Dougie93

Canadian lefty pseudo intellectual paints himself into a corner, an embarrassment to the Liberal of Party Canada that is, doesn't even know the basics when it comes to the Liberal Party of Canada's sacred Charter. lol

Still waiting for you to show the text which actually proves your assertion "environmental safety" in any section in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the government of British Columbia cannot bring a charter challenge on behalf of a person because BC is a province not a person, and provinces don't have individual rights under the Charter of RIghts and Freedoms, nor do they need to invoke that simply to refuse the pipeline, as refusing the pipeline is entirely within their jurisdiction.

Uh-oh, looks like one of the Captain Liberal Party of Canada trolls has exposed himself as not actually knowing what is in the Charter, who knew?

Prove your assertion. So easy to do, Goggle the charter sections, show us the text, takes two seconds.

You can prove me wrong quite easily by posting the text of the section of the charter which mentions "environmental safety", ca'mon, lets see you do it, should only take a few seconds to find it by Google.

Ha ha, you're a laughable clown who keeps digging himself in deeper, but the sections of the charter are quite specific, there is absolutely no clause which guarantees that right

Nope. "Environmental safety" is not a charter right, show us the text of the section which mentions "environmental safety".

This is section 33 right here; Section 33. (1) Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15. (2) An Act or a provision of an Act in respect of which a declaration made under this section is in effect shall have such operation as it would have but for the provision of this Charter referred to in the declaration. (3) A declaration made under subsection (1) shall cease to have effect five years after it comes into force or on such earlier date as may be specified in the declaration. (4) Parliament or the legislature of a province may re-enact a declaration made under subsection (1). (5) Subsection (3) applies in respect of a re-enactment made under subsection (4). See anything about jurisdiction in there?

You have no idea what you're talking about, again, provinces do not have charter rights, only people have charter rights, Section 33 does not have anything to do with jurisdiction.

False. Anybody can Google it in two seconds if they don't believe me. Section 2, Section 7, Section 15, are the only sections of the constitution which section 33 can be invoked to overrule, those sections are only about overruling individual rights, nowhere in section 33 does it say they can overrule a Province.

You cannot use Section 33 (The Notwithstanding Clause) to ram through a pipeline, it can only be used to overrule certain sections of the charter related to individual rights, section 2, section 7, section 15, none of which covers refusing to allow a pipeline through.

He asked me what he should do in the face of trolling in another thread, so I'm trying to help the guy out. I don't mind your trolling, I mean, it's unoriginal, you need to come up with new stuff instead of just posting the same thing over and over again, but it doesn't bother me, knock yourself out.

That's all Liberal Party of Canada made up myth making propaganda, the Americans have their founding myth, Canada has one as well.

Yes, and America is a shotgun wedding as well, see; the Civil War. Americans do not worship Washington as Canadians worship Ottawa, the problem in America though, is the looming shadow of their Civil War which is cast over everything, they can't de-confederate without having a catastrophic war. Canada however, can do it quite peacefully and reasonably and in Canada the Constitution allows for it. America's constitution used to allow for it, but when the Confederate States invoked that clause, the Union crushed them. This is why they still have the Second Amendment, in case somebody crosses that line again. We never had a civil war, the Protestants and Catholics made a deal here so our civil war was averted, and the deal here still includes the right to vote yourself out of Confederation, in writing, now backed up by SCC ruling.

And this process is entirely consistent with our history because our history is British history and this is how the British Empire came apart and yet stayed together and now all functions much better as the loosely associated Commonwealth rather than the tyrannical British Empire. Just think of Canada as being a huge Empire onto itself, which it is, now simply see that Ottawa is the new London.

These four countries would also each have better military's than the unified Canadian military, and the heritage of the military would be maintained because the military units are regional based here, so the West would still have the Patrica's and Quebec would still have the Vandoos etc.

Fair enough, but BC can be its own Dominion then, there's no reason you have to be a big country, Singapore is a powerhouse and its smaller than Toronto.

See, if there were four countries here instead of one, the Dominions of Upper Canada, Western Canada, Atlantic Canada, and the Republic of Quebec, each of those countries would be real countries not Fake Countries, and so they would function much better and so ultimately be happier and more prosperous. They would still work together, it would still be a Customs Union and military economic alliance, but not at gun point in a shotgun marriage from Ottawa, because that is how Confederation was born. The colonies did not want to Confedeerate because they even at that time foresaw the dysfunction that would ensue, knowing that they had different interests, but they were forced together by the British in the panic over the Fenian Raids, because the Americans got so big in their Civil War, Britain was not going to mess with them, so they weren't coming to defend us. We were essentially kicked out of the British Empire against our wishes.

Because they are trapped in Confederation and so do not control their own destinies, crippled by the Ottawa dysfunction, they have little choice but to throw themselves on the mercy of it, because they can't fix anything when they have no influence over the direction of Confederation, and this is the same for the West, because the three large component areas of Canada do not have the same interests, in most cases their interests are diametrically opposed. Ontario and Quebec work together, perhaps, but Ontario, Quebec the Maratimes and West, is inherently dysfunctional.

I mean, If Margaret Thatcher can be brought down in a palace coup, any Prime Minister can be brought down in a palace coup.

Yes, but the ones who are not in Cabinet, the Backbenchers, all they have to worry about is winning their own ridings, for them this job is just government make work, they just hang out in Ottawa and get paid to shill for entrenched interests, but, so long as they win their own riding, they can do that for the Liberals or the Cons or the NDP, Trudeau has no particular leverage over the vast majority of MP's who know they almost have no chance of getting into Cabinet.

Trudeau is a weak leader, he really is Zoolander, everything the Harper Cons said about him is true, not ready for prime time, certainly in the big leagues beyond the borders of Canada, that doesn't mean the Cons were any better, but it is and was none the less true.

If you're Pierre Trudeau maybe, but Justin Trudeau doesn't have that kind of gravitas,

Due to the structure of Confederation, they have the West and the Maritimes locked out, the Eastern Urbane Elites rule absolutely, because they win two thirds of the elections and they always will, thus, if you're not one of them, you have no long term impact nor strategic relevance upon nor within this failed state American propped up zombie Confederation and in the end don't matter.

The national media and opinion makers are two thirds of the Canadian Public, the useful idiots of the Eastern Urbane Elites, there's like 20 million of them. If you're not one of them, you don't matter.