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Excellent fact-based rebuttal. This is why you need "elites." You're not funny to land a man on the moon with your feelings, or fix an economy.

A. It's absurd that you want to give Trump a mulligan on the economic effects of mishandling the pandemic and only compare the "good years." As if bad things only happened to Trump. You wanna apply the same thinking to Obama and Biden, who inherited massive disasters from their Republican predecessors? Of course you don't. That would be honest, consistent and inconvenient. B. As I said in the initial post, the record is nothing special even BEFORE the pandemic. Certainly not special enough to justify the massive elective deficits. Again, if you actually look at the facts you can see the both the cumulative and annualized comparisons. S&P Obama vs Trump (NASDAQ and DOW quite similar) GDP Jobs created ^^ As is plain to see, Trupmp NEVER delivered the kind of performance he promise and tried to chase with elective deficit spending. Not even close. He basically coasted and continued the Obama trends without farking it up--until he did fark it up. If his performance had actually been good, you wouldn't have to dredge us silly metrics isolating minorities--as if Trump ever did anything to advance minority interests. Rather, he sowed racial dissent and division to the degree that white nationalists felt empowered, accepted and encouraged in the MAGA America. They went marching. The drove through crowds. They attacked Black churches and Asian people. He kicked off his campaign with racism, xenophobia and sexism. That's what your movement is built on, and it showed up in the data. Facts These trends continued throughout Trump’s presidency, with annual hate crimes remaining around 20% higher during his administrationviii. Other research specifically tied these increases in hate crimes to Trump himself, finding that counties that hosted a Trump rally showed hate crime rates almost double those of similar counties with no rally [1]. So let's not pretend that Trump waved a magic wand to bless Black unemployment. ? I know you're allergic to data and primary sources, but you're not going to reconnect with reality unless you stop googling for opinion pieces to reinforce your bias.

By your own telling, you operate on your feelings instead of facts, but that rather neatly illustrates the value and necessity of the "elites." Somebody has to be making informed decisions. You may feel like it was the best economy ever, but that is so wildly inaccurate as to be laughable. Trump inherited a healthy economy an unwisely tried to goose it by running massive elective deficits, but it didn't really work. Poor ROI, as it never became more than a healthy economy. Take a look at the facts instead of your feelings on this. GDP growth, unemployment, poverty rate--pick whatever you want. It's not the best economy by even a single metric, let alone overall. And as for the "properly managed border" illegal crossings went UP dramatically under Trump and deportations went down. Really, it seems like you just sort of believe whatever Trump says. He's made these claims. The trouble is that he's a compulsive liar who has always made outlandish and exaggerated claims about his results.

Nonsense. World opinion of both the US and our POTUS are manifold higher than under Trump. You may be taken in by conspiracy thinking and myopic reductionism, but don't imagine that you speak for "the rest of the world." Biden is old AF and that sucks, but there's no evidence whatsoever that he has done anything unethical, let alone illegal. If he has he should be held accountable. Trump, on the other hand, has been unquestionably caught SO many times it's become so normalized that some of you have simply given up on the idea that his lawbreaking should even be prosecuted. He's above the law for you. Untouchable. Anything goes. Thankfully that's not how America operates. The Jan. 6 coup failed and we are still a nation of laws.

Think? FFS, there are a hundred different answers, but chief among them is that Joe Biden never tried to seize power and end the Republic.

Trump does have "a type" when it comes to lawyers: incompetent lunatics.

There's broad consensus among economists that immigrants (of any status) are a net positive for the economy. You were factually incorrect about undocumented immigrants claiming food stamps or other welfare benefits that are only available to citizens or certain classes of immigrants. Perhaps you should consider that you harbor other misconceptions or misunderstandings that lead to your mind being boggled. There are other arguments to make for or against immigration. There are arguments to make about the optimal levels of immigration. There are humanitarian arguments. There are even cultural arguments. But whatever the case, they should be grounded in reality. For example, the is no serious "open border" conversation. It literally doesn't exist. But that's language we see used over and over again. Real debates and real policies aren't interesting enough?

You're very confused. Third world countries have unelected dictators who place themselves above the law. This is not "third world" behavior. This is the way things work in a nation of laws. Rich, poor, powerful or powerless, all are meant to be held to the same standard. Neither being a president nor running for the office puts one above law, but that is what you are arguing. Trump has broken many laws, betrayed his oath of office and betrayed the American people. For all of this, he's being prosecuted, not persecuted.

In your view, how many votes does one require to achieve immunity from the law? How many to get a free pass on an attempted coup?

If they have been granted asylum, they are neither undocumented nor "illegal."? And people granted asylum still aren't eligible for 5 years. Most of which must be spent working (unless they have some other means of support) and paying into the system. ETA: You're sort of selling Reagan's "welfare queen" boogeyman, which wasn't true then and isn't true now. People aren't just waltzing across the border into a life of taxpayer supported leisure. Just isn't a real concern.

He (and many others) was contrite in the day of sentencing, but no other day. Can't blame a guy for trying though?

Speaking of reality... Undocumented immigrants aren't eligible for "welfare systems such as food stamps." Many pay taxes and pay into these systems without being eligible to benefit from them. Argument sort of falls apart, no?

