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Actually you should tell that to the Washington Post & NY Times. I wonder why there are lobbyists lobbying to prevent US gov from prosecuting these cases. You should read through the article, click on the links. Truth is stanger than fiction. Its real.

No, I don't. I just posted it to see what people thought and how people like yourself would justify it or explain it away.

Who deterimned it to be a hoax Anne Coulter ?

Type in 'Planetary Initiative' in Google, then click 'search'. Look at the links that come up. see books etc on it. Where did you look ???

If they just do that then why even have them ? Have a vote and see who gets in and whoever wins the Prime Ministership gets to be king. Thats basically how it works now anyways.

I guess the same thing can be said about the Washington Post by extention.

You sure do think you know alot. Its one way to identify a fool. No you do not. You do not have a clue. To think that the "North American Union" is some conspiracy theory is to be an idiot. You may as well call yourself the tooth fairy and say the moon is made of cheese.

This movie has nothing to do with Alex Jones. You should perhaps watch it then you cost post an informed opinion.

Guess you missedall those mainstream media links on this issue. The artcle was written by Steve & Paul Watson, one of which has a masters degree in poli science. I suppose you know more.

This may be debt free currency produced by the government and therefore prevents the private bankers from collecting interest on every dollar denomination in circulation. If I am not mistaken the coins to not say "Federal Reserve" on them.

Politicians have already handed over a lot of their power. This started in the 70's Trudeau was amemeber of the Club of Rome and he began to use private banks to finance government instead of using the Bank Of Canada. Canadas debt has grown almost exponentially since then. This was a move to take power away from politicians and put it into the hands of international bankers. Haprper is just a globalist puppet. Read my thread on the NAU. The borders are being abolished now, the USA Mexico border is practically non existent there are moves in Canada recently announced to allow the free flow of illegal immigrants. My post is based on fact not emotion and the fact that you don't like it bears no relevance.

Just because someone is angry doesn't make them crazy. Maybe things are really as bad as I say they are. Maybe you are right 911 wasn't an inside job. My problem with that is that have have no single shred of evidence from which to work, circumstantial or otherwise. You cannot use the character of the accused perpetrators to win people over to your side. You cannot use history recent or ancient. The scientific aspects of the collapsed prove that explosives were planeted. This is obvious from the giant hunks of building being blown upward during the collapse. It is also obvious from a number of other reasons. The official version is scientifically impossible. The fact that 911 was an inside job means all this other stuff is probably true. You want cling on to a belief and "don't worry be happy". Thats fine with me and I don't worry about what is going to happen with you any more than you do about me. I have never posted an email before and was unaware of this program, email stripper. A lot of the Jews in world war 2 were also labeled as crazy and shunned from friends and family for what they are saying. My views have cost me most of my friends too, but I am far from crazy. I have the couyrage to face this thing head on and a familiarity with evil that makes me see that its all very possible.

