Zeitgeist

It’s historical fiction, inaccurate in some unimportant particulars but its account of the context is historically accurate. Please be intelligent.

The problem with such organizations is that they can easily become unaccountable. The CIA had its own military forces and got up to so many things that the public knew nothing about and might not support. Watch The Year of Living Dangerously. The FBI under Hoover were pretty rogue. Eisenhower warned the public before he left office of the military industrial complex. Anyway, I don’t pretend to know what any of these organizations are up to or how accountable they are today.

It was all over the CBC. I remember seeing the news segment. The guy who infiltrated felt a lot of guilt. It’s well documented. https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/lbrr/archives/jl 86.s4 s43 1994-eng.pdf

Yeah sketchy organization. I still remember when they basically installed a fake white supremacist with a fledgling white supremacist organization that then thrived under the influence of the fake. It looked like they created a problem so they could solve it. I guess it’s hard to justify paying for fire trucks if there aren’t any fires or they’re usually more like smoking barbecues than actual fires.

Again, I’m not the taskmaster who wants to strip rights from people because of medical or political views. That’s your thing. I just don’t want to saddle my kids with endless payouts to identity politics money pits for selected victim groups. I do think if it’s really important to you, you should write a fat personal cheque. ?

Eyeball is under the illusion that if he pays some kind of temporary reparations levy with other Canadian taxpayers, suddenly the activists will say, “Ah, you guys have really made amends. All good now, you can cease the payouts.” That’s not how it goes. The game is to milk the cow to death. There will never be enough settlement of treaties or compensation for perceived past injuries for some people, and they’re the squeaky wheels pushing over statues and sitting around a flaming garbage can stopping trains or putting up banners on church alters. They’re in charge, the proof being the now debunked mass murder Indigenous grave stories that caused a year of Canadian flags at half mast. Right now, on top of the previous residential school payouts, the human rights tribunal is talking $40,000 per person with no cap on future payouts. People have natural bullshit detectors. Let me see: no taxation, free education, free healthcare, free higher education, and significant government funding of reserve infrastructure while asking nothing of Indigenous…Oh and it isn’t the government that wants to keep the Indian Act. Yes injustices happened that shouldn’t be downplayed. The apologies and free stuff can’t go on forever. That wouldn’t be fair, no matter how indignant you are about land that was misappropriated 250 years ago. The Loyalists had their land seized in the US, yet I don’t know any great great great great grandchildren demanding the return of pasture in Massachusetts. Setting groups up with race-based special status is dubious and creates two-tier citizenship. In the long run it’s a failed policy. I certainly wouldn’t throw additional money at it unless a court issues an order based on evidence supporting a particular land claim or claim of abuse. Those judgements are case by case, which is fair.

I agree, but the Liberals propagandize them and stoke fear of “anti-immigrant extremism” to make immigrants feel like the Liberals are their protectors. Of course it’s condescending and paternalistic, even racist. It’s also anti-freedom of opportunity. The Liberals have a tax-payer funded program box for you to occupy. Just vote Liberal, take the handout, and don’t make waves.

There is a very fair point to be made that mass immigration, if it comes too fast and furious, creates serious social tensions and cultural conflict, especially from parts of the world that don’t share our liberal-democratic values or where disdain towards the “colonial” founding cultures of England and France is prevalent. These are things worth considering if you believe there’s a Canadian culture worth preserving and that this isn’t just International Tax Jurisdiction 1867.

That’s a good point. Pat King is apparently extremist because he said something ridiculous about government trying to replace white people from his car window. It was stupid, but he didn’t prescribe violence or talk about one race being superior to another to my knowledge.

I got vaccinated but oppose the mandates. It’s about protecting individual rights as enshrined in our constitution for many protesters. Whether it’s medical discretion or freedom of movement, protest, or any other right, these freedoms are clearly fragile and must be protected.

That’s what happens in totalitarian countries. The Emergencies Act allows the government to skirt constitutional rights and be totalitarian. That’s why it’s the choice of last resort.

Crisis used as an excuse to manipulate people.

Disturbing and poetic. Read Rilke’s Torso of Apollo. “You must change your life.”

It’s Biblical. You’re pharaoh and your employees on the boats were slaves. Metaphor.

Okay good. I agree on the whole, except that the totalitarianism moves in Canada are mostly on the left. Our Conservatives are very moderate.

That’s nonsense. The protesters were nonviolent and there were no serious threats or extremists, as indicated by the OPP. Do you work for the Liberal PR team?

The protests weren’t about that for the vast majority of people, and among the people who wanted to “overthrow the government, there was no proposal to use violence or subvert the parliamentary system.

There are right-wingers in the Conservative Party?

Unlike you, I’m not a taskmaster. I do know that nothing is free. Giving up your ability to take care of yourself is giving up your agency. I’m not talking about trading your work for other goods. I’m also not denying that work comes in all forms and may appear leisurely to the unskilled. I’m happy to have a shorter work week and let bots to the work, as long as there are no strings attached. Would you want to live in public housing? Would you want your kids living on welfare? If we do eventually have UBI, its value will depend on what form it takes. If it’s a universal cheque to everyone or a temporary EI type benefit for those thrown out of work, I could live with that. If it means accepting a lifestyle defined for me by the state, no thanks. That’s the end of innovation, pluralism, and vitality. It’s in many ways the end of freedom, because as in the centrally planned communist state, how you live and what you have is decided for you. It breeds weakness. It’s certainly no way to build people up in the long run. It would be wiser for such wayward souls to enter the military or to do anything that teaches self-discipline and fosters strength. Construction, landscaping, learning a trade…Providing apprenticeships to people has great value. Teaching someone to fish is usually better than giving them fish.

There was no thinking among the thousands of protesters of overthrowing the government. Get real. Some leaders wanted the Governor General to dissolve Parliament to throw out the PM because of constitutional breach. There was no armed or unarmed attempt to enter Parliament and remove government by force. Just stop.

We weren’t asked crossing into the US by land, but maybe that’s because they already had our vaccination status on file when they saw our passports. If this policy is still in effect, that’s really poor. I expect such nonsense from the Biden administration. At least Canada lifted that policy.

No they don’t. You’re not asked about vaccine status at the US border.

Well thought out response. Welcome to the forum. You know your stuff.

Eyeball doesn’t seem to see the moral hazard of not contributing one’s efforts towards the community, to earn one’s keep. Of course we’re not talking here about those who are unable to work. The community takes care of them. The irony too is that Eyeball was in charge of workers. If there’s nothing to do for able-bodied people but show up for free drugs and food, very soon such folks won’t be able bodied. They will be addicted, weak, and dependent. This isn’t a social safety net for those who lose their jobs but are willing to work. This is how you damage people. I understand free needles to avoid spread of disease through needle sharing, antidotes to overdoses, methadone for transitioning off heroin, that kind of thing within reason. Giving people free drugs no questions asked is basically turning the state into a free crack house. It won’t end well.

It was a festival atmosphere. If they didn’t push back on mandates we’d probably still be wearing masks and running away from each other talking about case numbers and ICU’s. Daily Covid fear porn and constant media shaming of Covidiots who dared to break rules and be social.