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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:
What terrorist activities? Aren't those indictable crimes? Perhaps it was just a signal of Canada's virtue or some such thing. Even Trudeau tries to put on a brave face of regret when it comes to the way Ottawa's hands are tied with regards to Khadr - reminds me of the excuses he makes when defending our weapon sales to Saudi Arabia.
It wouldn't bother me in the least, I have no doubt CSIS or someone from the government will be following Khadr around for the rest of his life in any case. I suspect you'd come just as unglued if Omar was with me unsupervised.
Why can't you answer the question?
Why did the government originally set up the restricted access to his family?
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34 minutes ago, Altai said:
they are also planning to make the assasin to say "he is given this duty by Erdogan."
Also, I think you mean *this* duty ----------> "doodie"
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27 minutes ago, Altai said:
Currently US is planning to assassinate someone who is known as an opposition to Erdogan and who lives out of Turkiye. The assassination is planned to be done by a US controlled terror organization FETO member and they are also planning to make the assasin to say "he is given this duty by Erdogan."
Cite?
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11 hours ago, eyeball said:
You mean an actual tried and convicted terrorist or are you people just spewing hyperbole as fact again and hoping no one will notice?
Let's think about this for a minute.
There must have been a reason why the courts originally ruled that he could NOT have access to his sister unless it was supervised......perhaps it has something to do with her terrorist activities and her vocal pro-terrorist views?
QuoteWhen brother Omar was released on bail pending his appeal of U.S. terrorism charges, a judge ruled he could only talk to his sister and mother under court-approved supervision. Khadr asked the Court of Queen’s Bench in a recently filed application to lift that restriction and others.
QuoteIn interviews with the National Post and others, the Ottawa-born daughter of an alleged al Qaeda insider spoke with jarring ambivalence about the 9/11 attacks.
The person behind the 2001 terrorist attacks wanted to hit the American government “where it will hurt it, not the people,” she told the CBC. “But sometimes innocent people pay the price. You don’t want to feel happy, but you just sort of think, well, they deserve it, they’ve been doing it for such a long time. Why shouldn’t they feel it once in a while?”
An up-to-date Facebook page under Zaynab’s name contains a mix of posts about her brother’s case, critiques of U.S. policy in the Middle East, diet advice and recipes. There are also hints of her conservative Muslim leanings.
“All sects of Islam have agreed unanimously that homosexual acts are a sin, hijab is mandatory, imams must be men,” says a cartoon-like post she shared on her page Monday. “If you reject this, you are lying to yourself and you are weak in faith. Accept Islam for what it is or leave our mosques.”
Do you think Omar should be with this person unsupervised?
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4748387/omarkhadr-canadian-passport-sister/
Khadr now wants a Canadian passport. Of course we will have to give it to him because he cites religious reasons - he wants to go to Saudi Arabia to see Mecca.
He also wants unrestricted access to his terrorist sister. Prior to this, he was only allowed to visit her with a lawyer present, now he wants unfettered access to her.
I'm sure Trudeau will fast-track this for him. And of course, we will have to compensate him for this travesty of justice and his suffering.
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55 minutes ago, dialamah said:
Egypt has reduced the incidence of FGM on ages under 15 to about 60%, from previous highs of over 90%, and its expected that this decline will continue. They've achieved this through a combination of education and laws (though they haven't done a lot to enforce those laws either as far as I can tell). Do you think a similar approach would be successful in Canada?
Your stat is misleading. There has not been a decline of 30%.
This is what the article actually said:
QuoteThe survey shows the total percentage of married females who have experienced FGM aged between 15 and 49 reaches a whopping 90 percent, but the percentage aged 15 to 17 is 61 percent, a decline of 13 percent compared with surveys conducted in 2008.
It appears that it is still a traditional requirement for women to be mutilated prior to marriage.
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31 minutes ago, dialamah said:
Egypt has reduced the incidence of FGM on ages under 15 to about 60%, from previous highs of over 90%, and its expected that this decline will continue. They've achieved this through a combination of education and laws (though they haven't done a lot to enforce those laws either as far as I can tell). Do you think a similar approach would be successful in Canada?
Education and laws probably would be successful in Canada, but unfortunately, we appear to be against both those things.
