Biblio Bibuli

Fortunately, hearts are very forgiving and fatsos and smokers alike can make their hearts sing with some dedicated aerobic exercise. Unfortunately, lungs are unforgiving, and THAT'S where we smokers lose to nonsmoking fatsos. But smoking is lots of fun and I still encourage people around me to: "Smoke! Smoke! Smoke! that cigarette. Puff! Puff! Puff! And if you smoke yourself to death, Tell Saint Peter at the golden gate, That you hates to make him wait, But you gotta have another cigarette."

Wasn't it Trudeau who bought hundreds of brand spanking new tanks back in the seventies? On missile defence, wasn't it Trudeau who said: "Canadians want to benefit from the American nuclear umbrella, but they don't want to hold on to the umbrella's handle. To that extent, the knee-jerk anti-Americanism of some Canadians verges on hypocrisy." ? I'm positive that if Pierre Trudeau was in power in 2001 it would be him and not Blair who would be Bush's righthand man after 9/11. Wanna bet??

In his latest MACLEAN'S article Mark Steyn states that Ignatieff is "far closer to George Bush than to Pierre Trudeau". And we all know how right wing Mr. Trudeau could be when he put his mind to it. From reading the article it is quite obvious that Steyn likes him. The Americans and Mr. Bush pretty much put Harper in the saddle in the last ellection, imo, and the ONLY chance the Liberals now have of holding the Cons down to a minority government next Spring is if they stand in front of a mirror and ask ... "mirror mirror on the wall who is the righwingest of all" ... and then vote Ignatieff in. Michael Ignatieff is well know all over the world. On Steyn's recent visit to Australia many Aussie bigwigs enquired about Iggy and his chances of becoming PM. Ignatieff is in the top 35 of the world's greatest minds ... EVERYWHERE you go people are asking about him. He is going to put Canada back on the map, just you wait and see.

On the second page Dershowitz says that that kind of thinking (that Qana was a war crime) "would make war criminals out of the United States, Canada, Great Britain and all the Allies during the Second World War". So who was it that flew over Dresden back in early 1945? Alians? PS - Turk-92 of NPWBN tells me that Jim231 did. Is this true?

Bob Rae. I have said that many, many times. My mistake, I guess. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....mp;#entry141697

You told me that Ignatieff was good news for the Conservatives. Is there anybody that ISN'T good news? Let me guess. .......... Dryden?

I could not agree more. Oh yeah? What about this one? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....mp;#entry142518 I've got more.

August - So sorry. I was so excited about putting out my own impressions on the debate that I didn't notice you'd already started a thread on the subject. I should go into politics as I obviously have the required ego. As to your points: I agree about the Harper bashing. They didn't seem to be oriented as to time & place. They were not running for the PM seat at this debate, they were running for the leadership of the Liberal party. The only bashing that should have gone on was of the other candidates & why they were superior to a particular candidate. And only Iggy asked for our vote ... as Liberal leader. Not PM. I disagree that Dion's constant references to the Liberal party put him above the others. The party is trying to "renew" itself & sell itself as an improvement over the old party hacks who were clearly getting too comfortable & stagnant. His references to Chretien? Miscue, in my opinion if he wants to win. And a final agreement ... Iggy & Rae in a fight to the end. And Rae decimated Ontario's economy. I rest my case. PS - And should Dion manage to sneak in do you seriously believe that Bob will betray his good friend? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

That speech was ridiculous. I figure he gave it because his advisors have told him he's too right wing and not touchy-feely enough. Anyway, it didn't work.Biblio, I don't know if you've ever been in a room with big egos but Rae's ego clearly dominated Massey Hall. Look, I hope you're right and your guy wins because frankly, I think Harper will do very well against Ignatieff. I think Harper will have serious problems against Rae (who's a better campaigner) or Dion (who would be formidable in Ontario and Quebec). In about a year, one of those guys is going to share a podium with Harper for a similar debate. I didn't see Ignatieff touch the right nerves. Rae did, and Dion showed that he can when he touched the nerves of the old style Liberals in his closing speech. Yes Rae has an ego. But name a politician who doesn't? It's a requisite for the job. It would be impossible to face daily rejection & ridicule unless you thought you were pretty damned great. Now Dion is charming ... but is there actually a Canadian who wants to see him represent Canada? Come on ... we're rubes ... but not that bad. Ignatieff didn't touch your nerves, but I'll wager he touched (and will touch) alot of the nerves of people who find Harper lacking. I think Harper's doing a good job ... but there are still quite a number of Canadians who just don't like him or the Conservatives. And they are allowed to vote. Iggy will give Harper a real run for his money. It's a toss up who will win.

Well, he obviously had the political ability to put one over on you. Iggy played straight man to Bob's "ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom" on that. He led him right to the punch line by saying "I don't know what you stand for on that issue". You don't really think he just "fell into it" do you? He had to get the issue out of the way & Bob did the job for him. He's got the political savvy.

Agree on Volpe ... the Liberals have enough of a history of problems. Get him out. And I agreed with Scott ... no one bloody mentioned the economy. As I said ... he was surprisingly good. Get a few years under his belt & he'll be a contender.

