Dougie93

thing is, the central banks don't even allow corrections into recessions anymore it's just non stop fiscal & economic stimulus to prevent those events from happening ever since 2008, it's just massive money printing all the time, totally debt financed economy there is now four times as much debt as their is economic productivity lately Canada has been using mass immigration the only reason we are not in a recession already, is the immigrants flooding into the economy

it is ominously similar to Hawley - Smoot but there are studies that indicate that people in the Great Depression were happier than people are today they just weren't as materialistic, they had close knit communities and families, and a much higher trust society

you don't have to go back further than the 1980's to find Canada facing an economic event like this during the recession of our youth in 1982 unemployment was 13%, inflation was 11% and the interest rate was 18% worst recession since the Great Depression

but just retaliating is not enough you have to do everything possible to mitigate the damage like Quebec having the same 25% tariff as Trump on imports to Quebec from the rest of Canada; is insane that's not a real country I mean, the EU is not a country, and they don't have any internal tariffs

a problem which is inflicting twice as much damage as Trump's tariffs will

inter provincial trade barriers costs the economy $200 billion per year that's 10% of GDP lost

Democrats won't like it, but that is in fact what MAGA Republicans want they are Fortress America Firster Isolationists they want out of all of America's military alliances they don't want to fight any wars for other countries at all they want to expand and improve the US Military ; peace through strength but they want to go back to the Pre World Wars era, when America only fought for America they view America's alliances as a burden not a boon this movement started way before Trump got involved this is all reactionary to 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the 2008 Financial crisis 9-11 is the moment where America Firster Isolationism is reborn you got out to be the world police and that is what happens to you

fair point 100 nuclear submarines was over the top again tho, Europe is not one big force, it's a bunch of small forces which are all the same and they're not full spectrum, they all perform the same narrow spectrum of operations and the Europeans are not actually that unified, they don't actually get along in terms of who would be in charge Europe is not a superpower, it's a collection of small powers who rely on America to bind it all together mind you, practically every MAGA Republican I know despises Europe and does not want to fight for it so they would be perfectly happy for NATO to dissolve in fact, MAGA Republicans actually side with Russia I talk to MAGA Republicans who want their alliance to be America & Russia vs Europe so careful what you wish for, Europe

I don't think Europe is as friendly to Canada trade wise as this idea surmises Europe is more protectionist than America is like do European farmers want to have to compete head to head with Canada's massive agricultural resources ? do German unions want car their companies to decamp to Ontario en masse ? because Europeans are extremely expensive workers compared to Canadians Canadians are cheap offshore labour by European standards European companies set up in Canada, but they always keep the bulk of the work in Europe, and Western European workers are pampered therein

because its unconstitutional to put a tariff on Alberta so if Alberta buys the oil from the oil companies suddenly it's Alberta selling the oil to America the Feds can't tariff that oil because it would be Alberta's public property, which means Alberta sets the price the export tariff can only be imposed on the oil companies, Alberta purchasing the oil first overrules Ottawa in effect, Ottawa cannot impose tariffs on a province and Danielle Smith has already said she would do this, Alberta is already preparing to do it

well if you can sell it to Alberta then it's another weapon in the arsenal if you can't sell it to Alberta tho, I do see how they could get around it but I don't think it's going to have devastating effects, it's not going to amount to shock & awe it's not going to be like OPEC embargo in the 70's, when people were lining up for gas and the taps were running dry people freaked out on Jimmy Carter, but it didn't cause America to abandon Israel and unlike Carter, Trump is not running for reelection and in terms of paying more, the Republicans are aware that this will be the case Americans are always complaining about the price of gas going up, but it doesn't incite revolts the MAGA base is not going to abandon Trump because the price of gas goes up by so many cents and again, America can retaliate with the oil Canada is importing from Texas in the east you need something to hit so hard and so fast that Trump quickly decides its not worth the squeeze I don't think Canada is actually the linchpin of the tariff plan I do think this is retribution for Justin Trudeau and the Liberals behaving like a Democrat party proxy so is he really committed to a long war against Canada ? because at any moment he could say okay, Canada is cooperating, tariffs off and this brings us back to the nature of Canadian politicians are they really going to go for shock & awe ? because Doug Ford has already invoked that, then when Fox News was like ; orly ? he started backpedalling right away, "only as a last resort, we love America, let's be friends, blah blah blah"

NATO is not a country, NATO is built entirely around America at the core for Europe to replace America with a military like the US military ? you're talking a generational project which would take decades because the European Union would have to become the United States of Europe, each country would have to give up its own mini military to build one big military a collection of identical small militaries is not going to add up to the US military there has to be specialization, everybody can't be doing the same job there would have to be one chain of command, you can't have a committee in command then you are talking about military production on a scale which Europe is not capable of right now you would have to build the infrastructure, and that would take many years I mean, just for Europe to build 100 nuclear submarines, that alone would take decades

