Venandi

This is the grid reference where mindless pro-vax rhetoric (and ridicule) goes to die. When it comes to thoughtful assessments of the risk factors attending mandatory vaccination (sports and the like) in the 0-19 age group, the most intelligent pro-vax response I've heard to date is: Blah, blah, blah, same old and worn out blah blah blah LOL Honourable mention goes to this pearl of wisdom: Do you need to speak to the manager, Karen?

I see them as liberal lite and I'm not surprised by the hard right turns we are seeing in Europe now. It's like "what did you think was going to happen?" Got to run, those private schools cost money... Cheers

I'm not sure of the dynamics there, but when it reaches extreme levels, it always seems to create a visceral fight or flight reaction. I chose flight and I don't see going back now. It just seems so unnecessary and easy to avoid... take yes as an answer then mind your own business, live your life and leave others to do the same. Alienating former allies by stomping on the goodwill and tolerance freely offered just seems like a tactical blunder to me. I now fear that the Conservatives aren't conservative enough... it took a lot of work to get me there and there may just be others. Did anyone consider that? It takes us right back to those tactical blunders and unintended consequences that could have been so easily avoided... essentially by taking the win graciously and extending the same tolerance that served up that win to those who helped achieve it.

That's fine and dandy, but IMO cancelling women (for lack of a better phrase) in support of a minuscule segment of the population is bad enough, but watching women do it to themselves (and each other) strikes me as (dare I say) "bizzaro" My grandkids are in private schools now because of this stuff and I've made a hard right turn that I didn't expect to... ya, might just be me but I don't think I'm alone in that. I can now say that (for me), the discussion is over and I've come to regret my previous level of tolerance and support (in principal) for the goodwill that it took to create a situation where I would come to view the public school system abhorrent. There's a price to be payed for that but I consider it worth going back to work for. Frankly, I feel duped, I know that might just be me... but what if it isn't? What if other parents have had enough, what if they chose private options or form home schooling cooperatives and flee the public system for the same reason? Not only doesn't the public system reflect my values, it's become the direct polar opposite of them, and there's no going back now. I never thought that supporting those seeking the tolerance, acceptance and goodwill that should have been theirs by right of birth would spawn creatures of tyranny. I'm reminded of the quote from the final chapter of "A Tale of Two Cities:" "Long lines of the new oppressors." There may be some unintended consequences en-route here.... what happens if our choice as a family becomes a popular/common choice across the board?

I keep wondering when we will learn that. Western people seem to think that everyone else in the world wants what they want and have the same values (mostly liberal now) as they do. Well, they don't... and it's the sort of thinking that leads to poor political topography assessments and foreign policy failures. Even at the micro level it isn't popular. Try donning a blue hat and explaining this to village elders in Africa: 'https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/primary-school-drops-women-for-people-with-a-uterus IMO, there's only one cure for this and it's extended vacations in the country you plan to force your wisdom on. Anyone not prepared to do that can streamline the experiment by going to the Legion, finding a veteran with lots of medals and see if they agree with your excellent plan. You never know... but my guess is that they won't.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/primary-school-drops-women-for-people-with-a-uterus At every turn it seems to me that women take the brunt of this, it also seems as if they're doing it to themselves. It's mostly women who are making women invisible, and in the process they're losing sports scholarships and getting mowed down on the soccer field. It's them who face the change room dilemma, they have uncut males incarcerated with them in penitentiaries and they're the ones who suffer the safety concerns that go along with all of that. Guys seem to be missing out here, take the gym for instance.... where are the fit young women who now identify as gay trans men? This seems a little lopsided and unfair.... I took a poll at the gym and the general consensus is that they're more than welcome in our change / shower room and we have all the menstrual products they could ever need to prove it. So where are they?

A matter of picking the date perhaps. Here's a hundred at first glance. Half way there...

Given the current security classification of the investigation and source documents, if you are trying to get to the bottom of this and hold individuals (and the government) accountable, then there's a simple choice to be made. Either you attempt to reverse engineer known facts already in the public domain and thus are essentially Or you know exactly what happened and exactly what they did but not only can't you hold them accountable, you can't even say a word about it. If you see knowing the unreacted details as a simple function of leadership within a national party then you probably want PP read in. If you want him silenced you do too. if you want the opposition party to hold the governing liberals to account in a public manner then you don't. There's no other available options here. Personally, I want the opposition party to hold the liberals accountable and to ask the questions I would ask if I had the venue to ask them. That's especially true now that we have little in the way of media types actually doing that. Parroting things widely circulated in open source reports isn't a breach, but since you seem to be asserting that it is, are you also suggesting that Jag be charged? If you aren't, how do you square that circle?

Further acknowledgement that it actually exists.... more progress. Well done.