When he has sex with a slut in the oval office its the publics business. What he does on his own time and in his own bedroom is his business.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Fogal" <[email protected]> To: "em & trent" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATTN. Connie Fogal] > At 09:24 AM 3/9/2007, you wrote: >>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:22:14 -0800 >>From: "em & trent" <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: ATTN. Connie Fogal >> >> >>Dear Ms. Connie Fogal, >>I am a reporter from the Canadian National Newspaper located in Toronto, >>ON. I am currently writing an article on the North American Union (NAU), >>and how it will affect Canada as a whole if implemented. I'm seeking >>quotes from every political party represented in Canada, and am wondering >>if you would oblige me by answering some, if not all of the following >>questions? The deadline is Friday, March 16; please let me know if you're >>able to oblige us with your response. > > Dear Ms. Emily Wierenga. > > Thank you for phoning me to alert me of your request. I have been able to > go into the e mail to find your letter to respond. My e mail is so > backed up that I often miss important letters. We (CAP) have so few > resources . I really thank you for doing an article on the NAU and am > pleased to have opportunity to participate in this most important > initiative of yours. .My answers follow your questions below. > > First of all , it is not a matter of "If it is implemented". It is being > implemented already. There are cabinet ministers responsible for > implementing it. Under the Liberals in Canada they were Anne McLellan, > Deputy PM and Minister of PublicSafety and Emergency Preparedness, David > Emerson, Minister of Industry, Pierre Pettigrew, Minister ofForein > Affairs. In June 2005 these three along with there companion ministers > from the USA and Mexico reported to Martin Bush and Fox of their > implementation progress since March 2005 "the date of the signing of the > Security and Prosperity Agreement among Bush Fox and Martin) up to June > 2005. > > The document is called Security and Prosperity Partnership of North > America, Report to Leaders. It is dated June 2005 . I have a hard copy > which I pulled off the internet shortly after it was produced. Not sure > if the url will still work. > > Try www.fac-aec.gc.ca/spp/SPP-report.PDF > > I can fax to you a copy of my hard copy if you want . > > When the Conservatives took over, Harper and Emerson connected to be sure > Emerson carried on the implementation. Harper needed someone with > experience to continue the union. Emerson was the only one of the > original three appointed Canadian integrationists who was re-elected. > You may remember Emerson's retort about his move over to the > Conservatives. He said, "I do not know why people are so upset. I am just > continuing the work I was doing before." I certainly understood the > importance of that comment re the unification of North America. > > I live in Emerson's riding and ran as a candidate against him. I only > had one opportunity in that election to challenge him on his role which he > denied until I produced the Report to Ministers with his signature on it. > He ran from the meeting to avoid further questions . No media were > present. The NDP and conservative candidates were silent on the issue. > > I do not know who the other two people are that replaced Pettigrew and > McLellan. The responsible people are being more furtive now even denying > that the SPP was signed or that such a unification is in progress (all the > while knowing full well that it is proceeding at a rapid pace. The > deception is incredible with a complicity at all levels of government- in > the bureaucracy and in the elected representatives. We citizens have had > our sovereignty stolen from us and now live under blatant dictatorial > practice of the national Leaders, and some provincial leaders, and their > minions of three countries. ) > > The nine Federal Cabinet Ministers say this in their June 2005 Report to > the Leaders.: > > "On March 23, 2005, you announced the Security and Prosperity Partnership > of North America. At that time you instructed Ministers to create an > architecture which would further enhance the security of North America > while at the same time promote the economic well-being of our citizens and > position North America to face and meet future challenges......... > > In carrying our your instructions, we established working groups under > both agendas- Security and Prosperity. We had roundtables with > stakeholders, meetings with business groups and briefing sessions with > legislatures,as well as with other relevant political jurisdictions. The > result is a detailed series of actions and recommendations designed to > increase the competitiveness of North America and the security of our > people.......... > > Upon your review and approval, we will once again meet with stakeholders > and work with them to implement the workplans that we have developed. We > will encourage them to continue to provide us with new ideas and proposals > which will help shape our forward agenda and our vision for North > America..... > > To make North America secure for the future, we need integrated, > coordinated and seamless measures in place at, within, and beyond our > borders.... > > Increased economic integration and security cooperation will further a > unique and strong North American relationship- a relationship that meets > your stated goals ..... > > We recognize that this Partnership is designed to be a dynamic , > permanent process and that the attached workplans are just a first step. > ... > > The