Goddess
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24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:
No it's not legit. It's just more lies.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/masswedding.asp
"Tim Marshall, a reporter who covered the event for Sky News, later posted a denunciatory blog entry condemning the Internet-circulated claims of “child brides” as nothing more than uninformed, scurrilous rumor-mongering"
There are no child brides then?
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9 minutes ago, seraphim said:
And here you want people to trust blindly and not discuss things in a rational way.....
I don't understand why we can't discuss these issues like adults instead of children trying to justify bad actions with "But....but....but.....So-and-So did the same thing !!!"
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6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:
Actually, I was aware of the custom of arranged marriage with minors, I just didn't think they were that minor...
QuoteThe issue of Yemen's child brides got widespread attention three years ago when an eight-year-old girl boldly went by herself to a courtroom and demanded a judge dissolve her marriage to a man in his 30s.
She eventually won a divorce, and legislators began looking at ways to curb the practice.
In September, a 12-year-old Yemeni child-bride died after struggling for three days in labour to give birth, a local human rights organisation said.
Yemen once set 15 as the minimum age for marriage, but parliament annulled that law in the 1990s, saying parents should decide when a daughter marries.
I would think that this going on in the Muslim world would be more offensive to Altai than Canada's laws, but I guess not.
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3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:
That's one of the saddest things I've ever seen that didn't actually involve death or dismemberment.
Are you guys sure that's legit?
Google pictures of Muslim child brides. There's tons.
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All of our choices affect our lives. No matter what age we are.
I don't understand how you believe it's NOT okay to allow a 15 year old to make a life choice (for which she will have to live with the consequences of her own choice) but it's OKAY to force 6 year olds to marry......
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Just now, Altai said:
Nope legal marriage age in Turkiye is 18. If your familly allows you to marry, you can marry at 17. You can marry at 16 too but there have to be some extraordinary conditions.
I know someone who married at age 15. Her parents had many discussions with her about it, and finally agreed to sign the papers to allow her to marry.
28 years later, they are still married and happy. Granted, it doesn't always work out like that but do you understand that it was her CHOICE and that our laws provide protections in such cases?
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Just now, Altai said:
Kids are not able to make true decisions most of the time. What a backward opinion this is. You are really a backward people. What kind of a mother would allow her kids to marry just because of she/he want to marry. This is disgusting.
I remember you said months ago in another topic that "only few kids know what they want". Now you contradicted with yourself and you say that "we allow them to make their own decisions." This is why you are in my ignore list and you will stay there forever.
It's very difficult to explain allowing others the freedom to choose, to someone who doesn't agree with that freedom.
There is no contradiction in my statements.
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3 minutes ago, Altai said:
Islamic rules does not force anyone to marry too.
There is no such a thing in IslamSo these are actually adult women who are making the choice to marry these men?
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Just now, Altai said:
Islamic rules does not force anyone to marry too.
There is no such a thing in Islam too.Baloney.
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Just now, Altai said:
I dont care, if its legal to marry at 16 in your laws, this means you are agree with it as Canadian people.
No.
What we agree with is allowing others to make their own decisions.
This is why there are protections under the law if you CHOOSE to marry before 16 - your parents would need to sign papers and you would be questioned as to whether you are doing this of your own free will or not.
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Sharia is different in that it legislates all aspects of life, not just in the religious sphere.
It covers things like: how you are supposed to greet others, what you should say before having sex and which foot is supposed to enter the washroom first.
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2 minutes ago, Altai said:
For example one of the most abused issue is the marriage age in Islam. Ignorant people always abuse it based on stories. What Allah says for marriage age ?
Surah 4:6 wants Muslims to keep youths under surveillance until they reach to puberty and still keep them under surveillance until they reach enough mental maturity and allow them to marry when they are logically mature enough too.
So I think the lowest marriage age in Canada is 16 and I dont think that this is mature enough age for many youth people. I am in 17 and I dont think that I am ready to grow kids. But if I was living in Canada, I would marry with someone and this would be against Islamic laws. You are a backward country.The difference here is that Canadian laws do not FORCE anyone to marry at 16 (or any other age).
I don't believe marrying a 6 year old or a 9 year old would even be legal here, as it is in many Sharia complicit countries.
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OK.
How am I ruled by Sharia?
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55 minutes ago, dialamah said:
Definitely it should go both ways. Muslims who are abusive and violent should be treated exactly the same as White Nationalists who are abusive and violent.
I'm really curious about our different experiences with Muslim men. Even wandering without male escort alone and with my sister we were never harassed to that degree. Hit on, yes lots, and groped once .. But certainly no worse than what I've experienced in Canada from non-Muslim men.
I've been curious about it, too. I wonder if my experiences have mostly been with NEWER immigrants, the town I was in had a high Muslim population and my neighborhood was where a lot of them settled. Or perhaps they were mostly from countries where there has been NO progress in the areas of human/women's rights. I dont' know if it's culture or the religion or a combination of both. But I do know, to a person, they treated Westerners with absolute and utter contempt. I don't think there was one who would've peed on me if I was on fire.
Others had similar experiences where I lived. My freind, a female warehouse manager, was introduced to a new employee, a Muslim man, who refused to look at her, shake her hand or acknowledge her when she spoke. She worried that if there was ever an accident in the warehouse, this man would not help her in any way.