Well it was obvious by the deference paid to Michael by the five also-rans ( Bob & Stephane still think they're in the race) that they pretty well know who their next boss is going to be & they're not about to lose a shot at a portfolio. Stephane was the highlight ..."That's not fair!!" was hilarious ... "It's not easy!!"... shouted the civil servant lifer. If left for another minute I know he would have said ... "We did the best we could!!". Poor guy thinks running on the platform that he was part of the last government that was thrown out of office is a good strategy. Two thousand degrees & still not an ounce of common sense. But he is a likable guy. Bob Rae has the politician's slickness & is very bright. He'd make a good opposition leader ... just so long as no one actually gave him money to spend. Volpe gets his knickers in a twist about "prejudice against Italians" ... and then whispers the entire debate a la Brando in the Godfather. Go figure. Scott was surprisingly good, but I have a question. Isn't he from Nova Scotia? Where in hell did he get the heavy Newfoundland accent? But the clear head & shoulders above winner was Iggy. Ok ... so he cribbed Luther's "I've got a dream" speech. Hey ... it should thrill the multi-cult faction & it worked for Luther ... so what the hell. What's your take?

Who the heck said he was? The Bible's "They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind" is the best approach in any war where one side is far superior. It generally brings peace about very quickly and saves lives.

EVERYBODY is an embarassment compared to what George Jonas is suggesting in his article today in the NP. There he says: "As self-styled men of God, Hezbollah fighters ought to remember the Lord didn't say: Sow the wind and you'll reap a proportionate wind. He said: Sow the wind and and you'll reap the whirlwind."

I too think that a war crime was committed in this instance. But seeing as how the terrorists never give a shit whether they comply with the laws of war or not, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either.

I'll be watching it on CBC Newsworld on channel 26 here in Vancouver. It's on 20 in Victoria (hello JLK), 15 in Calgary, Edmonton and Lethbridge (Hello Geoffrey and Neil Adesky), 22 in Regina (hello Paul MacDonald), 45 in Winnipeg (hello ScottSA).

Not really. The term "war crime" is quite clear. There are laws of war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war And breaking them is what is described as a "war crime": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime Hezbollah committed them as well, and all the same respected human rights organizations that have identified war crimes by Israel have also fingered Hezbollah. There's a rightwing political correctness that lashes out at the truth when it's applied to Israel, unfortunately. That reminds me of what Michael Ignatieff said yesterday ... "Nobody in their right mind supposes that the only war crimes are those committed by the IDF [israel Defense Forces]. They were also committed by terrorist militia that frankly could care less whether it complies with the laws of war." Frankly, I think Iggy will come out of this smelling like a rose. And no, he won't wear one, nor a turtleneck, for Sunday's debate. I can't wait to watch it, it will be yet another feather in his cap. GO IGGY GO!

Is this a joke? Are you serious? They beat a guy up and threw him in the river and he drowned. Are you that totally confused about the concept involved here? Now I am. Totally confused. Why were they only charged with "negligence" then? Are you sure we are talking about the same three blokes, Col. Jorge Mendonca, Maj. Michael Peebles and Warrant Officer Mark Lester Davies? Maybe it is you who is confused. I know that it takes a long time to get an apology around here, but I thought you were different.

Is this a joke? Are you serious? They beat a guy up and threw him in the river and he drowned. Are you that totally confused about the concept involved here? Now I am. Totally confused. Why were they only charged with "negligence" then? Are you sure we are talking about the same three blokes, Col. Jorge Mendonca, Maj. Michael Peebles and Warrant Officer Mark Lester Davies? Maybe it is you who is confused.

Kadis will come back to him. It may take a while though ... maybe not until Tuesday.

If the heading of this thread "The wheels starting come off the Iggy bandwagon" is true how come the odds on him are dropping every day? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...mp;refer=canada

None I can think of. That's because you're too lazy to look, I guess. LOOK! http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/19/britain.iraq/ If these three blokes, because of their negligence, can be charged with war crimes, then why shouldn't the Israeli military intelligence be for THEIR negligence that caused the wrong building to be blown up? You know...there are WAR CRIMES and there are war crimes. And I'm sure that Michael Ignatieff is NOT asking to slice the heads off of those responsible. Maybe a few months in jail, a demotion, a reprimand, a slap on the wrist ... something. And if asked where Hamas stands on war crimes committed and it's seriousness versus those of the Israelis, I'm sure he'd have Hamas far far FAR ahead, by at least a thousand to one. ON BOTH COUNTS! So what's the big deal?? GO IGGY GO!

Heeeeeere you go again, with that reverse psychology stuff. Harper is shaking in his boots at the thought of having to face Iggy and you know it!

Yeah, that happens like - uh - never. Oh yeah! So what about that American flier who mistakenly dropped a couple of bombs on Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan a year or so ago. Didn't they consider charging him with a "war crime" during his court martial? There were many instances when that happened ... the year that immediately pops into my mind is 1967, because I was there. And so was Geoffrey, if I'm not mistaken. LOOK!!! http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm

The wheels came off Susan Kadis' bandwagon, Michael Ignatieff's are securely fastened. Poor Susie doesn't realise that when friendly fire happens and there are casualties the chances are that the soldiers will be charged with "war crimes". GO IGGY GO!