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That is not what you said. You said: "What's horrible is saying that it's a great ambition on par with ALSO developing high functioning careers." You are the one demeaning women here. Your whole attitude is to look down on them with scorn if they are Homemakers. Telling them they are less valuable. Less ambition... its all insulting and demeaning. This is exactly why Butker said what he did. Folks like you look down on women who invest more into their families.

Talk about some dishonest obfuscation. This thread is about women being Homemakers because you and others are making up crap about what Butker said to women. You don't get to pretend that now all of a sudden you were never talking about women. So... are you now saying that everything you have said about being a Homemaker up to this point was only in regards to males and none of it applies to females?

Worth less... how? You are conflating salary value vs "worth" in many other senses of the word. What is important here is the value the woman gets out of what she is doing. If the woman values being a Homemaker more than a Doctor or Lawyer, then good for her. Who are you or anyone else to tell her she is worth less for that? You can't put a real price on the investment of time into your children.

Doctor or Lawyer? Those are highly specialized professions that the average person, male or female, will never be. You are arguing average homemaker vs the margins for highest earning careers.

No lie, here you are again: "I'm not demeaning women." Next Paragraph "I think less of equally capable people who don't have careers because they are literally doing less." No, we can see exactly what you profess here publically, which is far worse than anything Butker said. I don't have to ponder a hypothetical with you. You are doing it right now.

How did those things do what you claim? I know, you like to ignore what the Palestinians did on October 7th when you try to claim they did not do anything that day...

As I figured. You have nothing but baseless assertions.

I already addressed your absurd claims in the other thread, which you ignored. Let me copy paste if for you so you can ignore it again: "I am, quite frankly, not entirely interested in your history revision here, leaving out a lot of details to make such specious conclusions. I mean, before Zelensky passed that law, Putin make the proclomation that several terroritories would be Russian forever... which prompted this response, not that Borris Johnson was characterized a month earlier as sabotaging peace talks... (which is also disputed) and missing a lot of context around the unrealistic demands being made at the time... “He does not know what dignity and honesty are. Therefore, we are ready for a dialog with Russia, but with another president of Russia,” Zelensky said on Friday. https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/zelensky-signs-law-declaring-talks-with-putin-impossible/" This is precisely why I question your motives here and why you likely ignore the question whenever I ask it. You are literally here pushing Russian propaganda, like honest and noble Putin has been willing to deal all along! Give me a break.

How is it that Israel dispossessed, displaced, or subjugated them on day one of their statehood? How?

This is such a childish position or one that is beyond purposefully dishonest. The fact that Israel will not just agree to completely withdrawal and give everything right back to Hamas in exchange for non-specific bodies of Hostages Hamas won't even confirm if dead or alive doesn't mean Israel thinks the Hostages are irrelevant. You are here playing this dishonest game for Hamas, I know you are not this naive.

How are the Israelis getting to do this? Reminder - Average Palestinian people exploited October 7th to loot Israeli homes.

Holy crap. It is you guys who are the ones demeaning women here. This is precisely why we need people like Butker to stand up for women who are Homemakers because people like you demean them. Listen man, you have made your point here. You are the one demeaning women, not Butker. You are the one saying women are less if they are Homemakers. This is exactly why Butker said what he did, because there are people like you out there who think less of women who choose to stay home to invest in their family.

I responded to your stupid question several times now, and you are the one who can't engage any further, ignoring me. No, Palestinians were not all terrorists... but they chose to go to war against Israel.

When ICE puts a detainer request on someone and they get let go... that is actively working against them and the enforcement of Federal law. Stop playing games. You are the one here supporting cities letting these criminals go, instead of enforcing the law. The only ignorance is yours, or dishonestly, as you act like everyone here is here lawfully on an asylum claim, when that is not true. Most of those who are allowed entry on asylum do not show up for court and are here ILLEGALLY. Many others are here ILLEGALLY who crossed the border and were never caught. ICE puts detainers on these criminals when local law enforcement catches them, and then you sit here supporting letting the criminals go so they can go out and murder and rape Americans.

I said "protestors for Hamas" You spent last week defending their lawlessness, did you not?

No... but when they actively work against it, that is the very definition of subverting it. You know... when you support letting all those illegal immigrants go that end up raping and murdering American citizens... that is what you are supporting.

You are speaking with a forked tongue and this is a false dilemma. Russia will have little motivation to negotiate for an end to the war, what makes you think they would, if we are not supporting Ukraine and you oppose our support for Ukraine.

Wow, where was this version of robosmith last week when the other version of robosmith was cheering on protestors for Hamas breaking the law?

So, now you are playing some game in which, even though they are subverting the law because it is not their law, that doesn't count. No, that is still subverting the law. You are just excusing it.

Yes, yes it is. Children are a full-time job. Those who "manage" children and a full-time job pay someone else to take care of their kids for them. Do you think they leave their kids in a cage all day or chained up in the basement? Instead of paying someone to take care of their kids, Homemakers take care of them. How... I mean, how are you this ignorant about this stuff? Many women find this to be extremely fulfilling, as they get to raise their children, spend time with them, invest in them, instead of shipping them off all day just to see them for an hour or two before putting them right to bed. You are the one who characterizes this as their "brains and skills from atrophying" Yet again, you are the one demeaning women here. All you have proven so far is that you are wildly more insulting to women than anything you have been making up about Butker.

Sigh. He never said that.

Do you think Homemakers are just sitting at home watching The View? Staying home is a full time job, just like going to any career is. The only difference is that they are investing MORE into the home, the family, their children, than the person going to work is doing. The issue is not my math, it is your faulty presumptions that somehow the amount of time invested in the home is less than the amount of time invested in the career. Yet again, you demean women who are Homemakers. Women who stay home are doing more than breeding. You are here saying they contribute nothing more as Homemakers. Yet again. you demean women who are Homemakers. I believe Marie Curies mom quit her job when she was born. She invested her time into her daughter... It is not that a woman could go on to cure cancer... it is that you are her demeaning Homemakers in general as being less than the average woman who goes on to the widget factory instead. Yet again, you demean women who are Homemakers.

You just got done making it explicitly clear that women who are homemakers are just doing the baseline. Those are your words: "Breeding and rearing children is the baseline for every animal on the planet. So yes, women who do more are going beyond that." You then go on to say that women who have careers are beyond those without them and still have the same results with family AND they accomplished more: "A mother who has happy, healthy children and a career has accomplished more. That should be obvious." Again these are your words, your words to demean homemakers as less than women with careers. You keep doing it now, saying that Children with two "fully actualized" "whole people" are luckier still. So now you think Homemakers are not fully actualized nor whole. You are here doing everything you falsely accuse Butker of doing.

LOL, nice try. You can count on both hands how many female kickers have played at the College Level, most of those were not in the top divisions either. Zero in the NFL.

No you didn't. There is no evidence that there will be violence if Trump loses. You are speculating. Which is why you have no evidence. Nope, you never said Gore won... you just went along with the nonsense that it was not a legitimate election. There were multiple machine recounts. Bush won. You choose to continue to spread this nonsense instead of accepting the election results. Yes, he did. As reported on by many major media outlets. See my response above.