Trump is serving Canada's interests by imposing this chaos Trump is potentially forcing Canada to do things which Canada should do fund the Canadian military, prevent its total collapse into oblivion exploit Canada's resource wealth for maximum benefit diversify the economy, stop relying on America to prop Canada up remove all trade barriers between provinces defend Arctic sovereignty secure the borders crack down on organized crime stop wasting money on absurd programs which are not the role of government stop declaring that Canada is a Post National State with no identity stop indicting Canada for having committed Genocide stop trying to erase Canadian history stop being an unserious country with its head in the clouds in terms of American interests, Immigration is out of control, just letting millions of people flood into the country unchecked is insane America should be spending 5% GDP on defense, peace through strength America should be demanding that its allies ramp up for war as well America should be producing as much oil and gas as possible America is right to ban DEI, it's a total griftocracy America is right to abandon Gender Ideology, it's lunacy run amok America shouldn't have given up the Panama Canal, it's strategically vital to control it if America could acquire Greenland, that would be a strategic coup on the Russians in terms of the tariffs, this what the unions in America have been demanding, Trump is following through America is in an AI race with China, it's the new Cold War space program in terms of Trump's belligerence, the opposition is just as belligerent in this current political environment, nobody is making any deals on any side there is really no other option than to just ram your agenda down the oppositions throat, they're gonna do it to you and frankly, being nice and politely asking other countries to do things for America that hasn't produced any results, again, Canada is the classic case America has been politely asking Canada to pull its weight for like forty years Canada basically thumbed its nose at America and dared America to do something about at some point, Canada was going to really p!ss America off, and we have arrived there now

there's nobody else to turn to all the rest of the military forces in the Hegenomy lack the full spectrum of capabilities and logistics it's like in NATO, all the military's are basically the same they have some armoured vehicles, they have some fighter planes, they have some ships but it all designed to plug into the American military, which provides all the specialized capabilites and everybody relies on American logistics, America is a logistics superpower only the Americans are trained and equipped to fight the full spectrum war everybody else only provides basic capabilities at the tactical level even the British & French rely heavily on the Americans again. I don't think Alberta will accept that Danielle Smith is already preparing for Alberta to buy the oil to get around the tariff if necessary

the idea that Canada is going to eliminate the oil is delusional Alberta is basically funding the rest of the Confederation with that oil there's not going to be an oil shortage since OPEC relies on that oil to fund themselves, they have to bring it to market and the Gulf Monarchies are all relying on America to defend them from Iran and Trump is buddies with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman who just said that Saudi Arabia is going to invest $600 billion in the USA

it's not going to change, because every country in Europe & the Pacific relies on America to defend them from Russia and China

BAE Systems is an American defence contractor too the second largest footprint for BAE Systems is in America Canada's largest defence contractor is American ; General Dynamics

Canada is not going to stop selling the oil to America and since Canada's unrefined heavy crude sells at a 20% discount Canada putting a 25% export tariff on the oil, is only a net 5% increase but I don't think Alberta is going to accept those terms from Ottawa ; National Energy Program 2.0 and since it is unconstitutional for Ottawa to put a tariff on Alberta Alberta will buy the oil, then sell it to the Americans without the tariff

while the Government of Canada buys billions of dollars worth of US military hardware ? you do realize that the Canadian military is totally reliant upon the Pentagon and American defence contractors ? in terms of buying from China, do you think Canadians are going to stop buying iPhones & Tesla's ? do you really think that Canadians are going to stop shopping at Walmart & Costco ? America is the global Hegemon everywhere you go, it's all integrated with America the whole world relies on selling to the American market everybody is America for all intents & purposes

America takes Canada's oil at a discount, then sells it at a 20% premium because Canada refuses to build pipelines and refineries at scale but America doesn't need Canada's oil, America can buy oil from all over the world, and refine it America has its own oil, which is higher quality and worth more than Canada's oil but more importantly, Canada cannot supply itself with its own oil Canada cannot supply eastern Canada with sufficient oil instead, eastern Canada relies on a pipeline which comes up from Texas so If Canada wants to get into an oil war with America it's actually America who could cut Canada off, not the other way round