This is the issue I have with Trudeau - he is not the one who has to live with these attitudes and deal with them every day. His wife will never screamed at, slapped or assaulted. He is not the one who has to live with such backwardness and just plain inhumane-ness. (Is that a word, or did I just invent it? Ha!)
I don't believe that they will adapt to life in Canada with attitudes such as this, or with do-gooders refusing to challenge them and just "going along" with them in the name of tolerance.
But this is why I believe your estimates of it only being a TINY minority with these attitudes is waaaay off.
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48 minutes ago, dialamah said:
I've seen and been the 'recipient' of anti-immigrant attacks in public, and any claim that they're staged sounds like an over-the-top conspiracy theory to me. Especially given that police investigate and charge these people.
I would hope this goes both ways. Because I've been screamed at, shouted at, slapped, assaulted (Yes, it went to court), lied to and treated as a sub-human by Muslim immigrants because I am a white woman. I watched in horror as a group of them attacked an Israeli girl on lline, outlining all the barbaric ways they wanted her and her family to die. To a person, every one of the Muslims I have met and interacted with have been angry, unhappy, violent - both verbally and physically.
Edit to add: I really never gave much thought to Muslims until I lived amongst them and had to figure out WTF is wrong with these people?
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One point from the book I found interesting:
QuoteFinally, some remarks on the term "moderate" Muslim. After the Islamic State, even Al-Quaeda appears "moderate". The term is now so relative - juxtaposed against increasingly worse atrocities - that it has become meaningless. It doesn't tell us what values the person in question holds. This is why I prefer using terms that denote values, such as "Islamist", "liberal" or "conservative" Muslim.
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35 minutes ago, dialamah said:
I think this is the same guy who was an extremist and spent some time in an Egyptian jail. Not sure of all the details.
I wonder what is meant by 'nuanced' policies?
Yes, that's the guy.
I'm reading about that in the book - what policies he wants to see impemented in Western societies to curb radicalization. So far, I understand what he's getting at and the reasons for it.
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Just an interesting sidenote: This guy who dialogues with Sam Harris in the book, Maajid Nawaz, founded this group called Quilliam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_(think_tank)
QuoteQuilliam is a London-based think tank that focuses on counter-extremism, specifically against Islamism, which it argues represents a desire to impose any given interpretation of Islam on society. Founded as The Quilliam Foundation, it lobbies government and public institutions for more nuanced policies regarding Islam and on the need for greater democracy in the Muslim world whilst empowering moderate Muslim voices.
I think he's onto something.
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Just now, Hal 9000 said:
do you really think Islam is going to reform? C'mon...do you? All evidence shows is that their belief system is spreading. Look at how the governments of Germany and Sweden (France, Belgium etc etc ) cover up for the rapes and sexual abuse. They all preach how we should be tolerant to their belief system and teach them "how to NOT rape women". Why when muslims come to a western country is it up to us to show them understanding and tolerance when there is no way in hell they'd do the same for westerners. Look around and see what's happening in Europe, muslims are not reforming - we are.
I HOPE it will reform the more violent and misogynist views it has......I will admit that I am doubtful it will happen. Not in my lifetime, for sure. The reason being - the violent and misogynistic beliefs are working for them and anyone who disagrees with them is a "racist" and an Islamophobe, why would they change their views?
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Secularism is nothing more than a commitment to keeping religion and politics separate.
You can be a secularist and still be an off-the-wall religious nutjob.
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Just now, dialamah said:
I agree reform is in order but don't agree that calling people names like 'rat Muslims' is going to lead to reform.
I don't believe most people think name-calling leads to reform.
It's nothing more than a way for small-minded people to vent frustration.
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8 minutes ago, dialamah said:
Specifically in regards to violent extremism, its estimated that approximately 106,000 or .006625% of all 1.6 billion Muslims are actively involved. 106,000 people sounds like a lot, but compared to the larger group, its pretty small.
In the book I'm reading right now, (see my above comment to Hal) Nawaz estimates that 25% of Muslims worldwide agree with violent jihad and that we shouldn't expect much help from "conservative Muslims", since they do not agree with the violent jihad, but will fully support and fight against any gender equality, etc.
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2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:
At what point can you look at a group and claim that they accept or even "like" something? For example, how many hockey fans have to accept or like fighting for us to say "hockey fans accept fighting as part of the sport"...50%...60%? When I see 15,000 stand and cheer a fight at a hockey game, I would be comfortable saying that "hockey fans accept or even like fighting in the game.
In the case of Islam, when you see stats that show high 80% or even 90% acceptance of certain ideas, I'd say that a high enough number of Muslim acceptance of stoning, hatred of homos, rape, misogyny, FGM, hatred of western beliefs etc. that I can comfortably claim that "muslims have a stone age backward philosophy".
I'm just reading "Islam and the Future of Tolerance" by Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz.
Nawaz describes the variety of lines of thought amongst Islamists, and outlines what he's doing to combat it.
I'm not finished it yet, but it's interesting so far, a different perspective, coming from a Muslim trying to reform AND change the backward thinking of so-called moderate Muslims at the same time, which he feels is essential - he feels the religion needs reforming AND that moderates need to stop the backwards thinking - both at the same time.
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You are ruled by Sharia
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I think this is where some of us differ - I believe it IS the responsibility of Islam as to how it's adherents behave, since they behave according to what they are taught.
I don't believe there would be as many child brides, if it were not for the teachings of Islam.