Americana Antifa

Wait, are you saying being a fascist or a nazi should be illegal? I'm just asking what beliefs you think define these ideologies. Are you saying you don't know or that only law enforcement should decide?

Yes. Depends on the context. I guess you think it's okay if only BLACKS use it, huh? We talking nigger or nigga? I think it's okay for everyone to say nigga. With nigger or any other racial slur, context matters a lot more. If we're just talking about slurs and language, I think it's okay. It's not like anyone is being harmed. Plus, they're not giving it to all black people. In order to be eligible, you have to be descended from people who were living there during a certain time. It would be kinda like giving reparations to the descendants of people who were put into internment camps during WWII. If that happened, it probably wouldn't go to ALL Americans of German, Italian, or Japanese descendent. Just the ones whose ancestors were affected.

So just so I'm understanding here, you would never recognize someone as a fascist or a nazi? You think that's up to law enforcement?

Would universal basic income involve needing to shred the Constitution? How about free housing?

That's definitely something I do.

My dude, if you think Fox isn't completely unhinged, I don't know what to tell you. And no, being left-wing on a few issues doesn't mean you can't be a Fash. Nobody fits perfectly into any political label. Serious question here. What is your definition of fascism and of nazism? Please define both and include what traits a person must have to be a fascist or a nazi.

Hey, I didn't say I like Nationalist. I said he doesn't come across like a psychopath, the way the other fashies here do. WestCanMan, Cdnfox, and reason10 are truly unhinged.

Did you not finish reading the post? You asked why we need Antifa if we have those groups. My answer is that those groups deal in law, which is fine, but Antifa deals in using protests to block fascists from promoting fascism. One of the reasons fascism is part of mainstream American politics now is because Americans failed to keep them from normalizing fascism as a legitimate political position. Most Americans aren't authoritarians, but Americans generally don't take the threat of authoritarianism as seriously as Europeans do. Now I wonder why that is. ?

Who do you think I didn't do well against? If you mean that after a while I gave up, well yeah, I'm not going to repeat the same points while the person I'm talking to just ignores them and goes back to their bad faith talking-points. And let's be real, that's what every conservative here does. Though I will agree that Zeitgeist and Nationalist don't come across quite as psychotic as the other fascists here.

Interesting how the top four states are also the four most populated states. I'm guessing this is just a population problem and both parties have failed to handle homelessness.

So here's how I see it. Those groups deal in law and they don't want to make it illegal to be authoritarian, which I agree with. I don't support laws against "thought crimes" or anti-hate speech laws or anything like that. However, this means we're going to have situations where fascists legally march in order to promote fascism. We can get into why this is bad, how it actually does succeed in spreading fascism, and all that. For now, I'll just say that we need Antifa to prevent these people from marching, which can and is done legally through sit-ins. This happens in East Germany all the time and I wish it was more common in America. Because all that does is help normalize and spread fascism as an acceptable political ideology. The only time fascists should be allowed to publicly speak is in a debate format where an anti-fascist can destroy their points, then mock and humiliate them for being weak and stupid. And even then, we have to be careful with who we platform in a debate setting, how we go about debunking their points, and such. Look at it like this. MAPs want pedophilia to be seen as an acceptable sexuality along with heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality. And the rest of us are saying no, we understand we can't make it illegal to be attracted to kids, but we're not going to accept pedophilia the way we accept those other sexualities. This one sexuality, when acted upon, does too much harm. Well, it's similar with authoritarianism. I disagree with communism and liberalism, but I think they should still be acceptable ideas that we can discuss in a more relaxed setting. But authoritarian ideologies should not be seen as acceptable.

It's fine to say Ukraine is corrupt. But by saying "Ukraine and Russia are both corrupt," you're equating Russia's fascism with Ukraine's imperfect democracy. You might have noticed that Tucker Carlson used to openly support Russia, saying he hopes they win, praising Putin, and so on. But when it turned out that most normies are siding with Ukraine, he switched up his game. Now he doesn't openly side with Russia, instead whenever talking about the war, he just talks about corruption on "both sides." The point of this is to defend Russia by basically saying it's just another country with problems, like Ukraine. It normalizes Putin's politics.

Like I said before, when the vast majority of conservatives are authoritarian, we have to accept that conservatism is an authoritarian ideology like nazism and stalinism. And that's not even considering the fact that conservatism was founded as a forced compromise with democracy, plus conservatives opposed every social justice movement. Trumpism is just conservatism on crack.

My dude. How many times do I have to say I don't think you're a fascist? My point has always been that by equating anti-fascists and fascists, you're helping to normalize fascism. Just like how people that say "Ukraine and Russia are both corrupt" are helping to normalize Putin's fascism. I actually came across this meme a little while ago. Totally reminds me of you.

This is what I mean. In order to criticize Antifa, y'all have to talk about the fringe cases. Conservatives do the same thing during every civil rights movement. If I want to criticize the Right, I don't need to obsess over fringe cases. I can just point to their elected politicians and mainstream media pundits. Because while there are extremists on the Left, the Center, and the Right, it's only on the Right that the extremists are so common that they get elected to office or become mainstream pundits.

Whenever a conservative says this, the examples they give are always lies from right-wing media, like that the Left wanted to cancel Mr Potato head.

I was referring to Mandatory Palestine. During this time, Jews and Arabs in the region got along much better than now. It wasn't perfect, there were still religious arguments over whether the land should be ruled by Judaism or Islam. But it was better than it is now, where war crimes happen every day.

Because you seem to be unable to understand that human beings are individuals. If Egypt attacks Israel, it's stupid to say, well the Egyptian government is run by Muslims, so that means we need to have an apartheid country to keep the Muslims here contained. Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

But we're talking about him speaking on his depression, which destigmatizes having depression. Him missing days is another issue.

Yes, there is a blockade and war crimes. No, it's not a war. A war is two countries with militaries fighting each other. What's happening in Israel is an apartheid situation. I'm a leftist, not a liberal. Projection. You're assuming Muslims are just genetically programmed to hate Jews without considering the situation Israel has created. You're the one not looking at both sides of the situation. I want the blockade to end, for Palestinians to be treated equally in Israel, and for the Israeli government to pay reparations to the families that lived in Gaza. If the idea of having Arabs in Israel is just so horrible, then Israel should allow a two state solution.

You're talking about Arabs like they're a small group of people. There are many different Arab nationalities and populations. When Palestine was a country, the Arabs and Jews there got along well. Arabs in countries like Egypt or Saudi Arabia are a different story with different conditions. See, this is what I mean. You're legit treating the entire Muslim world as one group of people. This would be like saying China is justified in oppressing Christians because the KKK is Christian. Israel's blockade is not justified because other Muslim population attacked Israel. Very little.

So basically, Israel's blockade and constant war crimes have created a situation that breeds hatred in the Palestinian population. So what if, and I'm just spitballing here, Israel ends the blockade and starts treating Palestinians like human beings? Would that help to end the conditions that create terrorists?

Fantastic. So we agree that society hasn't gone too far in destigmatizing abnormal mental conditions.

Is that a thing that happens?

Is destigmatizing depression ok?