success of our efforts will be defined less by the contents of the > workplans than by the actual implementation of initiatives and strategies > that will make North America more prosperous and secure." > > The italics present only part of the report. > > Furthermore, the SPP is the blueprint for the North American Union, with > an ultimate goal of a union of the Americas, South and North into one > global power block. This Union has been the agenda of the North American > corporate elite for over 20 years , since the FTA. The NAU ,you must > understand, is being formalized via the SPP which is the written > expression of the agenda of the North American corporate elite that has > been in process for many years- since the first FTA. The SPP is the final > push for the NAU. The movers and shakers deny over and over that the NAU > is in process or on the horizon etc etc. They lie through their teeth. > > >>1. Where does the Canadian Action Party stand on NAFTA, and how does it >>see NAU as a positive or negative result of that agreement? > > The Canadian Action Party calls for the Abrogation of NAFTA. The NAU is a > progression of the corporatization and privatization process that the FTA > and then NAFTA created. See all the above and below for the overall effect > of NAFTA carried forward into the NAU. > >>2. How do you anticipate the NAU benefiting Canadian and Mexican citizens, >>if in any way? > > In no way at all > >>3. How do you anticipate it hurting both parties, in regards to health >>care, agriculture, militarization, 'Americanization' and the overall >>economy? > > The intention of the SPP as with the TILMA is to privatize everything. > There is to be no mixed economy anymore as was Canada's tradition that > worked so well and gave us medicare, hospitalization insurance, Central > mortgage and housing when we had it, the Bank of Canada, crown > corporations for such services as transportation, bus services, hydro, > telephones, highways, the Canadian Wheat Board, other marketing boards, > numerous regulatory bodies all of which as you know are being phased out > slowly. They know they cannot just take everything away too fast or there > will be rebellion. "Kill the people slowly" is the modus operandi "and > maybe they will never know what hit them". The concept of the public good > has been abandoned along with the public interest. The only interest to be > served now are the pockets of the large corporations including and > especially the banking industry which is very much at the heart of the > entire enterprise. > > All the rules and operations that were put into place over the past to > protect the public and to serve the public interest are being dismantled > under the agenda of the corporate elite. In Canada that is the CCCE, the > Canadian Council of Chief Executive . It is they along with their > counterparts in the USA, The Council of Foreign Relations and in Mexico , > the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internationales who are the driving force > behind the Security and Prosperity Partnership. They are the shadow > government, the real and permanent government dictating to the three > federal Leaders and to the Provincial leaders the direction of this > geographical area we call North America. The three leaders are not just > submitting to this takeover, this bureaucratic conquering of three > nations,. They share the ideology!. They are part of the leadership > wanting to do this. The horror is that they pretend to us otherwise . They > lie through their teeth with a smile. > > Prosperity is to be for the corporate elite, not the people. The corporate > and financial moguls of North America compete with Asia and Europe to > extract the most profits out of the resources of the world. The people are > to be tolerated only in so far as they can serve the corporate greed. The > Security is no more than a mechanism to keep the people from rebelling and > throwing off the oppression of the now open new regime. > > Health care is to be privatized. They have almost completed that process > as they have been starving its funding and thereby killing public medicare > to date. > > The integration of Canada's military into USA command is almost complete > under the Binational Planning Committee begun in 2002. Again they lie. > > Agriculture has been on the front line of attack all over the world from > globalization i.e corporatization, but many countries have continued to > provide subsidy to their farmers, including the USA. The death of the > family farm is in process and big agribusiness drives the small farmer to > bankruptcy. An NAU will have more success in finishing off all the small > farmers in Canada, the USA, and in Mexico. It will especially be more > able to eliminate the subsidies of the US farmers. Genetically modertated > foods will thrive contrary to the interest of humans , again all in the > interest of corporate profit, not the health of humans. > > It is no longer really a question of "Americanization " of Canadians. The > large body of citizens in all three countries are being stripped of their > sovereignty. It is the "North" Americanization of all of us. It is the > elimination of three nations and the constitutional protections of the > people in those nations. Our nations and our constitutions were set up > precisely to be geographical boundaries and rules in the three regional > areas we called Canada USA and Mexico . They were the recipes for our > social order of how we related to each other in our own nations in our own > interest. The power and might of the shadow government intends to reign > outside of the civil democratic laws that were our base of social order. > Instead we are to be