Dougie93

I am a citizen of both countries and I think America has a case Canada has been free riding on American national security for decades literally thumbing its nose at America, daring America to do something about it Canada also engages in widespread unfair protectionism Supply Management, Digital Services Tax, Online News Act, etcetera, Canadian banks are deeply involved in the US markets, American banks are banned from Canada Canada is soft on crime, soft on terrorism, soft on border security Canada immigration system is out of control and Canada acts a proxy for the Chinese in many ways

a prolonged war is a loss for Canada in order to win the war before it does catastrophic damage, it has to be shock & awe something which causes an immediate crisis in America something which actually spooks Trump into reversing course quickly America has a lot of oil, oil is not going to cause a crisis Doug Ford's threat of cutting states off from hydro electric power altogether that would have an immediate effect and would be a crisis

the scenarios being presented seem more like worst of both worlds the Feds talking about graduated retaliation in stages rather than shock & awe Doug Ford did invoke shock & awe with the threat to cut off hydro, but then he started wavering in terms of exports tariffs on oil, Alberta has a work around Alberta can buy the oil first, then sell it over the border, and Ottawa can't tariff a province

I'm curious to see how the population will react to this unserious yet crippling governance in a trade war bearing in mind that the American tariffs will be like a permanent recession while the Canadian retaliatory tariffs will be like permanent inflation ultimate stagflation scenario even worse, because governments will be taking in less revenue, there could be tax increases even worse on top ; because prices are rising, they could raise interest rates then factor in how the American government has spent the last decade making its economy much stronger while this Canadian government has spent the last decade deliberately crippling its own economy

Carlo Dade: Canada still woefully unprepared for a trade war with the U.S. Canadian foreign policy establishment remains wedded to an outdated vision of the U.S. relationship Carlo Dade, Special to Financial Post Published Jan 20, 2025 Back in September, this paper published an opinion piece entitled: “Why a U.S. global tariff is the real existential trade threat facing Canada: Canada must prepare for a world where the old trade playbook no longer applies.” In the intervening five and half months, Canada has done little, if anything, to prepare, and that inaction is now coming back to bite the country and the exporters who earn 30 to 50 per cent of provincial GDP from their exports to the U.S. Other than New Brunswick, these U.S. exports as a percentage of provincial GDP are highest out west, which is why western Canada has the most at stake and has been paying the most attention. Preparing for the second administration and the clear, explicit tariff promises — and, more importantly, policies developed by the America First movement — was and is a two-part job. Part one is to engage the Americans — not just to change minds about tariffs, but to understand the reasons and motivations of those proposing them. This entails actually listening to the tariff advocates, to take note of what they say, how they formulate their world view. This cannot be done if the sole motivation in engaging is to change minds. Engaging to listen is not the same as engaging to, from the perspective of the other side, elite-splain how things should work. You may not like or agree with the other point of view. But if you are to develop effective counter narratives and arguments, you first have to listen. Looking at the current discourse between Canadians and the tariff advocates in the America First movement, you see two groups talking past, not with, each other. https://financialpost.com/news/economy/canada-unprepared-trade-war-us

Canada has never fought a significant engagement on its own when Canada beat the Americans, or the Germans Canada was the bully, because Canada was the British Empire at the time

there's no need for violence, what violence was there in the Red Scare during the 1950's ? Practically none for everybody who wasn't a Communist, the 1950's was an idyllic golden age that was in fact why it was an idyllic golden age ; America cracked down on Communism

not necessarily take for example the greatest Fascist of them all ; Francisco Franco once he had consolidated power in Spain first he completely avoids the Second World War, enraging Hitler by refusing to go on a crusade then Franco courts America, becoming America's stalwart ally in the Cold War by the 1970s Fascist Spain had the richest economy in Europe, booming when everybody else was in crisis then he dies in his sleep, hero to his people, at 82 years of age