And I can smell it from here, it's fresh, warm and squishy, the mark of recent passage for those who can read sign; take a moment, smell it, taste it, take note of the moisture content. Next time around my hope is that you'll recognize the taste and texture. Start with large animals, throw in wet conditions, dry conditions, known time of passage. Eventually you'll build a repertoire of experience based on critical examination of the clues... then you can progress to smaller critters, and become wiser for the doing of it. A wise man once said: The more advanced you become in tracking, the less time you spend looking at tracks.”

Cool, it's a measure of progress in and of itself. Wasn't long ago the idea that acquired immunity was robust enough to matter was being ridiculed. It was once the exclusive domain of tinfoil hatters, MAGA Trumpers, and rabid anti-vaxxers and now POOF, it's being quoted (with impunity BTW) as undisputed evidence against them.

It's not a difficult concept to hoist aboard, since there's no brain deficit at play here IMO (making up spin like that takes effort and creativity) it's simply partisan posturing. Being in a national leadership role and not knowing the details is an unfortunate byproduct of the docket classification, but being read in extinguishes any possibility of holding the government to account or commenting on the nature of the alleged offences...that's his job, and it used to be the job of the media too. Saying things already in the public domain via open source reports/opinion columns and CSIS itself hardly qualifies as a security breach, and if Jag were challenged on it that's exactly what he would say. Ironically, were that to happen, it's also what the people currently talking nonsense would default to as well. I don't even see the point of trying to make the point. If folks here are asserting that he broke the law then having him arrested, charged and jailed is the next logical step and they (themselves) should be demanding it.

You and many others. If you are bound by rules in the act and thus unable to comment as journalist, politician or whatever then all discussion ends. Really, you've answered your own question and made my point in the process. I want political leaders asking questions, I want journalists asking questions and seeking answers. I want them to ask the same questions I would ask if I had the venue to do it. And that's why I don't want them read in. Simple eh?

I might have missed it and I'm too busy to go searching... what information contained in the classified report did he release?

That's it in a nutshell for me, or at least it was. Taking a run at churches seems like a tactical blunder to me. Frankly, I feel a bit duped by all of this and have come to regret the previous level of tolerance and goodwill I once defended on their behalf. It's gotten to the point that I'm now ready for that hard right turn and my only fear is that the conservatives won't be conservative enough. That's why I question the bullying tactics here, what do they hope to gain by alienating the very people who once supported reasonable accommodations in the spirit of goodwill and tolerance? I think I'm pretty moderate by nature, they really had to work overtime to make me regret it, and since it took a deliberate and sustained effort, there must have been some potential gain in mind. What was it? Seems like a loss to me...

The counter is that political performance, especially in opposition, becomes impossible once you're read into the information itself. Once read in, you are forever legally bound by the security classification emblazoned on the file docket and at the top and bottom of every single page the docket contains. It doesn't enable conversation / debate.... it ends it with finality. The legal duty to preserve the integrity of the classified material applies to all parties, it applies across the board, and it applies until such time as the contents are declassified by lawful authority. In the realm of things that might be characterized as non political, if you've ever wondered why ex-military members (who choose to participate in public forums) never comment on the specific details of specific operations they were personally involved in, this is that. The duty to protect the classified information you were once privy to outlives the careers of those read in so resigning and singing isn't an option either. It's pretty simple...

Here's an example of activists trying to force Catholic school boards to adopt a position contrary to their religious beliefs on that very subject. https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/forcing-pride-on-catholic-schools-isnt-diversity Putting aside the question of who's right, who's wrong, and who will eventually prevail, I think the public optics here are just horrid and any potential win comes at a such a high cost that it renders the fight itself wildly counterproductive. This is what creates backlash, fuels division, creates polarization, leads to winner take all elections, and causes previously tolerant and good natured people to make hard right turns in the search for a return to common sense. A lot of gains have been made here so why not just take yes as an answer and avoid the looming backlash altogether? All that's required is extending the same tolerance and good will that enabled those gains to many of the people who supported them in the first place. All you had to do to lock in those gains was not be crazy... and you couldn't do it. I call it bad tactics when the worst thing for your cause is a win.

I think that's exactly what creates and nurtures the eventual backlash on this and a number of other issues too. People in Europe aren't going hard right because they're anti immigration... they're anti crazy. You would think that the people who clearly made great gains in a short period would be less inclined to alienate those who helped them achieve it... if for no other reason than to avoid a backlash of their own making. There's this curious mixture of in your face disrespect, passive-aggressive ridicule, intolerance and outright aggressiveness in the air. You can see that right here in the forum. Whether true or not / fair or not, a pampered minority is being seen to deliberately cross the street in order to scream FU in the face of (what most would assert to be) the most tolerant majority in human history. That FU invariably gets you the same thing in return, it makes people feel that they were duped by their own voluntary expression of tolerance and good will, it makes them regret having done it and they vote to rid themselves of craziness. They aren't anti gay, they're anti f------ crazy. Then comes the predictable pushback but this time, when you bring your petition to the people who would have previously supported it, you find that the goodwill and tolerance that buoyed your gains now fuels your losses. All you had to do to keep that from happening was to extend the same tolerance you demanded for yourself to those who gave it to you in the first place... and not be crazy. After the point of total saturation, any increase in craziness is easily shed without reflection or regret. I would have thought that not being bat s&^% crazy was an easy ask, turns out I was wrong though... and for that reason, and that reason alone, I won't be signing your petition next time.