The conservatives lobbied for FGM to continue to be talked about in the Citizenship Guide, after the government removed it from being mentioned. but obviously our government does not agree with it being mentioned. They also do not want barbaric practices to be reported. And they also refuse to prosecute anyone for FGM.
Why do I think this is? Our government is very soft on Islamic extremism. I imagine it's for the same reasons why other Western countries refused to give sanctuary to Asia Bibi or the Yazidis - a well-founded fear of Muslim backlash.
QuoteAnother accusation/insult.
No, an observation. If you find it insulting then maybe it's because it's your habit.
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44 minutes ago, dialamah said:
The phrasing "Your Muslims are quite safe from being charged with it." is not a neutral comment. I will take this is as backtracking.
Of course you will. Because I'm not a Muslim, so I'm not afforded your usual "They don't really mean it that way" excuses you make for your Muslims.
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On 12/7/2018 at 6:25 PM, dialamah said:
You posted this:
What exactly were you implying, Goddess, if not that I don't think Muslims should be held accountable for practicing FGM? Care to explain?
I was making the observation that Muslims are not getting charged with performing FGM in Canada, Nor being charged when they take the girls back to whatever country to have it done.
Why do you think that is?
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27 minutes ago, dialamah said:
as if the 70% of Coptic Christians in Egypt aren't also victims
I don't know where you pulled your stats from (out of your arse apparently) but :
QuoteThe Coptic Christian population in Egypt is the largest Christian community in the Middle East and North Africa standing at between 10% - 15% of Egypt's population
And yet 90% of Egyptian women are victims of FGM. Again, the number of Chritians doing it are miniscule and are almost all found living in or adjacent to Muslim countries. For them I would consider it a "cultural" thing. For Muslims, it is the religion. The practice was adopted and promulgated by Muslims many centuries ago.
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2 minutes ago, dialamah said:
the perception that FGM is strictlya Muslim practice would result in "the public" only looking at and reporting Muslim suspects
Again, a very low opinion of the average Canadian. Again, you state that people will only be concerned about Muslims doing it and ignore any other group. That is utter bullshit.
4 minutes ago, dialamah said:Why is it such a problem for you I think the Christian/other girls who suffer FGM are equally as important as the Muslim girls?
Nice try. No where did I say that Christian girls who have it done to them are less important. YOU are the one arguing that other groups who do it would not be important to "the public". That "the public" wouldn't care if any other group did it. What is that view based on, other than you view all white people as racist Islamophhobes?
6 minutes ago, dialamah said:Are you concerned about FGM and how to address it, or are you concerned that including all the girls who suffer will weaken the "Islam is exceptionally evil" narrative?
I didn't invent the fact that it is predominantly a Muslim issue. No where did I say it never happens amongst any other group. In fact, the information I shared stated that very thing.
Why is it so important to you that this issue - which is predominantly a Muslim one (even the articles state that Christians who adopt it are in communities adjacent to Muslim countries where it is the norm) - not be addressed to Muslims?
That was neither implied,, nor said. That is just your fanatical persecution complex warping your comprehension of any discussion about Islam. As usual. Which is why you have to lie and re-word what I wrote.
13 minutes ago, dialamah said:you imply that I don't think Muslims should be held accountable.
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1 hour ago, dialamah said:
Because Muslims are popularly considered to be the primary practicers of FGM, what would happen if a "Barbaric Practices" law were passed? People would be looking at Muslims, reporting them - doing their duty to save/protect girls. In the meanwhile, Christian girls and others would be considered 'safe' even as they are also victimized.
Poppycock.
You have such a low opinion of white people, it's ridiculous.
Really?? Muslims would not be allowed to perform FGM but everyone else would? Bullshit.
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-female-genital-mutilation-fgm/4-fgm-canada
https://www.kidsnewtocanada.ca/screening/fgm
You find me anything in those documents about Canada's laws on FGM which single out Muslims. Officially, there is nothing in there that states Muslims can't do it, but everyone else can.