OFFS, yes, you twit. Of course they are two different things. That's why "sedition" is one word and "seditious conspiracy" is two words. The latter has a noun (conspiracy) that is described by an adjective (seditious). You seem to think that sedition REQUIRES a conspiracy. That's simply not the case. Sedition exists on its own as a noun just fine. Someone can be engaged in sedition. It could be used an adjective to describe many nouns. Seditious rant. Seditious literature. Seditious conspiracy. Seditious mob. This is how the English language works. Save yourself further embarrassment and look up the definition of sedition. (The speaking or writing of words that are likely to incite ordinary people to public disorder or insurrection.) Then decide whether you really want to keep arguing that the mob wasn't seditious. (You shouldn't. It's an asinine argument.)

There absolutely is a MAGA cult. A US President tried--in plain view of every American--to overturn an election loss and seize power. He made a lot of unfounded claims and excuses on the way to doing so, but ultimately that's what he did. Think about the gravity of that. How extreme and unimaginable it would have been just 10 years ago when Donald Trump was more appropriately cast as a reality TV star. Back then, if someone had told you that an American president would attempt a sort of coup to stay in power, you probably would have laughed. That was inconceivable. Something that only happened in failing or less developed countries. Yet here we are. Consider this: Among those who plan to vote for Trump, 71% feel that what he tells them is true — higher than the results for friends and family (63%), conservative media figures (56%) or religious leaders (42%). Isn't that remarkable? A lifelong huckster and fabulist, who has, beyond any question lied to you thousands of times, run scam businesses, stolen from his own charity, and been demonstrably untrustworthy in so many other ways, is more trusted than friends and family? People are sending him money like he's a televangelist--and in many ways he is. And what's even more amazing is that it wasn't just believing him in the heat of the moment when passions were high. Now, years later, after people like Giuliani and Sidney Powell have admitted in court that they lied--that they simply made the stuff up--you people still believe it. After FOX news behind-the-scenes emails plainly state they they knew they were lying to you, you still believe it. It boggles the mind. Politics would be saying that the Democrats have the wrong ideas and we need a Republican in the White House at all costs. A cult is saying that this one unsavory character is the primary source of truth, forgiving his assault on your democracy and all other transgressions, denying obvious wrongdoing and trying to put him back in power. That's not politics anymore. It's a straight up cult. If he had a compound on a farm somewhere, those people would be dressed in white robes drinking whatever kind of Kool-Aid he mixed up. Instead, he wants the White House.

Notice how you posted a definition of "seditious conspiracy" rather than "sedition" or "seditious"? Go look up the latter and get back to me. (This will no doubt result in you searching dictionary after dictionary for some way to salvage your argument.) Someone goading his neighbor toward overthrowing the government is indeed seditious.

I've never seen a mob that wasn't trying to recruit new members. This particular mob was full of people egging one another on to insurrection. This mob was full of people who were demonstrably engaged in sedition, on the streets, on social media, on videos taken that day. It was full of people shouting about 1776, and taking back the country and killing Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. Not all mobs are seditious, but because the target was the US legislature, this one surely was. Sorry, you still can't manage to catch on. Enjoy obsessing about this phrase for several more years and spam posting it here.

Nobody's "hot" for illegal immigration. That's part of the We have a legal (and moral) obligation to process asylum seekers. And if we adhere to legal processes, it becomes legal immigration. And legal immigration is valuable. We have labor shortages in key industries across the country. Sure we have shortages of manual labor, but it's not only the unskilled who flee situations like what's happing in Venezuela. We also have shortages of skilled labor that we should be addressing. We have a shortage of nurses. We have a shortage of doctors. We have a shortage of teachers. There are programs in place to skill, upskill and reskill, but these haven't closed the gap. Let's get some H-1B style visas going, esp. for skilled asylum seekers.

Congrats. You've hit deplorable rock bottom.

For the same reason that e-verify isn't mandatory and why they rarely punish employers of illegal immigrants. Because their business interests are desperate for cheap labor, and because taking active steps to solve the problem would deprive them of a wedge issue to rile up the rubes. They have no interest in changing either of those factors.

AFAIK, you are the only person on the planet who thinks that sedition and insurrection are mutually exclusive. The rest of us already know they are wholly compatible. A person could be engaged in one, the other or both. And yes, it's only been 2.5 years. We expect it'll take you a while longer still to catch up.

Lol. You don't follow "truth," you follow your feelings. And it's a first class fool who believes his feelings over the hard data of the real world. You're boasting about what is, in essence, an inability and unwillingness to learn. That's not a recipe for survival. Like the Dodo bird, you're awkwardly stepping toward your own extinction.

Haven't had TV service for most of the last 15 years. Don't watch CNN and never have. And I don't worship anything. But I am capable of academic research and working to that standard. I am capable of finding, reading and understanding most original sources. You should try it sometime. How about this, instead crafting a search phrase designed solely to confirm your bias, why don't you try a general informational search? That way instead instructing Google to scrape up op-eds from bizarre outliers and weird sites you can survey the breadth of actual information.

? Oh my goodness. It's like a live laboratory experience to see if Trump is actually capable of learning. Every time he repeats this behavior the rat will get a bigger shock. Guess we'll see if there's a dollar limit to how much he likes defaming Carroll.

Sure you will.

No, I definitely think you are NOT debating. You're not equipped for it. I think you mostly come on a here to vent about your senses and feelings and shake your fist at the sky in impotent fury. Meanwhile, the modern, fact-based world moves on without you.