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Dude, you are back to not answering my questions or responding to all of what I post again. You have as much influence on world events with Russia here as you do with Ukraine or US policy. And to that point, you can support US/Ukraine policy that puts more pressure on Russia to stop the war if that is what you are really after here. That is my point in saying this, that you are ignoring Russia and the policy you do support plays into what Russia wants... why, it is almost as if you support Russia here and you do cheer for them to win. So again, what are your motives? Why do you continue to push inaccurate assertions and things that might as well be Russian propaganda? I watched the video... was there any particular point you wanted to discuss beyond the fact these guys are saying the same thing you are? I did not call you a puppet or anyone a puppet. What reality is it you think I am ignoring here?

So, you have no evidence of any plot to challenge the coming election with violence. You are speculating at best. You still think Gore won, so... what is your point? Gore and Clinton both still go around saying they won. And? Gore, Clinton, you, and a ton of Democrats still don't accept the results of elections. What is your point?

You think being a Homemaker is just being knocked up folding laundry? Look at you insulting all those women out there who invest time into their family to raise their children by reducing it to being knocked up and folding laundry. That it is below other ambitions that you say are "beyond" it. That this would not be part of her dreams. Shame on you.

Once again, here you are making up things he never said.

No, you are merely arguing that their why is a "just" why, it is still subverting the law. Yes, just as our Constitution gives the President pardon authority....

He is no more subverting than what you support with sanctuary cities. Why they have the policy is irrelevant to the fact that the law is being subverted. They are aiding people in breaking the law. Yes, much of it is political spite.

I see... so subverting law is now based on if you think its in the public interest or not. I don't think letting illegal immigrants murder our citizens and kill them is in the public interest... that aside, this boils down to you are OK with breaking some laws that you don't like and support enabling that law breaking. You are just fine with subverting the law after all.

The extent of your "intelligent" contributions here were to say he pooped on their special day. When you feel like you want to add more, beyond the petty childish nonsense, let me know.

Glad you agree then. Trump isn't subverting anything either.

Since you did not pay attention, I will just repost what I already did: That I don't agree with you doesn't make me dishonest. Go ahead and quote him then, make your case.

That I don't agree with you doesn't make me dishonest. Go ahead and quote him them, make your case. Clearly they do not run their course, here you are brining up the "gay cake" again. You brought it up only in as much as you could accuse me of being dishonest. Now you claim conversations run their course. If you think I am dishonest, prove it. Don't play these pathetic childish games after the fact. And my not agreeing with yours and others absurd attempts to "interpret" what Butker meant here or to put words in his mouth he didn't actually say to make your points doesn't make me dishonest.

No, you are the ones playing the word games instead of focusing on what Butker actually said. Butker did not say having two sources of income was bad or wrong. It is more rewarding to be at home to invest more time with your family. Do you have a family? Do you enjoy your kids being in daycare all day instead of with one of you? Instead of being out in the world with their mom, being with strangers? Nevermind, daycare is terribly expensive, and many folks that do work 2 jobs still end up pay a large chunk of whatever $$$ they make extra to daycare anyway. Again, Butker did not make any absolute comments that all women should stay home and nor was he bad mouthing those that did not. No more than I am presuming you are here badmouthing all stay-at-home moms. Are you? Are you demonizing them?

Where is my dishonesty here? Be specific. I am the one who has repeatedly demanded others to focus on what he actually said, not what they think he meant. Of course, I won. You ran away, and here you are accusing me of dishonesty with no specific examples based on those discussions you ran away from. You have to resort to these childish petty tactics like this after the fact instead of being courageous enough to deal with your inability to respond to me then.

There was never a first rebellion. No, it is not clear he will try anything like that in November if he loses again. It is the Democrats who spent the first 2 years of Bidens term setting the stage for claiming the election will be stolen.

I hope his rhetoric is mostly hyperbole, and he will focus his pardons on only the misdemeanor cases and the ones where the DOJ has vindictively gone after people for what is trespassing. And he leaves the violent people in prison.

And to the point here... you cheer on the subversion of law this way... so don't complain when Trump uses his legal authority to pardon people.

