Infidel Dog

No. The first case was December 11 in China. The French case you're talking about was December 27. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/heal-the-mind-heal-the-body/202005/was-covid-19-already-in-france-last-december 14 patients were tested. They had flu like symptoms but tested negative for flu. One was an Algerian immigrant whose son had experienced similar symptoms but had not been hospitalized. He was the only one of the 14 who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19. The French team of Deslandes and Cohen published their results in the International Journal of Antimicrobial agents in early May. They cautioned: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920301643 However they believe they took necessary precautions in hopes of avoiding a false negative.

I know this. As a possible person of Chinese extraction, terms like "Kung flu" or "Chi-Com" don't bother me but I take that ugly racist slur used as clickbait in the title of this thread as an outrage. And Trump didn't use it but you did, Godzilla. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Whoah...what's in your title to this thread didn't happen. It's not like it's even up for interpretation. It flat out didn't happen. I've seen sleazy, clickbait, partisan exaggerations in titles before but WTF? That's an outright flaming, libelous, lie. There's even a video in the link that shows it's a lie. Why would anybody think he'd get away with a lie like that?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/iran-fires-missile-on-own-ship-during-training-exercise-killing-one-sailor/ Careful now, Iran. Don't want to wipe out your navy before you declare war.

i wouldn't know. I havent' a clue who's who at the zoo here, yet. Anybody could be either side of that as far as I know. It's just something I've noticed that happens elsewhere and felt like sharing.

"A defeatist attitude?" Is that what you call it? I call it paying attention to the lessons history tries to teach us.

The eye of Big Brother only goes one way. You don't watch it. It watches you.

It isn't one size fits all. South Korea took precautions after MERS. They were ready for the ChiComm. For example, I believe they shut the borders early and were quick with tests as they had the structure in place and ready. If you're recommending that would be a model to follow for next time I won't argue with you. I don't want Big Brother in my webcam someday though.

The immediate danger wouldn't be be that it ,specifically, becomes permanent - only that increased surveillance become circumstantially acceptable for the future. Modern Big Brother is incremental.

Getting your gang together for a little cancel culture are you? I used to call it the 'Kung flu,' but elsewhere you guys came at me with your bogus slur of 'racist' so rather than bicker I decided to put the blame more precisely where it deserved to be - on the Chinese Communists. You're not going to try to tell me Chinese Communists are a race are you?

Are you trying to make the 'slippery slope' argument for us? That the problem with increasing surveillance is there are always people - often on the top - who want more.

There are problems with Quillette's endorsement of New Zealand as a model in general. First of all, New Zealand claimed it would be relaxing restrictions this week. The recommendation seems to be increasing restrictions here based on New Zealand's fatality rate. In BC our curve is flattening pretty good too. The fatality rate was always low and is decreasing. Why would we want more Big Brother to increase restrictions at this point? New Zealand has a low fatality rate. Is that necessarily a result of their tough restrictions? These tougher restrictions in New Zealand only began a month ago. New Zealand is a Southern island country coming out of seasonal summer with low population density. There are only 5 million people in a small country where tests are easier to acquire and administer. Because the ChiComm virus is often asymptomatic the more tests you can administer the lower your fatality rate might be. But if Quillette wants to get hung up on fatality rates America has a better one than Canada. I'd recommend following their model but with the exception of the larger number of tests we're able to acquire per capita we already appear to be following America's model. Just a couple of weeks to a month behind is all.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/08/supreme-court-ruth-bader-ginsburg-encouraging-immigration/ And "Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a liberal stalwart of the bench, wrote the high court’s opinion." She pretty much wagged her finger at the left-flavored 9th circuit and chastised them hard like a 90 year old dominatrix. That was odd...I think. I wonder how this affects the idea of sanctuary cities. Having a law like this in Canada might be something to think about. Have to wait for the next administration though.

