Matthew

Can you document "many cases" of FEMA being used as a political tool?, as opposed to the one isolated individual accused of this specific behavior you mentioned, who was then diciplined? Systematic or institutional bias was not shown to exist in this case.

Sorry friend, I'm not confident that you really know what due process is. So arguing with you about the basic reality of its existence for everyone standing in US territory is pointless.

FEMA is extremely effective and I've witnessed what they do first hand. The speed and scale of their response is incredible. When a flood wiped out thousands of homes blocks away from me suddenly and unexpectedly there were many charities that came but nothing matched FEMA's sustained response. States of course do respond to their own disasters but people look to the federal government when things get really bad. It's inevitable that the federal government will try to help when these things happen. Going back to the pre-2001 unprepared, uncoordinated responses will be worse and far more costly.

So you're rationale here is that committing a criminal act reliquishes someone's legal rights? But now here you're admitting the reality that committing a crime does not relinquish one's legal rights. Instead you're resorting back your other flawed rationale that only US citizens have legal rights in the US, which I've already demonstated to be false. 1. The 14th Amendment distnguishes between citizens and persons under a state's juristiction. 2. Obviously it would be illegal to murder or steal the property of a non-citizen. Because all people standing on US soil have certain basic rights.

You keep claiming this without any support or rationale. Its ignorant wishful thinking. Even convicted murderers still maintain certain legal rights in the United States, including due process.

Ah ok, thanks professor. I guess people who work on meat processing assembly lines are wrong. You imagine state governments strictly enforce safety laws? These red state republican lawmakers and officials bend over and spread their cheeks to ag corporations every day. They made it easier to do child labor here after finding out that 13 year old migrants were working night shifts in meat packing plants. But like a lot of dangerous jobs, even if you're following all the correct procedures, you're still made of meat and working long shifts with equipment designed to quickly cut meat.

Well there is hard work, and then there is a meat packing plant. It's one of the biggest industries in my state and famously grueling and dangerous. For example, video got out a few years back of a worker on an assembly line here quickly pissing into a plastic shopping bag between trimming animals because there was no way to go to the bathroom. Fun fact: republicans here made it illegal to secretly film within any ag facility because so many viral videos showed how gross, disturbing, and unregulated it is. Also, the pay at these places is very decent for entry-level work with no education or experience. But then you get the intense realization of what an 8 hour shift on a meat processing assembly line is like.

My cousin in small town iowa got a job at a meatpacking plant once in his 20s. He's a hard working hearty football player type. He lasted 3 days.

The previous clause uses the word citizens, and talks about the privileges and immunities of citizens. But this clause is about people in general and is about due process, which is afforded to all people within a state. Do you believe you can legally murder a non-citizen or steal their property? Obviously in a society with rule of law the first starting place is that nobody can just do whatever they want to another person. Hence due process for all people.

It's not that anyone needs years to learn crowd control formations and tactics. It's that when one is trained in aggressive deadly warfare tactics, switching to non-deadly has been challenging in the previous attempts to use marines for that purpose.

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." (14th Amendment)

I'm not scared of immigration. Ok you're turn. Why are you scared of the thing that has been happening consistently for 400+ years?

On the spot training is not the same as years of institutionalized training and practice that the police and Guard receive. They not trained to do that, either in a civilian environment.

The greater LA area is one of the biggest urban areas in the world and is an important part of the country. I lived for a few years in a cute rural Iowa town of 2000 people that was an hour away from the nearest highway. It was riddled with alcoholism, poverty, and drug use. These aren't things unique to big cities or southern California. If you're writing people off as unworthy because they have these things in their society, then you're writing off most of the country.

Riots happen in many big cities around the world and police are trained and accustomed to dealing with it as a periodic law enforcement issue.

Why are you scared of immigration? I love how you claim to have an "honest question" and then simply troll people in your own thread and hijack any attempt to talk about your own opinion lol. Its like even you know that you have nothing worthwhile to say.

It's a claim based on the circumstances. Marines have zero training in crowd control or policing practices. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason to include then is as a provocation. Sure once trump turned it into a national spectacle it ramped back up.

Sure it is, one day after announcing the deployment, trump himself had a giant tweet about how the rioting had calmed down, claiming it was because of his troops, even though none of them were there yet.

Focus little buddy. Why in your addled brain do you think that immigration is anything but a net positive for the country?

Weak argument considering the rioting was calmed down by LAPD before the guard and marines were even deployed, and that the attention drawn by the deliberately antagonistic use of these troops seems designed to illicit more rioting. If the intent was to protect federal personnel, deliberately provoking more rioting potentially on a far larger nationwide scale just puts more of them at risk.

If trump is allowed to bypass the immigration courts entirely, as he has been trying to do for months, then who is to know how long someone has been in the country? With no judicial oversight of their process, what's to stop them from next sending US citizens to these foreign concentration camps?

Riots are a normal part of law enforcement in many big cities and there was nothing noteworthy about the level of rioting in LA.

I see your presence here is still as pointless and impotent as ever.

If you've been paying attention you'd know that Trump has been chipping away at immigration courts and trying to bypass them entirely. The whole point of due process in a law-based society is to prevent capricious behavior by those in power. If person can be arrested, declared illegal, declared a gang member etc and then immediately sent off to a concentation camp in a foreign puppet dictatorship, that's what no due process looks like and is fairly close to the current situation.

There has been immigration to this place for centuries. Its what literally built the county. By what retarded logic is immigration now going to destroy the country?