Right... just like Clinton continued to call him an illegitimate President too, went on to say the election was stolen, just like you and others still think Al Gore really won. Trump left office peacefully. He walked out and made a transition to the Biden team. Trump organized a peaceful protest. He told them to march peacefully. He told them to stop several times. Democrats, including our sitting VP, funded the bail for the rioters. They made no distinction between peaceful protestors or those engaged in violence, rioting, looting, vandalism, or arson. They backed their bail funds. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House at the time, called Law Enforcement a bunch of kidnappers. Their rhetoric was just as incendiary if not more so in driving the BLM violence. No, she went on to say it was stolen election. Calling President Trump illegitimate is the same thing. They had already recounted several times with the machines. The issue was that there were the hanging chads, pregnant chads... the recounts Gore wanted to do were based on "interpreting" someone's intent through hand recounts and saying that if a chad was indented, well, obviously that was meant to be a vote for Gore... and he wanted to selectively recount ballots that would favor him the most. And yet... Gore still went on to say he should have been President after it was all over. Gore tried to steal the election as much as Trump did, to play legal theories that the Supreme Court ruled as violating the law. He also had his lawyers try to challenge all the overseas military ballots they could to try to skew the vote in his favor. Lets not pretend like Gore was not pushing whatever legal boundaries he could get away with here. And no, Gore would not have won. The Ballots were already recounted, what he wanted was to interpret the intent of voters when they did not clearly mark their ballots. Only if you hand recount the problem ballots and give Gore the 100% most favorable "interpretation" of presuming someone voted for him, even though they didn't clearly mark their ballots, would he have maybe have won, and that was not even what Gore was asking for in his recount challenge. Analysis of Florida Ballots Proves Favorable to Bush https://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/us/analysis-of-florida-ballots-proves-favorable-to-bush.html

OMG, the hypocritical irony. You guys are pushing your phony outrage here over accusing him of telling women what to do things he didn't say... and here YOU ARE doing similar. How is it you presume to speak for "every woman" in that audience? LOL

No, I am just pointing out your bad arguments for not using the words he said. Even Maria Shriver is making a strawman argument. He never told all women to be homemakers. And being a Homemaker is not a luxury that only rich people can afford. It is something many families make sacrifices for because they want to invest more into their home and children. To his target audience, a Catholic Private school... that is a huge part of the Catholic culture as well. Remember, he was not giving some public speech to every woman in the world either, it was a private commencement speech to a Catholic audience.

If I have been dishonest, point out that dishonesty in those threads. Don't pathetically accuse me of it here with no evidence here. Even then, you bring up the "gay cake" as an example... a thread you mostly ran away from because I was tearing your arguments apart. So, what was the dishonesty on my part there? You speak of courage. Let me know when you start showing some. Instead of showing up here to accuse me of dishonesty with no specific examples, go back and face the bad arguments you were making and running away from.

No, no its not the same intent at all. The phrase get back into the kitchen is a common insulting and demeaning one. If what he said was so awful, then actually quote what he said. Inventing something he didn't say to make it sound worse is just that. The reason why you folks won't actually quote Butker and explain exactly why what he said is bad is because you can't. Even now, you do the same thing: You have to talk about what it "seems" he is saying, because he didn't actually say that.

And yet Trump conceded defeat and walked out of the Whitehouse at the end of his term as well... "Trump finally concedes Biden will become president" https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/trump-for-first-time-acknowledges-new-administration-will-take-office-jan-20.html Trump did not summon a mob to attack the Capitol any more than Democrats were summoning the BLM mobs to burn down cities across America, loot, vandalize, attack LEO, and have an insurrection at the Whitehouse... Yes, Clinton literally said Trump was illegitimate and that he stole the election. Gore has also pushed the same crap since. Al Gore Tells Bill Maher That He Should Have Been President: ‘I Think I Carried Florida’ https://www.thedailybeast.com/al-gore-tells-bill-maher-that-he-won-the-2000-election-i-think-i-carried-florida

He should totally be showering with his daughters so they feel so uncomfortable about it they have to write about how it was probably inappropriate in their diary.... that is a girls place, in the shower with her father. You have no room to talk about much of anything. I bet you can't even describe what the definition of a woman is in any meaningful way either. LOL

Congratulations, you have now identified where he was identifying the people he spoke to in the part of his speech. No one is playing stupid here except you and others who repeatedly fail to show where he said anything you are accusing him of. I think I get it. You hate homemakers. You are the one who despises women who work full time to take care of their families and invest time into their well-being. Heaven forbid someone take a moment to celebrate those women who courageously take on such an important role. Where did he say they were scammed and should all want to be homemakers? So, you don't even know enough about your own wife's feelings to say anything about her publically, but you presume to know what Butker is thinking?

How exactly did he speak down to them? I don't presume to know anything about you and your wife other than what you just told me, but if you don't know how she feels, you need some better communication. Best of luck.