of people that are doing this have everything, they have done everything and been everywhere and they just want more. They are bored. Thats my take on it.

Those soldiers in Iraq will not be comming home. The oligarchy realizes that if those soldiers come home the American people will come face to face with a reality they have been able to ignore thus far. The realities of DU alone show that our governments are 100 % evil. The DU usage in Iraq and Afghanistan comprises a war crime on a scale that has never been known by mankind. Thats why the Pentagon put a moratorium on DU reporting. You will never hear about DU on corporate controlled media. Its also proof that the US government would kill its own citizens because its proof of character. Anyone curious about DU should look up Dr Doug Rokke. He was in charge of DU safety during Iraq war 1. It wasn't used in ww2 for this reason. They had it. They used DU instead of tungsten or other substitutes because its cheaper.

There is no possible explanation for how the towers were destroyed other than controlled demolition. Any other explanation is a scientific impossibility. This should be obvious fromn the collapse of wtc7 but the collapse of wtc1 & wtc2 should and does raise a lot of questions in anyones gut. The exact scientific nature of the collapse and how buildings collapse in general can be explained and understood. Its dangerous to explain some things because engiuneers will (and have) lie to cover this up. They think they are on the winning end of all this or are afraid to speak up. Any other explanation as to how the buildings collapsed is purely idiotic and violates basic scientific principle. No one can argue this intelligently.

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Convince me that the government didn't kill 3000 people on Sept 11. Show me some evidence that AlQuaeda did it. Show me an unbiased investigation. The fact is the whole system is corrupt and I am mad as hell about it. What makes me angry is not so much the corruption but the willful ignorance - even desire for us to continue on this path. We live in end times and the appropriate response is to express anger about this because it doesn't have to happen. Think about what could happen if we got monetary reform. Our civilization would change in dranmatic ways that few people could even imagine. The current oligarchy would be behind bars and we would be a free & enlighted society. Currently we are nothing but destructive in every possible way - towards ourselves, our futre and toward others. Happiness = hope. I see none.

Do you have any actual evidence that shows the official story to be true ? What do you think of that Osama confession tape ?

na85, do you think 911 was an inside job or not ?

You should read about the holocaust. Jews called other Jews who were aware of what was really happening were labeled as nuts too.

No because during the depression they still had farming. When we have our next depression there will not be enough food to go around. The crowd control weapons used by police will be sick and they will need psycopaths to operate them. They couldn't burn people alive with microwaves in the 30's.

The official version of 911 is what is rediculous. WDM's in Iraq is rediculous, 2.3 + trllion gone from the Pentagon is rediculous, Oklahoma investigation results were rediculous, wtc93 was done by the government, the idea of fighting for freedom is rediculous, the banks are criminal, the economy is being gutted & the government sells drugs to finance illegal activities. You are rediculous. The only outlandish fantasy is to believe the government stands for freedom & democracy and is here to protect you. What have you ever done or said to affect positive change for society ?

The wide gap between the rich and poor in our society makes everything I am saying very possible. Ask a lawyer if your birth certificates can be used as colateral by this oligarchy without you knowing about it. Ask a lawyer if you really have the right to habeous corpus. They are free to take it away anytime they want - even if its just to rob and screw you for fun. The truth is you have no rights in Canada.

Joke all you want but we are living in the most dangerous and the most interesting part of human history.

I bet Bush pardons him.

Nope. I like my weed but I wasn't smoking then and I'm not smoking now. I wasn't but it became a way of life for me for about 10 years starting at age 28.

I used to be a very gregarious outgoing person with a wide ranging set of interests and a large group of friends from a wide variety of positions in society fropm the highest to the lowest. I used to be athletic and by and large ignorant of what was and is happening. I have also seen the pit of hell and that cannot be described using words on a newsgroup. You cannot comprehend it until you have been there. I have lost my friends because they are afraid of what I might say. Some may think I could be a terrorist but this is not the case. I am not a killer and I know thats what the system wants. Nothing would make Harper happier than to have a real terrorist arrested - it would save them from faking it all the time. We either win peacefully or we lose. You can't fight black helicopters with rocks and pellet guns. I had plans on joining the army after graduating school - seriously considered it an option until Oklahoma. It then became out of the question entirely. I am dedicated to fighting this New World Order - nothing else matters. I could be making a lot more money and live in a big house if those were my goals I work less than 1 day a week now - enough for a modest living. Things I know for a fact: (1) A willful destruction of our civilization is underway. I have known this for two years. (2) There will be mass executions. I have had this info volunteered to me by people that would know - one 10 years ago explicitly, one other person 5 years ago explicitly and one other person 5 years ago implictly. None of these people knew each other and they all held positions in society that would permit them to know this. Two had no reason to make it up. The third was completely depraved in every imaginable way (a partner in a law firm), was a devil worshipper and would screw anyone for no other reason than the pleasure of doing it. They may starve us out, create civil war or load us into detention centers - this I do not know. I do know that they want somthing between 80 % & 100 % of the existing population dead. (3) The system - cops, courts and lawyers is corrupt. If a lawyer, a cop or a judge is not corrupt it is by choice, not by requirement. They can do whatever they want. Members of the judicial system in Canada are above the law. The system is designed that way in the same way a mud house built in the open will eventually fall apart if rained on enough. I believe this is by design. (4) 911 & Oklahoma were both inside jobs. We know that wtc'93 was an inside job because the tapes have been made public. I saw it on 60 minutes, w5 or one of those shows. The wtc'93 bombing was planned and executed by the government of the United States. The fact the 911 was an inside job and that Oklahoma was an inside job cannot be intelligently debated. The scientific evidence speaks for itself. It doesn't add up in any way. Anyone that has tried to argue on scientific basis has made gross errors in the basics of science. Scientific arguements that support the official version can easily be shown to be idiotic. Engineers have lied to cover it up. Things I believe (1) Most of the children that dissapear are dissapeared by members of society that are above the law that are scaraficing them during winter or summer solistice. (2) People are being dissapeared & suicided now. We know from Todd Bush that the police can execute people inside the police station if they wish to do so. The cops killed one guy with a gunshot wound inside the station in self defence. 2+2=5. (3) Many people are aware of this and choose to ignore it because they think they will be on the winning end of it all or they are afraid to face it - cognitive dissonance or they believe themselves to be powerless. This belief of powerlessness is perpetuated by the oligarchy. Many people in power simply are not aware of what is going on because they are too busy or because of cognitive dissonance. (4) Although I am not religious I have heard someone once say that there are more people on this planet than there are souls. I believe there is an element of truth to this on some level but am not superstitious either. It could be a form of mental illness. (5) There is almost no truth to what is commonly known as history. Some elements are true but the motivations laid out for the wars are all lies. The wars were done on purpose to enhance oligarical control of the world population by the ruling elite. The thing you are thinking is that I am crazy and need help. I have considered this, done the psychological testing and talked with councellors and psychiatrists and psychologists. I have also read about mental illness and know that many people have some degree of mental illness. I do not, there are more level headed people around than me but they are small in number. I have had psycs tell me that I am completely sane - a rarity. A book called The Holocaust was a fictional book based on reality. The phenomenon of ignorance is well illustrated in that book. Jews knew they were being carted away to be killed but they chose to believe otherwise.

Read Webster Tarpleys book Georhe Bush: The Unauthorized Biography its available online here and lays it all out: Tarpley's site Its free. I've read bits of it and its is packed full of verfifiable & falsifiable info.

My posts are based on logical fact and not emotions surrounding the matter.

Volatirs Bastards is probably the best book I have ever read.

You are not that hard to read.