Unofficially, yes, Muslims are singled out because the majority of practicers of it are Muslim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation
QuoteReligious views on female genital mutilation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is a widespread view among practitioners of female genital mutilation (FGM) that it is a religious requirement,[1][2][3][7] although prevalence rates often vary according to geography and ethnic group, sometimes differing along national lines within the same ethnicity.[8] There is an ongoing debate about the extent to which the practice's continuation is influenced by custom, social pressure, lack of health-care information, and the position of women in society.[a] The procedures confer no health benefits and can lead to serious health problems.[6][10]Figures from UNICEF in 2016 suggested that FGM is concentrated in 27 African countries, Yemen, Iraqi Kurdistan, and Indonesia. Over 200 million women and girls are thought to be living with it in those 30 countries. The highest percentages are found in Somalia, Guinea, Mali, Egypt, and Sudan, where 87–98 percent of women had experienced it.[11]
FGM is practised predominantly within certain Muslim societies,[12] but it also exists within some adjacent Christian and animist groups.[13]
When the majority of practicers of FGM are Muslim, I dont' believe it's discriminatory to tailor campaigns against it to their particular brand of religion or culture, including the religious arguments against it.
Incidently, there has never been a conviction for FGM in Canada in spite of it being shown to be performed here and people taking their girls out of the country to have it done.
Your Muslims are quite safe from being charged with it.
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13 hours ago, Army Guy said:
Are you suggesting that the UN is the all to be all institution, one that can stop wars in a blink of an eye, reverse famines by sitting out money and food where ever required, who's members that are appointed are non biased, and have years of experience on governing a institution as large as the UN. An institution that is beyond questioning, or reproach....maybe it will become illegal to question them in the next compact....
I agree with you. Backwards countries have way too much power on the UN. Saudi Arabia being elected to the Women's Rights Commission is a f'ing joke.
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13 hours ago, Army Guy said:
what I do have is a bunch of questions raised by other parties, some of these parties are professional politicians who I am only assuming would be able to dissect these document and raise issues with some of it's parts...
Your questions and concerns with the Compact are iterated by the Opposition here. I have the same questions and concerns.
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Interesting that we don't allow the Catholics to deal with their shit "privately."
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6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
This is the extent of what I could find re: muslim leaders trying to suppress hate speech. One imam's personal account of a conversation that he theoretically had with other imams. It's basically just him saying "we are dealing with it privately".
Are they?
This article shows other religious groups have been trying to deal with this since at least 2012:
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/08/17/premier_defends_al_quds_rally_at_queens_park.html
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11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
It was good to see it out in the open though, just to give Canadians a better sense of what we're dealing with.
I've searched for some evidence that this has been denounced by mainstream Islam in Canada, but I have found nothing. Only other religions have denounced it.
Of course, the argument is that Muslims have no responsibility to denounce such things. They appear to subscribe to the course of action mentioned in your post:
Quoteignore it and hope it goes away all by itself.
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1 minute ago, eyeball said:
Speaking of obtuse, I asked why you support the bullshit about ignoring a question. But never mind, its obvious enough.
Clearly I don't support the Al Quds.
If you want to talk about Palestine/Israel, start another thread. Or add to one that's already created.
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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Why do you support it?
Good gawd, if after all my time on this forum you haven't figured out that I'm the last person here who would show ANY support for any kind of Islamic hate-fest, I suspect you're being deliberately obtuse.
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1 hour ago, eyeball said:
While you're at it, are you now suggesting that the issue of who's territory has grown and whose hasn't is a trivial detail? Really? Its actually come to the point that the process of Israel's settlement is now a trivial detail?
You people must be on LSD or something.
This topic isn't about Palestine. It's about the Al Qud hate-fests going on in Canada.
Why do you support them?
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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:
I'm not, an asteroid could fall on it for all I care. I'm just doubtful about the claim that the rally in Toronto called for the death of all Jews, and especially the evidence for that claim. Putting forth the notion that no one has lost, gained or otherwise 'exchanged' territory in Palestine/Israel as evidence only makes the OP's claim all the more ludicrous.
You quibble like Dia over trivial details, exact wordings, interpretations of wordings - anything to distract from the FACT that this is nothing more than a hate-fest against Jews.
How you can read what goes on at these "events" and watch the videos of the speeches made by Canada's leading imams and watch all the Muslim attendees lapping up that poison, see the absolutely insane hatred on their faces and then come here and quibble about whether or not they called for the death of all Jews, some Jews, or whatever......I just don't even know what your point is.
