Yzermandius19

When Boston got burned that bad, that's got to soften the blow a little. Schadenfreude will sustain you. No matter how badly the Leafs or Avs do in future drafts, it will pale in comparison to Boston in 2015.

I'm looking at 2015 NHL Draft right now, and just realized the Bruins passed on Mathew Barzal, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot to take Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk and Zachary Senyshyn. The Bruins could have been the muthaf*ckin sh*t right now, but instead they are just another contender and their window is nearly closed or already closed, womp womp. It's like they were trying to fail at the 2015 Draft, look how many teams knocked it out of the park, in an epic draft, and the Bruins miss that hard when they had three mid-first round picks, unbelievable. Bunch of losers.

So it's worth locking him out over $500k? Totally disagree, if he wants Matthews money and term, then he's being unreasonable, everything below $11 million is within reason. If Marner turns down $11 million over 5 years, then it's lock him out time, that would not be Shanahan's fault at all. Aho taking $8.4 million to make sure he got 5 years, probably lowered the price below $11 million anyway, so if Marner is taking 10.5 or less, and Shanahan refuses to give him five years, time to run Sheriff Shanny out of town.

He'll take 10.5 with no UFA years, $11 million at most, he might even take $9.5 or $10 million, if you give him the 5 years. The slightest of overpays by $500k to $1.5 million at most, is not worth running a guy of Marner's caliber out of town over. Be real.

Marner ain't going to cost that much more. He'll take a slight hit for a shorter deal, especially if he takes a bridge. Also Nylander hasn't put up 70 points yet, and Marner could put up more than 94 points going forward. Marner is younger and better, Marner is improving faster, Marner can drive a line, Nylander can't. Move Nylander if it's one or the other.

Siding with Nylander over Marner is foolish. How about Nylander has to go? Screwing a guy just because he didn't want to sign before Nylander even when he's way better is just silly. Just wait until Nylander hits a hot streak and trade him, don't sell low. Making Marner last man out, just because he's the last to sign is not logical. You don't throw superior players under the bus because you overpaid lesser players and don't want to admit to that mistake, so you make an even bigger mistake. That's how you don't win.

Avs sign Bowen Byram to an ELC. $925k AAV.

True, but having players who would be worth handing out 11 million dollar contracts to does get you closer to the cup. If you can pay them Volkswagen money, then you're really set to open up a contention window where a hot goalie can win you that cup. Shout out to Nathan MacKinnon, a Cadillac making Volkswagen money.

That's the real Harold Ballard Disease. I don't blame Ballard for exploiting it for his own gain, doing anything else would be hating money. It worked a lot better at winning championships when there was only six teams in NHL, post-expansion, not so much, who knew? That's the big difference between Smythe and Ballard.

On this occasion, the grass really is greener, on the side of the Clarity Act. Vive le Quebec libre, F*ck Confederation, Go ahead leave Alberta, please do.

Well when it comes to milking the Leafs despite not winning, he was certainly raking it in. Problem with the Leafs is, they make huge money regardless of whether they win or lose, so the incentive to win is basically non-existent compared to every other team in the NHL, and Ballard exploited the sh*t out of that dynamic.

I like the attitude when applied in a reasonable manner, like when it doesn't result in obvious self sabotage, there is such a thing as too much "f*ck you all" though, and that line is when you are f*cking yourself most of all, just to spite others. Pal Hal often took it way too far, it was a double-edged sword with him.

Filipovic is the king of hockey snark.

Dubas gets a pass, because it's clearly all Shanahan's fault if Marner gets run out of town. The moronic fan base will of course turn on Dubas, but I won't, like I say, he's the only one who knows what he's doing in this situation, everyone is either bluffing for negotiation leverage or crazy.

Both parties being insane is unlikely, and for the Leafs sake, you better hope it's all just negotiation tactics, and neither party is as hard as they fronting right now. If Shanny is that hard, time to bail on Toronto if you want to win and get paid at the same time, Bozak knows. I think both sides are bluffing, the media keep acting like this is Nylander all over again, but I'm not buying it. If either side isn't bluffing and they don't get the desired concessions, they are both retarded, and Harold Ballard is back with a vengeance.