ruled by unelected, unaccountable, unrepresentative > corporate military academic tribunals who rule in their interest only. > The new order intends and is restructuring our countries to enable a few > to be in dictatorial control . > > Witness the dictatorial actions of our BC government who on or about March > 8, 2007 wiped out the authority of elected bodies over transportation in > the Lower Mainland and turned the control of transportation in the Lower > mainland to an unelected, unaccountable, unrepresentative body of > technocrats and corporations. The unexposed reason behind the scenes is > that the elected people were to a fair extent responding to the citizenry > and trying to build a livable transit system to serve the people who live > here. The agenda of the Campbell Liberals and the Klein government (as it > was) is to serve the NAFTA highway linkages which is a major thrust in the > unification of North America. The intention is to serve the > transportation needs of corporations up the NAFTA corridor for the > benefit of corporations, and military. To hell with the people who get in > the way-local people, local lands, protective zoning. > > In fact the real goal is for an "Americanization" of all the Americas, > North and South under this corporate rule stripped of constitutions and > rights and protections for and of and by the people. The goal is to > create a strong block of power in a game of conquer competing with Asia > and Europe for the control of the resources of the world. The corporate > leaders who reside in the geographical area of the Americas have no > allegiance to any country, or to any peoples, only to their selfish > exploitation of the Americas to satisfy their greed and to give them a > power block to compete with the East for their own financial gain.. > > >>4. Do you feel that Canada as a whole would lose its 'identity,' if the >>NAU were implemented? > > Absolutely, we ARE losing our identity. Our foreign and military policy > position and practice is now identical to what the USA dictates. Our > domestic position and practices are deceptively being restructured to > meet the NAU privatization /corporatization agenda under the direction of > the USA leadership. Note the BC/ Alberta TILMA agreement (The trade and > Investment Labour Mobility Agreement) dictatorially entered between > Campbell and Klein in April 2006 coming into effect April 2007. That > agreement removes the right of government on behalf of the people to > participate in the economy under severe financial penalties. TILMA is a > provincial arm of the NAU process. > > TILMA, like the SPP, is an expression of the current practice of > de-structuring and de-democratization of our democratic social order. > Both eliminate accountability, representation, informed consent, and > electoral responsibility. > >>5. What, in your party's perspective, sets Canada apart from the USA ? > > It is not a matter of setting Canada apart from the USA. It is a question > of the people in the three nations having the right and the power to make > rules about their own lives according to their own needs and desires, to > make their own choices; in effect, to exercise democracy. There is a > growing movement in the USA by some U.S. senators who are working to stop > this geographical unification of the Americas. We are not anti each > other. We are not saying we are better than you, or our way is better. > The resisters on both sides of the two borders are saying, we, the people, > want back our capacity to make decisions about our own social order. We > want it to be for human rights , not corporate rights. We are saying > together, "No thank you! We do not want to give up our nation status! We > do not want to be wrested of our constitutional protections." > > >> Would the NAU jeopardize this distinction? > > See all my comments throughout the above. > > >>6. If your party is overall opposed to the NAU, does it have a proposed >>alternative? > > Of course. Let us be Canada, the USA and Mexico with our own respective > rules, and the right to be as different from each other as we choose. Let > us be independent sovereign nations > >>7. If the NAU occurs, what do you envision our nation looking like in 5-10 >>years?rrella o f aphical arsinow called CanadUSAandMExico aS teh provinces >>adnstates do all under ht unb > > > We will not be a nation. Our names may remain as a designation over the > particular geographical area,but there will be no national power of > Canadians over Canadians and for Canadians. The plan here is the end of > nation states . Look around and see all the public talk groups advocating > the end of nation states. The minions are at work!!!!!!!!!!!! > >>8. Overall, is the NAU a threat to Canadian sovereignty, and to the >>nation's social programs? If so, how? > > ABSOLUTELY, YES!!!!!!! See above for my answers on this point. BUT IN > PARTICULAR THERE ARE TO BE NO REAL SOCIAL PROGRAMS. THEY INTERFERE WITH > PROFIT. THERE IS TO BE NO SOVEREIGNTY. THAT INTERFERES WITH PROFIT. > > > >>Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions. By doing so, you >>are helping Canadians understand this complicated and somewhat difficult >>subject. > > > With respect, it is not a difficult subject. The issue is do we want a > country? Do we want to be in control of our own destiny? Do we want the > capacity to make our own decisions about the lives we live. > > Sincerely, Constance Fogal, Leader, Canadian Action Party/Parti action > canadienne > > >>Sincerely, >>Emily T. Wierenga. > > > > Canadian Action Party/ Parti action canadienne > > Leader, Constance (Connie) Fogal > Telephone (604) 872 2128 home; Fax: (604) 872 1504 > E-mail: [email protected] >