Disgusting.
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I had been following this case and am very disappointed in this ruling.
QuoteIn a major blow to the federal government, a judge in Detroit has declared America's female genital mutilation law unconstitutional, thereby dismissing the key charges against two Michigan doctors and six others accused of subjecting at least nine minor girls to the cutting procedure in the nation's first FGM case.
U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman concluded that "as despicable as this practice may be," Congress did not have the authority to pass the 22-year-old federal law that criminalizes female genital mutilation, and that FGM is for the states to regulate. FGM is banned worldwide and has been outlawed in more than 30 countries, though the U.S. statute had never been tested before this case.
"As laudable as the prohibition of a particular type of abuse of girls may be ... federalism concerns deprive Congress of the power to enact this statute," Friedman wrote in his 28-page opinion, noting: "Congress overstepped its bounds by legislating to prohibit FGM ... FGM is a 'local criminal activity' which, in keeping with long-standing tradition and our federal system of government, is for the states to regulate, not Congress."
For FGM survivor and social activist Mariya Taher, who heads a campaign out of Cambridge, Massachusetts, to ban FGM worldwide, Friedman's ruling was a punch to the gut.
"Oh my God, this is crazy," said Taher, stressing she fears the ruling will put more young women in harm's way. "Unfortunately, this is going to embolden those who believe that this must be continued ... they’ll feel that this is permission, that it’s OK to do this."
Taher, who, at 7, was subjected to the same type of religious cutting procedure that's at issue in the Michigan case, said she doesn't expect laws alone to end FGM. But they are needed, she stressed.
"This is a violation of one person’s human rights. It's a form of gender violence. … This is cultural violence," 35-year-old Taher said.
Yasmeen Hassan, executive global director for Equality Now, an international women's rights organization, agreed, saying the ruling sends a disturbing message to women and girls.
"It says you are not important," Hassan said, calling the ruling a "federal blessing" for FGM.
"In this day and age, for FGM to still occur — and a federal government can’t regulate this with a human rights violation — is very bizarre," she said. "This is not what I expected. It's so not what I expected."
Really, really disappointing to see democracy and Western values used against us in this way.
Kudos to Islam and their idiotic Western progressive supporters. They got what they wanted - women's and children's rights are going down the outhouse hole and we can't make laws fast enough to stop it.
Quote“The law was never debated on the floor of either chamber of Congress nor was there ever any legislative hearing addressing the justification or need for the federal law. Instead, all that exists is the criminal statute itself,” defense lawyers have argued in court documents, claiming the driving force behind the legislation was one lawmaker's belief that the prohibited conduct was 'repulsive and cruel.' "
They are actually saying that this practice needs to be "debated". And that the only reason for the law is because some might possibly find the practice cruel and repulsive.
I'm in shock and scared for women.
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I tried to find the report with recommendations on how to handle this hate-fest that was supposed to be completed in June.
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-city-bureaucrats-dither-on-hate-rally-report
QuoteCity officials, who were supposed to deliver their report at Tuesday’s executive committee, came up empty-handed.
And with perfectly straight faces, they told the committee they’ll get back to everyone a year from now after they’ve engaged in the consultations they were supposed to undertake seven months ago.
I can’t for the life of me understand how highly paid bureaucrats — who earn salaries, benefits and merit pay unheard of in the private sector — aren’t ashamed of themselves.
I also agree with this statement from the writer:
QuoteMake no mistake. If there was the slightest hint of Islamophobia or anti-black racism prevalent in these kinds of rallies, you can bet city staff would have hopped to it months ago.
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1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:
Ultimately, some folks support Islamification of Canada as a form of 'sticking it to the Cons' or similar partisan efforts. Eyeball falls into that category, I'd hazard.
And some support it in the name of multiculturalism and tolerance.
Playing with fire and insisting that everyone else play with it too.
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Compensating Khadr
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This was your answer to my question: Do you think Omar should be with this person unsupervised?
Your answer says that it wouldn't bother you at all to let a convicted terrorist continue to have unrestricted visits with his terrorist family and that he should be given a Canadian passport so that he can travel to Saudi Arabia.
Isn't that what got him into all this trouble in the first place?