If Shanny is just bluffing, that would make sense, but if he's not, he's literally insane, and he needs to be run out of town. It makes zero logical sense to lock out Marner, he is not asking for too much, or too long or short of a term, Shanny is the hold up, not Marner. Whatever deal Marner was willing to sign that Dubas was cool with, I bet that is totally reasonable, Shanny just wants to shave a little off it by playing chicken, but if he refuses to turn at the last second, he's a self sabotaging nutjob. If Shanny is insane and not bluffing, and I was Marner, and I wanted to win the Cup while getting paid, I'd just sign the bridge and start demanding a trade, because Toronto is going absolutely nowhere with Brendan Ballard running the show and handcuffing Dubas to prevent him from saving the team from itself.

None of the offer sheets are worth signing, they want to lowball him for his UFA years. It makes no sense for Marner to sign and then not get paid as much in UFA because he's almost 30. I have zero sympathy for Shanahan, let Dubas sign Marner or just f*ck off already. Kerfoot > Marner is crazy town. Johnsson > Marner is crazy town. Kapanen > Marner is crazy town. Ceci > Marner is crazy town. Brendan Shanahan has gone insane. He wants to pay dime a dozen guys instead of paying Marner anywhere near what he's actually worth. He gets butthurt he has no cap room when he's perfectly willing to pay guys that are much worse than Marner who are a dime a dozen and then wants to run Marner out of town in a fit of displaced anger for not having cap room. Shanahan has lost his damn mind.

He wants to play in Toronto, but he doesn't want to do it for pennies on the dollar, like you said a deal was ready to go, before Shanny drew a line in the sand. Shanahan doesn't want him to play in Toronto apparently, to the point he'd rather pay wingers who are a dime a dozen instead of Marner out of spite for not Mitchy wanting to let Shanny f*ck him in the ass. Harold Ballard Lives, his ghost has just possessed the body of Brendan Shanahan.

Going last doesn't mean he should get screwed and have to be the one to take one for the team. Being cool with paying Nylander while drawing a line in the sand and refusing to pay Marner is ridiculous mismanagement. You morons would rather pay Ceci, Kerfoot, Kapanen and Johnsson than keep Marner and have to trade one of them, that's insane, literally insane. Anyone advocating that strategy should be run out of town, not Marner. If you want cap room, run other guys out of town, not Mitchy because he won't bend over and take in the ass from Shanny, what in the f*ck? How you back Shanny in this scenario over Marner makes zero sense to me, I'm flabbergasted you would side with someone who would rather pay Kerfoot than Marner. If it came down to paying Johnsson, Kapanen and Kerfoot or Marner, and it can't be both, I'm siding with Mitchy all day, the other wingers are a dime a dozen, Mitch Marner is not. It's a helluva lot easier to replace those three than Mitchy.

If y'all wanted Marner to take one for the team, you had to make Nylander take one for the team, but now that you didn't, that means everyone who is more important than Nylander isn't going to take one for the team. Shanahan made that bed, and now he has to lie in it, or run Marner out of town to compound his previous mistakes out of spite. At this point, I'd rather run Shanahan out of town than Marner, f*ck Sheriff Shanny and his Harold Ballard wannabe strategy.

He isn't refusing to play ball though, Shanahan is. Expecting Marner to take one for the team, when Nylander didn't take one for the team, is asinine. Shanahan picks his battles like an emotional hot head indeed, the Shanaplan is a fraud, the only one who knows what they are doing is Dubas, Babcock and Shanahan are holding the team back.

If the deal is good enough for Dubas, and Marner is willing to sign it, clearly Marner is not the problem then, Shanahan is. Marner is being reasonable, Dubas is being reasonable, Shanahan is not. Shanahan is drawing the line in the sand, not Marner. Stop with scapegoating the wrong guy, if there is anyone worthy of being scapegoating in this scenario, it's Sheriff Shanny.

Marner increases their chances, writing that off because he's not a 1C or a 1G, is silly. Not maximizing your chances makes no sense, just because no winger will put them over the top by himself. If you don't have a superior alternative to spend the cap space on, then not spending it on Marner is foolish.

I don't have that faith. Point per game forwards don't grow on trees, there is no room for anymore top six centers, moneyball wingers are already crowding your top six, and then you got play Nylander in your top six too. Marner isn't replaceable, not realistically. You can use the cap room to make the defense better, but you can't replace that forward production without bringing in another ppg winger, simple as that. You said it yourself, there is no such thing as a third scoring line, bottom six wingers ain't going to make up for Marner, not happening.

You don't need it, but acting like it isn't a nice luxury and all wingers are created equal is taking things too far.