He brilliantly ensured that the proper authorities didn't get anywhere near the evidence and facilitated the illegal removal of evidence like a hero. He sounded like a hero on TV too. John McCain wants to make posts like mine illegal.

You owe the goverment 50 trillion dollars - your share is $175,000.00 - only Ron Paul points this out. All of your income tax goes directly to private bankers, not a red cent goes toward running the country. All the other taxes do this. This was in a congressional report by Ronald Reagan in '81.

Also all the engineers that say they agree with the government explanation of 911 are highly dependent onh government contracts to make their living. This is true of most civil/structural engineers - pretty much all of whom have never formally studies a building collapse which involves complex non linear behaviour of materials. Getting a civil engineer to explain that collapse is like going to a proctologist because you have a toothache. They design to prevent collapses from ever happening. Lots of engineers lie about the physical properties of materials to support the official version of 911. Structural steel doesn't melt from fuel fires yet melting was observed and stated to be a product of fuel fires by supporters of this official version. That alone should tell you something. Read this. Its written by Paul Craig Roberts, a deputy economist from the Reagan era. He has lots of articles on 911 - he is also an engineer.

Officials question 911 report They all make statements here saying they want a new investigation. Look further into their own websites and you find that they think it was an inside job. There are more engineers and scientists that come from high level positions in the white house that think 911 was an inside job than you can find from all your other sources. Van Romero (mining/explosives engineer) said it too, two weeks later he retracted his statement and shortly after became a highly paid White House lobbyist. Thats how it all works.

The bottom line is this. Neither the NIST report nor the FEMA report address the actual collapse of the buildings. The NIST report was directed by Philip Zelikow, a self admitted propoganda expert. The FEMA report says their theory of how wtc7 collapse has a "very low degree of probability" but they do not consider anything else. I don't recall any expert explaining how buildings just naturally collapse into their own footprint as a result of assymetrical damage and fires. Of course they do not because its impossible. I don't recall your post and would be happy to look at your site. 911Myths and popular mechanics have turned out to be lies and straw men. You pick any point that either of them make and I will show you that (1) Its not a mainstream position of the truth movement or (2) The explaination violates basic scientific principle that can be intuitively understood. Any attempt to explain how buildings can collapse directly straight down into their own footprint that I have seen can easily be shown to be idiotic and to violate basic scientific principle. I have had this arguement with many engineers. I can also show many scientists and engineers, congressmen, ex intelligence heads, ex sentators, military men, white house advisors, etc that all think 911 was an inside job. This is not a "fringe" viewpoint just because you don't hear about it on TV. You can only come up with about 5 or 6 engineers or scientists that are willing to state that they think 911 happened as the government say it did.

If you don't mind the fact that over three trillion dollars are missing from the Pentagon, all the lies about wars and happen to be one of those folks that think buildings collapse directly straight down into their own footprint as a result of asymmetrical damage and fires then you should vote for one of the mainstream supported politicians. They are all making fortunes from your misfortune and are very happy to "serve". Just because they are getting filthy rich from it all doesn't mean anything. If you don't mind the fact that your country is being sold out to corporations in every way, they are writing the new legislation and the politicians are not even bothering to read it then an establishment corporate media supported politician is the one for you. If you cannot be bothered looking into this North American Union thing and don't really care what it actually means then an establishment/corporate politician is definetly the way to vote. If you want to change the direction of your country and start putting these crooks in jail and perhaps would like to have a separate giovernment and media you should consider Ron Paul because he tells the truth and has already been elected many times.

Funny, the economists I talk to - real ones say the ones you are learning from are lying. So how do banks really operate ? Its a scientific fact that 911 was an inside job but I bet you don't believe that. You think buildings look like they are being blown apart while they are collapsing ? You think they collapse straight down into their own footprint by themselves and melt at the bottom ?

They are not mutually exclusive. Corporations just make all the rules - thats why they are drafting legislation for NAU and politicians don't even read it. "Supercapitalism" not capitalism- its a whole new kind of capitalism where we get to be the capital. Not even 2000 - some of them don't even want to be on the list. watch the movie.

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No, its all part of one great big huge conspiracy that they actually admit to. You will never hear about it on corporate controlled media.

Bush & Cheney are against global warming saying its a hoax. There is infighting. David Rockefeller lays it it for us: )The Americans have two choices in elections: The Rockefeller Democrats or the Rockefeller Republicans) "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets "We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991. "The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other." Myron Fagan "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations