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Then of course you must be right because your friends are right.

Omni has pretended he is a pilot. He has described the alleged hijackers piloting skills as adequate to do what was done on 911. The following illustrates one of two things: one, Omni is not a pilot and he is therefore lying, or two, he is a pilot but he is lying about the skills needed to fly a jet in order to plant lies defending the totally impossible USGOCT. ================ http://911blogger.com/news/2011-07-12/911-hijackers-amateur-aviators-who-became-super-pilots-september-11 The 9/11 Hijackers: Amateur Aviators Who Became Super-Pilots on September 11 ... HITTING THE WTC LIKE 'THREADING THE EYE OF A NEEDLE' Some experts commented specifically on the flying skills that would have been necessary to crash planes into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. Kieran Daly, the editor of the Internet publication Air Transport Intelligence, said, "Flying an aircraft into a building is not as simple as it appears." He said the hijackers "would have needed some experience to have been able to steer the planes into the World Trade Centre." [10] Robin Lloyd compared the targets of the WTC towers to "narrow runways tipped vertically." From "switching off the autopilot," the hijackers "would have to know how to control the aircraft and be able to find the target," he said. Lloyd said that "rag-trousered terrorists with no flying experience could not have hit" the Twin Towers. [11] Michael Barr said the hijackers who flew the planes into the WTC "had to change course ... had to know how to navigate." [12] Barr, who is a former Air Force fighter-bomber pilot, said the hijacker pilots "almost had to hit the towers like they were threading the eye of a needle." He commented on the difficulty the pilots would have had in synchronizing their attacks so they hit the two WTC towers about 15 minutes apart, saying: "The routes they were flying were very different--one plane coming from the north and the other coming from the south. That adds greatly to the complexity and it requires a degree of skill to prevent the planes from banking too much or descending too fast while keeping on course." Barr added that the piloting skills apparently exhibited by the hijackers indicated that "months and months of planning and training were involved." He concluded, "Unfortunately, these guys were good." [13] A 767 pilot told the Boston Globe: "The perpetrators were trained pilots and trained to operate the 757-767 family of aircraft. ... t did not seem to bother them that the flying was very demanding." This pilot noted that video showed that the second aircraft to hit the WTC was banked, or turning, as it struck the tower, "making the maneuver more difficult." He added, "To hit something with an airplane is easy only if you have been flying for 20 years." [14] Niki Lauda, the former Formula One world champion who is also a pilot and owned his own airline, said on German TV that whoever flew the aircraft into the WTC must have been "properly trained to fly a plane like that." He said: "You have to know exactly what the turning radius of a plane like that is, if I am trying to hit the World Trade Center. That means, these had to be fully trained 767 or 757 pilots. ... It certainly could not be the case that some half-trained pilot tries it somehow, because then he will not hit it." [15] AIRCRAFT THAT HIT THE PENTAGON 'WAS FLOWN WITH EXTRAORDINARY SKILL' A particularly high level of skill would have been needed to fly an aircraft into the west wall of the Pentagon. CBS News reported: "Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes. ... [T]he complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed." [16] A "top aviation source" called the maneuver "a nice, coordinated turn," which, according to one law enforcement official, was the work of "a great talent ... virtually a textbook turn and landing." [17] Other "aviation sources" told the Washington Post that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon "was flown with extraordinary skill." [18] According to the Chicago Tribune, authorities said the terrorist who flew American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon displayed "proficiency in the aircraft's advanced navigation and automated flight systems. ... Such systems require pilots to program the desired course heading and altitude into an onboard computer, and the plane carries out the instructions." [19]

You just told another Omni lie and without pause, you go off on a silly tangent to attempt to hide your lie. You've lied about being a pilot. You lied about the "hijackers'" skills and the ease with which big jets can be flown. You were proved wrong by a real expert and still you come back lying.

More Omni disinformation, rank conspiracy theory stuff. You are a conspiracy theorist, Omni. But you support one that has no evidence which is why you never provide any evidence, even for your specialty, a "pilot". No one knowledgeable says that and it is testament to your never provide evidence manner that you would try a deception like this.

No offense, but you seem to be very confused, which is totally understandable given the vast number of US government lies about 911. If you don't believe the twin towers collapses were caused by the jet impacts/fires, you don't believe the USGOCT. And they weren't, because they fell at close to free fall speed, but the real USOCT killer is that they fell at accelerating speed, which is totally impossible according to Newton's laws of motion, which I trust you believe in. There was no jolt, no slowing down of the upper sections of the twin towers when they impacted the much much much stronger in terms of both steel size and steel volume; the steel was also stone cold below the impact zones. [And the steel in the impact zones was also not heated to any temperatures close to that needed to cause failure.] Only by removing the resistance/structural steel below the collapse zones could the upper sections have moved at accelerating speeds. The only thing that can make that happen is controlled demolition/explosives. You do know that OBL had nothing at all to do with 911, don't you? Why do you think the US government would lie about that?

But you, bcsapper, accusing me of intellectual cowardice, found yourself completely unable to address that in any intellectual fashion. Rather you went to a typical say nothing post, not even droll humor. You didn't even quote the post that has gotten you so upset. Do you even know the meaning of 'might'? What has got your knickers in such a twist, the fact that you are terrible at humor or that you aren't very intellectually up front/brave?

Neither this post or your reply to GostHacked in any way comes close to, "Mapleleafweb operates these forums in the hopes that they will promote intelligent, honest and responsible discussion. We encourage you to speak your mind on relevant issues in a thoughtful way." An equally crazy thing in all this is that an ex-moderator does this same thing as you.

You have never provided any evidence nor have you ever discussed any evidence because you know that when you do so you immediately stick your foot in your mouth.

You obviously do not know that justice and the rule of law demand that all investigations are done in the same lawful fashion. Most of the steel was shipped overseas. Numerous top fire investigators demanded it stop because laws were being broken. But what is so totally incomprehensible in your replies is your inability to look at the facts/evidence/science. Instead you throw up another non sequitur. What wrecks? Again, you won't face up to reality. How did UA175, a 767-200, magically get an engine that went in different airplanes. How did not one of roughly 4 million parts get matched to the alleged planes? How did US government/military non-commercially available naonthermite get into WTC dust? How did 6% of WTC dust come to be iron microspheres, which are one of the by products of nanothermite/thermate reactions? How did Arab hijackers, who only brought jet fuel to the party, managed to melt/vaporize steel [2,750F/4,900F, vaporize lead [3,180F], melt molybdenum [4,700F], when jet fuel and office furnishings only burned at around 1,500F? Why is there no evidence for the hijackers?

You are self describing, Omni. Remember, you have never provided any evidence in a thread specifically devoted to that. You lie about being a pilot or you lied about piloting. You ignore stark realities and throw out dumps of conspiracy theorist crap that you can't even address/discuss yourself. And here now, you continue to illustrate your stunning hypocrisy. You never addressed anything that was in the video to either confirm it or refute it. Instead you attack the poster when you haven't come remotely close to doing what the forum rules suggest: "Mapleleafweb operates these forums in the hopes that they will promote intelligent, honest and responsible discussion. We encourage you to speak your mind on relevant issues in a thoughtful way." If the contents of the video are so devoid of fact, why wouldn't you, supposedly a pilot, be able to point these things out?

And you are completely accurate in that assessment.

How not even droll. And to boot you highlight how you can't address things intellectually.

You can pretend all you want that you are being evenhanded, Goddess. Your posts, overall, don't convey that at all.

Because the focus is on Muslims. That focus has come to be because of the lies of the US/UK/... and even the Israeli government, which is a close partner of the war criminal/terrorist USA. All these criminal governments falsely accusing others of crimes they didn't commit. All these folks here rant only about things Muslims do that many others also do. I've given the examples many times - Amish, Hutterites, Mennonites, ... . Dollars to donuts, there is no thread about any of these above mentioned groups who have much the same "issues" that don't get the Islamaphobes all riled up.