Justin Trudeau and the Liberals are the ones who put Canada in this predicament if they hadn't deliberately wrecked Canada for some crazy ideological leftist crusade inside of 9 years Canada would be in the position of advantage able to employ its exponential resource wealth to beat Trump at his own game Canada is actually richer than the United States is, Canada is worth $20 trillion more than America is with only one eighth of the population of America on paper, Canada is the richest country in the world but because Canada cripples itself so Communist China doesn't have to restrict its carbon footprint Donald Trump has got Canada by the balls I do however welcome this moment, I knew it was coming because this is what it is going to take for Canada to pull out of its self imposed death spiral chaos is a ladder

the Canadian banks are the most powerful banking cartel on earth in terms of all the shady banking in the USA, the Canadian banks were in all of that Congress bailed the Canadian banks out in 2008 along with the rest the Canadian Banks are so powerful in Canada it is impossible to compete with them and they don't compete with each other, they act as a oligopoly they seized Canadian bank accounts of people on the absurd notion that protesting was "terrorism" they debank Canadians with impunity, simply for those Canadians supposedly engaging in wrongthink you don't agree with Gender Ideology ? Boom, no bank account for you, nowhere else for you to go that's literally totalitarian straight of Communist China : Social Credit Scoring in terms of Supply Management, even the Democrats are crying foul about the tariff rates the Democrats were coming for that too in USMCA 2026 Online News Act & Digital Services Tax is a shakedown, straight up money grab for the Liberals to buy off their own lapdog media proxies soft on crime, Americans freaking out about the Mexican drug cartels; they don't see Canada doing much about it soft on terrorism, Canada is bringing in immigrants whom are turning around to launch attacks in the USA the Canadians border was basically wide open, until the Mounties suddenly started doing something a week ago to Americans, guns are not a problem you're blaming the Americans for not stopping guns from coming into Canada ? That's Trumpian in of itself on immigration, Canada is not screening immigrants, Canada literally gave citizenship to an ISIS Jihadist proxy for China is Canada have no military to speak of, and no ability to defend the Arctic we're on the brink of World War Three, perhaps already in the opening stages Canada is literally defenceless for all intents and purposes, could contribute next to nothing in either theatre from the American point of view, that's not incompetence, that is deliberate in terms of corporations operating in China, it's free enterprise, Canada is there too, 600 Canadian companies operating in China you can't order companies not to go there unless you are declaring war against China in which case, again, Canada is the weakest link in the alliance now I'm not saying Trump is justified in taking revenge upon Canada but Canada injected itself into the fight, Canada made itself into a proxy for the Democrats Justin Trudeau and the Liberals recklessly decided to run against Trump while the Liberals spent the last decade crippling the Canadian economy and national security making Canada totally reliant upon and at the mercy of Donald Trump and now that is all coming home to roost it is the highest imperative of a nation state, to defend Canadians from the exact situation that Canada has put Canadian into I'm supposed to stand up for a country which literally places me in peril by design ? that's not how it supposed to work I did my part, I served in the military, in the combat arms it's not me who let Canada down, it's Canada who let me down Canada has forced me to rely entirely upon the Americans for my national defence and top it all off, now Canada wants me to go to war against my family in America and bear in mind, even tho I could flee to the United States, I'm not going to because I swore a solemn oath before God Himself, hand on the King's James Bible to defend & uphold Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, heir & successors, unto death as necessary so I am in fact duty bound to go down with the ship, with my wife in tow for a Post National State with no core identity, which has indicted my entire history & culture as White Supremacist Genocide with a plan which is basically suicidal, imposed on me by a government which is not even showing for work while this shit is hitting the fan I might have to do it, but I don't have to like it, and I am certainly not saying thanks for it

Costco is your ally, they are with the Democrats

Exactly which is why I think retaliation is a bad strategy I would simply make moves in Canada which would offset the effects of the tariffs Canadians are freaking out, so you have broad latitude to go shock & awe at home never mind the debt, go for massive tax cuts across the board subsidize like crazy fools, hand out money like its going out of style, to include UBI drop all protectionist barriers internally, and to every other country, invite imports to make everything cheaper in Canada, not more expensive remove all barriers to big projects, everything is approved, raise interest rates to prop up the dollar, government will be the lender of last resort but prohibit all foreclosures, tell the banks they are just going to have eat it for the time being now is not the time to let the housing bubble implode make a deal with the Devil ; cozy up to the Chinese like Norman Bethune National Mobilization ; invoke the Emergencies Act to give the GoC wartime powers nobody is leaving Canada for the United States ; you've all been Conscripted apply pressure on Buckingham Palace; we're going to war Your Majesty, so get your ass over here to rally the troops go to 10 Downing Street too ; hey UK, you need us, we need you, let's work together go to Paris & Berlin too, Shuttle Diplomacy now now now never mind the election, Section 50 gives the Liberals until 2026, send Mark Carney same as the Russians are doing right now, you spool everything up until it is running white hot wartime economy reach out to every ally you have and call in all your markers coalition of the willing then just wait Trump out

Canadians will never accept American freedom Canadians will never accept the 1st nor 2nd Amendments Canadians do not believe in free speech about the only British thing left in Canadian society is silencing people in the name of the King's Peace Canadians have a pathological aversion to a right to bear arms even Canadian gun advocates don't want the 2nd Amendment Canadians will never accept the US Military American Divisions on Canadian soil ? Methinks Canadians would rather fight an actual shooting war than accept any of those terms