Forcing... maybe not. You certainly can't force me, but I don't like to see people who don't share those values pressured either, and it doesn't matter who they are. IMO, liberals and Muslims shamelessly used each other for political expediency, now that liberals are finding out that Muslims don't actually share their woke values, their heads are exploding. It's becoming far too common a question for the woke crowd: "what did you think was going to happen"? So never mind forcing, there should be no pressure and no coercion either. The sort of pressure applied is usually more subtle than in the video, but it's also more common in the school system than many think.

That support is old news and it doesn't change who did what. They started with foreign made rockets routed through Sudan and smuggled via Egypt. Then they moved on to domestic production supplemented with smuggled components. There's a whole history here, it's open source and you can read all about it... no time travel required. But who pulled the trigger and who did the do? Who went room to room and house to house systematically killing and raping as they went? That's who I hold to account and from what I saw of the videos there was a distinct shortage of ethnic Chinese folks in attendance. Louisville slugger might have made the bat but they didn't steal your wallet, give you the concussion or defund the police. Are the people who voted for defunding responsible for your concussion or was it the bat wielding felon who was out on bail for two previous batting infractions? He might not have been able to do that without liberals repeatedly setting him free, but even the staunches of conservatives knows who it was that swung the bat. Good, we can move past the history lessons then, IMO it's long past time to grab reality by the throat ... those dinosaur eggs were never going to hatch anyway.

Get in your time machine and fix it then, in the mean time, everyone else will struggle along with the situation as it exists on the ground. If the machine is still broken and you can't fix those past sins then get over it and learn to deal with the reality of here and now because that's all ya got.... there ain't nothing else to be done. Speaking of Here's a quote for ya: The past is a place of reference, not a place of residence; the past is a place of learning, not a place of living. Hamas started it, no one else, it was Hamas.... and they were pretty damn proud of it all too, remember that? So, if you're fond of "squirming around a ridiculous non sequitur" then just blame everyone but the people who actually did start it. Do you still seriously believe that because commuting Palestinian labourers didn't know about the attack that it stands as proof Iran did it? Sounds like the very definition of non sequitur to me. Please... if you have evidence that suggests Hamas wasn't involved in this bring it forward.

Come on now... did you really expect that commuting labourers would be privy to this? Stand it on its head and Imagine if none of those labourers showed up. Pattern of life is a key element of intelligence gathering and little things add up... that wouldn't be little, it's bloody huge. Israeli intelligence missed it and Hamas fighters never found out until the day of. It was deliberate and premeditated, few knew the details, nothing was left to be leaked. It was carefully planned too, systematically going door to door murdering and raping all occupants wasn't an accident either. Where are the Covid boosters who always asserted that decisions have consequences? They seem to have gone quiet.

Cool, finally something that I can agree with. Sometimes picking sentences at random adds a level coherence that would otherwise be missing.

Good Lord, I sometimes wonder if we've collectively (and irretrievably) lost the middle ground and are doomed to stagger back and forth between the extremes. The scorched earth and "crush your enemies" approach shouldn't be adopted as nominal unless you really do want to stagger back and forth on a well worn trail with only hard left and hard right turns available to you. There's a full 270 degrees on the compass rose that gets missed in the blur of those turns and it comes with predictable opportunity costs. There may come a time when we view the simple act of living our own lives in freedom and without someone else's norms and ideals stuffed down our throats as the good old days. I already do. The freedom to do just that was already bought and paid for, yours by right of birth and all ya had to do in order to keep it was..... nothing. It's breathtaking to me that people are simply incapable of minding their own business and leaving others alone. Ride your own horse, enjoy the warmth of the sun, feel the rush of the wind, just leave my f------ horse alone. And stop voting for Conan and then complaining that the lamentations of the women are too loud, that they keep you awake at night and then enacting laws to restrict the lamentations you created in the first place. If military service was mandatory, and people were compelled to complete 3 foreign deployments each, the most common question in Canada would be WTF did you think was going to happen?

For me it is simple. As simple as you do you and mind your own business. I have to do nothing, that's the point, and you will have a hard time compelling me to wear that jersey. Clearly you understand what I'm saying.