hot enough

Perhaps you don't explain very well. If you don't embrace the official theory then you don't believe the USGOCT. That leaves who? Who had the means? Who had the motive? Who had the opportunity? I mean I have seen some folks [present company excluded] deny reality but this is ridiculous. What kind of "adult" says, "I can't provide one piece of evidence to support the USGOCT but still I believe it? What kind of "adult" says, "I saw a human being being exploded out of a twin tower window but still I believe the USGOCT? What kind of "adult" says, "there was US government nanothermite and the by-products of those nanothermite reactions in WTC dust but still I believe the USGOCT"? What kind of "adult" says, "there was supposedly an Arab hijacker's passport that survived the crash into WTC1 and floated unsinged to the ground and then that story changed twice, but still I believe the USGOCT"? What kind of "adult" says, "there was supposedly an Arab hijacker's passport and a red bandana that survived the crash into the ground at Shanksville and somehow got out of that totally buried airliner, and was found on the the ground, but still I believe the USGOCT"? Come on, eyeball, do you really consider such folk to be sentient adult beings?

You are a really sick individual. Can you direct me to your thread on the two plus centuries US genocide of Native Americans?

All they gotta do is read the bible.

Are you a drag queen?

You are a dyed in the wool conservative, Wilber, which means you are one of the dishonest. You support folks who are the equal of Hitler, folks who Hitler copied [the USA], folks who did business with Hitler well into WWII, folks who do business with the right wing vicious dictators they always install, the USA. And you enthusiastically embrace them all.

The myriad contradictions in the bible are part and parcel of the brainwashing, Betsy. Give me a child until age 7 and I'll give you the man/woman/brainwashed individual. It works the same way as US propaganda and both are insidious.

This is a discussion forum, James. What are you doing? Do you deny that religion is a form of brainwashing? Of the equal of American brainwashing?

You ought to consider learning history and English, PIK. =============== The Secret Wars of the CIA Excerpts from a talk by John Stockwell These are the activites done by the Contras. The Contras are the people President Reagan called "freedom fighters." He said: "They are the moral equivalent of our founding fathers." In 1960, we came up with a new term, a policy of trying to correct the problems of Central and Latin America -- the economic imbalances -- by addressing them directly. In President Kennedy's famous program he said: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." However, the millions and millions of dollars that we put into this program, inevitably went to the rich, and not to the ordinary people of the countries involved. While we were doing this, or trying -- saying we were trying to correct the problems of Central and Latin America -- the CIA was doing its thing too. The CIA was, in fact, forming the police units that are, today, the death squads in El Salvador. The leaders were on the CIA's payroll, trained by the CIA in the United States. We had the public safety program going throughout Central and Latin America for twenty-six years, in which we taught them to break up subversion by interrogating people: interrogation, including torture, the way the CIA taught it. Dan Mitrione, the exponent of these things, spent seven years in Brazil and three in Uruguay, teaching interrogation; teaching torture. He was supposed to be the master of the business: how to apply the right amount of pain, at just the right times, in order to get the response you want from the individual. They gave them crank generators -- with "U.S.A.I.D." written on the side, so the people even knew where these things came from -- and developed a wire that was strong enough to carry the current and fine enough to fit between the teeth, so you could put one wire between the teeth, and the other in or around the genitals. You could crank, and submit the individual to the greatest amount of pain, supposedly, that the human body can register. Now, how do you teach torture? Someone can teach you about torture, but sooner or later you have to get involved. You have to lay on your hands and try it yourself. They would pick up guinea pigs off the streets: beggars, and take them in to use in these torture training classes. Of course, the horror of that is, these people wouldn't know why they were being tortured. They couldn't give up. They couldn't say: "I'm sorry! Stop the pain! I'll tell you the names of everybody involved!" All they could do was lie there and scream! When they would collapse, they would bring in doctors who would shoot them up with Vitamin B and rest them up for the next class. And when they would die, they would mutilate the bodies and throw them out on the streets to terrify the population, so that everybody would be afraid of the police and the Government. This is what the CIA was teaching them to do. ... There's a lesson in all this. The lesson is: It isn't just the Gestapo maniacs, or KGB maniacs, who do inhuman things to other people. It's PEOPLE who do inhuman things to other people.And we [USA] are responsible for doing these things on a massive basis, to people of the world today. We do it in a way that gives us plausible denial to our own consciences. We create a CIA, a secret police, with a vast budget, and let them go and run these programs in our name. We pretend like we don't know what's going on, though the information is there for us to know. And we pretend like it's okay because we're fighting some vague communist threat. We're just as responsible for these ONE TO THREE MILLION PEOPLE we've slaughtered, and for all the people we've tortured and made miserable, as the Gestapo was for the people that they slaughtered and killed. Genocide is genocide !! http://www.serendipity.li/cia/stock1.html

Dog almighty, you are blind, Argus, willfully blind, arrogantly blind, conservative blind.

That must have been in your incredibly nebulous manner, eyeball. For a guy who doesn't "embrace the official theory", you sure do a great defense for it, or for yourself.

Dollars to donuts you would almost certainly have been in on it had you lived as an adult during those times, Argus.

Often wrong.

Dense, eyeball, is denying hard science, denying absolutely impossible events and circumstances in favor of a ludicrous notion that "one will look at the science when more scientists are on board". You are Betsy. You believe only because you deeply want to believe. Your embrace of the official conspiracy theory is nothing more than religious fervor.

That is nutty. The US knows full well on its own how to commit genocide, war crimes and terrorism. It has a very long history of such, long before Israel existed and at a time when Jews were hated in the US. Yes, the US supports the war crimes and the terrorism of Israel but that's only for the US's own benefit.

Neither of them are the top war criminals, baby killers, terrorists, ... that you love and respect. Did you get to take part in any US war criminals? You have a military "mind".

So says a bunch a folks who desperately want to believe the bullshit they are told. They listen to some dumb ass preacher who has been duped as badly as all the rest of the folks.

McCain the arch war criminal says and said tons of stupid things. He's a nutty far right winger for dog's sakes. The USA is the biggest global threat. It has been for well over a century with its genocides, its myriad war crimes, its voluminous terrorism.

The accurate sources that describe the US support for the neo-nazis that took over the government of Ukraine after the US overthrew the legitimate government. Remember Victoria Nuland walking down the streets of Kiev with neo-nazis.

Obviously you can't read very well. McCain is a war criminal from the US illegal invasion of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, ... .

You've illustrated that time and again, OftenWrong!

McCain is a war criminal from the US illegal invasion of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, ... .

That's hilarious, capricorn. You believe in a US government conspiracy theory that you know sweet phuck all about. You, no one, can provide any evidence to show it has any veracity. You just soldier on in your deep ignorance. That shows how tenuous a grasp you have on reality. Your boy Trump says bombs had to have been used on the twin towers. Your other boy, Bush, describes bombs going off in the twin towers before they came down. Hang onto your bubble!

You're as nebulous as Omni.

Of course it is. It's run by the world's leading war criminals and terrorists who are into their second century of terrorism against Cuba. You know, the USA, the savior of the oppressed, the kind, benevolent country that has slaughtered tens of millions, the evil ones that you love deeply.

Testament to how patently dishonest you are, Rue. And it couldn't just be a simple mistake because there were other telling examples too.