It is interesting though. This thing being called "thread hijacking" here seems like a thing I've seen elsewhere under a different term. The 'strawman argument.' What I've seen happen elsewhere goes something like this - one member appears to be winning an argument with superior reasoning and weight of evidence. The other beleaguered and blatantly beaten member who initiated the original argument deflects to a tangential topic he feels more comfortable with. He creates a strawman he feels he'll have better luck attacking. The other guy was most likely bored thumping the guy around the block on the original topic and it seems done anyway so he follows the guy over to his strawman argument and proceeds to thump him there too - at which point the thumpee accuses him of creating a strawman. It always reminds of high school fights where a guy gets invited out after school to battle behind the bleachers, thumps the provoker but gets caught fighting and gets punished - it would seem - for being the winner. The loser walks. Judging such things always seems arbitrary and often wrong to me. In fact...have I just hijacked this thread? If I have, I apologize. It wasn't my intention. I just thought my observation was interesting, is all. But if I get judged for it I will feel wronged.

I was watching Trey Gowdy be interviewed. He says Schiff can't be held accountable legally in any way. He has immunity. Would that include impeachment? Can a congressman be impeached? i don't know. Kind of sucks, if he can't be held accountable to anybody but the voters of Commiefornia, because everything he did pretty much adds up to treason. I mean, let's face it. That whole collusion delusion and everything connected to it adds up to an attempted coup.

Canada also lagged behind here: Here: And here: Also I'm curious what you mean specifically by Trudeau let the Scientists lead where Trump did not. The cases I can think of where that was the case weren't necessarily a mistake. Not necessarily taking the WHO and China's word for how serious the problem was in China for example.

I can only speak for myself and the specific category I spoke of was titled "Implementing travel restrictions." A restriction is not necessarily an outright ban. Restrictions most certainly did happen. Canada lagged behind the US on them and they were not the only response to the virus where that was the case. As told to you 3 times now without being given any truthful, coherent or relevant reason to doubt the veracity of the specific information, there are more here: https://tnc.news/2020/04/01/trudeau-trailed-behind-trump-by-days-and-even-weeks-in-coronavirus-response/ I'll tell you what though, if you're having problems with that one let's try the Edmonton Journal: They tell us that on March 13 Justin said this: Then on March 16 this happened: https://edmontonjournal.com/news/national/the-road-to-canadas-covid-19-outbreak-pt-3-timeline-of-federal-government-failure-at-border-to-slow-the-virus/ So were there "travel restrictions?" Yes there were. Did Canada's lag behind America's? Yes they did.

Nonsense. The thread title is not "Did Trudeau kill 4,000 people. It asks if he failed his country regarding Covid-19. Some want to compare Trudeau's response to Trump's. At the moment I'm considering that one. If you would like specific claims on where Trudeau's response lagged behind Trump's I would direct you, once more, here: https://tnc.news/2020/04/01/trudeau-trailed-behind-trump-by-days-and-even-weeks-in-coronavirus-response/

I have no idea. I never made that assumption.

If you'd like the specifics it went like this: https://tnc.news/2020/04/01/trudeau-trailed-behind-trump-by-days-and-even-weeks-in-coronavirus-response/

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/05/the-left-is-not-going-to-like-this-but-trump-has-been-proven-right-over-and-over-again-n388261 In fact, Trudeau was one of those guys suggesting travel bans were "Racist," then later decided they were a good idea and adopted them.

I would think the bigger problem would be people jumping to assumption without any kind of support. For example: there are those I mentioned who believe they've proven a claim Trump has been doing a terrible job dealing with this ChiComm virus yet they only seem capable of supporting that claim by repeating it over and over again. There are those like Democrat or just Never-Trumper governors who whine and whinge with claims of shortages of PPE or not enough tests - it's those I would ask to explain America's comparatively low fatality rate. Accident? Coincidence?

I'm thinking geography could explain that. When you have more concentrated areas you would expect more people to be infected. The percentage of people who don't die once infected however one would expect to go to treatment.

This is not to take sides in the debate you're having with eyeball - it's just an interesting little video I saw that offers explanation as to why Japan did better than most Western countries with protecting itself from the ChiComm virus. The proposal is, it's a cultural thing:

I watch these tongue-baths Justin gets from his bribed Canadian media versus the wild-eyed, hysterical squeals for a gotcha from what passes for American media and I wish either bunch would explain one statistic to me. Come to think of it the gullibles who seem to think they've proved something if they just keep repeating over and over how terrible America's reaction to the pandemic was versus the wonders of Justin's more China friendly reaction can feel free to explain this stat too. It's on this page: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/ Check the column that says fatality rate. Fatality rate is the percentage of infected who die. The last time I looked America was about # 20 in that group of 30 fatality rates. Canada was about a full percentage point worse than America.