Typical uninformed right wing fear mongering, Betsy. You should have thrown in some Muslims radicals/commies who were in a conspiracy with the grizzly bears.

Many, including all the repressive regimes installed by the USA in many countries around the world. This is the same USA that puts out propaganda, which you have obviously swallowed, that says it is a force for good, a kind, benevolent generous country when it is nothing of the sort. That is stunning hypocrisy. And for you think and advance the ludicrous notion that citizen firearms would be able to stop the US government from frying any who resisted is ludicrous in the extreme.

Yes, there is no doubt that all US presidents are world class liars, as are many US citizens. They are also deeply delusional, believing as they do in the totally nonsensical crap about the US being a force for good, a kind and generous nation. All pure bullshit! That doesn't change the fact that Trump is far and away the leader when it comes to lies and lying. Pointing to Clinton as a bad/worse choice doesn't make Trump any less of a royal idiot, and of course the top pants on fire liar. You could make a case that Trump is so incredibly stupid that he has no control over his brain and what exits from it, whereas others do.

You totally destroyed Michael H's desperate meme, Tostb. Michael knows it's just planned deception/distraction he is engaging in because nobody can suggest they live in reality and ignore all the impossibilities of the totally crazy USGOCT. Then you, yourself, go into the same state of delusion. How can you deny all the science, the evidence put forward that shows you believe in total impossibilities? Impossibilities that you won't address, you don't try to counter.

Why to you go to such nonsensical extremes? I have never suggested that 911 didn't happen. The science and the facts say that it never happened in the manner of the USGOCT. The science and the evidence says, unequivocally, the USGOCT is impossible. AGAIN! 1. what matters is that not a one of the roughly 4 million parts has ever been connected to any of the 4 alleged planes of 911. That is something that in and of itself totally sinks the USOCT, but there is much much more evidence that sinks the USOCT and, the truly incredible thing, absolutely no evidence FOR the USGOCT. Have you ever heard of such a crazy thing happening, four planes crash and none of the parts are connected to the purported crashed planes? 2. The 767 that was alleged to have hit WTC2 had one engine fly thru the structure and land on Murray Street. That engine was identified but the trouble is it was an engine that WAS NOT USED in the United Airlines Boeing 767-200s. Another thing that in and of itself totally sinks the USOCT. It was not the engine that was installed in UA175 which means it was not UA175 that hit WTC2. 3. All the evidence points clearly to whatever hits the towers, whatever hit the Pentagon, whatever was shot down in SV wasn't what was alleged or they would have matched parts, they would have done what they always do, gather all the parts and reassemble each plane in a hangar and do all the testing they can do to discover what can be discovered. Isn't this how it actually works in reality, in your world, in everyone's world? Serial numbered parts are actually matched to the crash debris. Standard crash protocol. Just with this much scientific evidence, the total impossibilities found within the USOCT which the USGOCT conspiracy theorists like Omni, Michael Hardner, ... totally ignore shows that it clearly WAS NOT 19 Arab hijackers.

Well then, with all hockey teaches why does it seem like you provide overwhelming support for US/UK/... war crimes and terrorism against others who have done nothing to us? Where is the camaraderie, where is the love for your fellow humans, those peoples that had never done a thing to us, the ones that vicious, slanderous falsehoods have been hurled at for years. The ones that have had to bear the enormous, unfair brunt of western lies/perfidy? So, the long and the short of it is, Crosby should not set foot in the Black House!

Why have you chosen, again, to act in a cowardly fashion and not address the fact that your misleading post quoting the Heller decision was misleading and deceiving?

One of the many myths about the 2nd amendment.

It isn't a law. You don't understand the English language.

Wow! With all hockey teaches why does it seem like you provide overwhelming support for US/UK/... war crimes and terrorism against others who have done nothing to us?

You dishonestly cropped what I said, which was "Always glorifying USA slaughtering people." Yeah, that is really something to be jealous of. Maybe if Hitler and [pick any US president] were trying to outdo each other for slaughtering folks with glee, but come on, you really think slaughtering people is something to be glorified?