well contrary to the Progressive mythology, history is not linear on a one way trip to leftist utopia rather it is cyclical, to wit, this has all happened before we are in fact entering the Third Red Scare as we speak the BLM riots was the catalyst, George Floyd mania going off the rails, George Floyd as the Messiah that was one of the craziest mass hysteria's in American history now comes the reactionary backlash of equally historic proportions Donald Trump is not the end state, he is actually quite moderate Trump is not a big fan of the far right actually, Trump is a socially liberal Democrat at heart what comes after Trump will be far more ferocious methinks this is not limited to America, the right is on the march all over the world this is a global reactionary moment you see all these billionaires and corporations falling over themselves to appease Trump that is fear, they know that this is serious, they are looking for protection from the right like never mind the handful of leftists hanging out on this forum you don't encounter anybody like that on the streets practically every single person you meet is enraged at this Woke Progressive lunacy even on a college campus, the kids all despise it now

when the bully is more than ten times your size, and much fitter than you are, you just get beaten to a pulp

once Trudeau is out of sight out of mind, that could change really fast Trump is indeed throwing the Liberals a lifeline here basically the Liberals just have to offer to spend whatever it takes to prop the workers up pandemic style ; $600 billion, just for starters no limits, they won't worry about the debt, this is war, the Liberals will do whatever it takes

you do realize that the oil for Canadians does not come from Alberta you actually get your oil from Texas there is no pipeline from Alberta to the east the pipeline which feeds the east comes up from the USA through Ontario so an oil war is going to blow up in your face very quickly

Canadian academia has been churning out lunatic Marxists for years now they pretty much run every institution in Canada, particularly public sector and like all Communists, they've crippled the economy and left Canada on its knees it was basically fait accompli, and in fact Canadians voted for it now the Republicans have absolutely no reason to care about Canada, so they've come to strip mine it

Canadians misunderstood what Trump was saying you can read the plan that Trump is following the GOP is going to force Canadian companies to relocate to America it has already started, before the war has even begun, Canadian companies are in the process of relocating they are keeping their head offices in Canada, moving their production facilities to the USA quietly so far, but once this gets going, that will turn into a flood of Canadian companies abandoning Canada because businesses are not actually patriotic, they will go where they need to all Trump was saying is ; if you don't like it, Canada, you can apply to be the 51st State

Canadians are wannabe Communists America prevents Canada from going where Canadians want to go but if they could get away with it, Canada would be Cuba North

I'm not worrying about Canadians they are gung-ho for.a trade war, let them get a taste I know how Canadians fear, loathe & resent America I know they can't resist the bait this is what Canadians dream of, a chance to stand up to those dastardly Yanks they'll be picking up their economic teeth with economic broken fingers but whatever, knock yourselves out this is the Canadian fantasy of course, but the reality of trade war is just going to be a brutal slog for Canada the Americans will just subsidize their side in the war they can hold out much longer than Canada can

the only people you will be punishing is Canadians only 2% of American GDP is exports to Canada export tariffs on oil will just get more Canadians laid off

we are talking about Canada here it's not a dynamic society everyone will just lump it and look to the government to bail them out pandemic levels of government support & interest rates leverage accordingly

all these leftists would kill us if they could Kyle Rittenhouse knows ( the solution )

let's just start rounding these Commies up and zapping them like the Rosenberg's it's not fascism, that was Dwight Eisenhower who did that

yeah right, flail around desperately for totally unrealistic solutions why don't you Canada making itself into Venezuela; great plan meanwhile, all the wealthy Canadians will simply take the bailout money from the taxpayer that's how the game is played in Canada : classic case of socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor

indeed, I'll simply take advantage of the opportunity to buy low in Canada, then leverage the socialist bailouts one can still profit from Canada shooting itself in the head

all Canadian attempts to strike back will only compound the harm to Canadians America will crush Canada without even noticing the only way for Canada to win, would be to drop all trade barriers like Milton Friedman's Hong Kong but that's not going to happen in socialist nanny state Canada Canada's vastly interventionist centrally planning government will be its undoing the best option for Canadians would be to stage a right wing counterrevolution to overthrow their own corrupt & incompetent Communist ruling class beat the Americans at their own game ; it's right there, just for the taking

Woke Progressive lunacy is the greatest gift the left has ever given to the right power which would make Augusto Pinochet blush