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11 hours ago, marcus said:
But it's clear that:
A police source told Global News that 29-year-old Faisal Hussain had previously been apprehended by Toronto police twice under the mental health act.
Fake story by Toronto police to protect Muslims?
This is the last time I'm going to explain this to you - being arrested under the mental health act is NOT A DIAGNOSIS of any kind of mental illness.
Being apprehended under the mental health act could be anything from shooting up a McDonald's to freaking out on a cashier at a place of business.
I'm willing to wait and see what the official reports indicate. Why aren't you?
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23 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
This is just another example of Canadian blinders focused in one direction...south.
Just curious whether you have a country that you would rather have as a neighbour, as opposed to Canada?
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23 minutes ago, Machjo said:
So when did English ever serve as the sole language for the whole of Canada?
Internationally, English is a pretty important language to learn. It's one of the official languages of Canada, despite pockets of population that speak mainly another language.
As a personal anecdote - my ex-MIL immigrated to Canada from Italy in the '50's and never learned much English. She was a stay-at-home mom to 6 kids and mostly just hung around other Italians. It probably didn't affect her life too much until her children started marrying Canadian English-speaking spouses and they started having English-speaking children. It was sad that she couldn't communicate much with her grandchildren. I could tell it held her back socially, too, the longer she was in Canada.
If immigrants choose to not learn the language, not integrate into Canadian life and only hang out within their own ethnic group, that's their choice. But you don't get to whine about not being accepted by Canadians then. I'm not saying one or the other is right or wrong. It's just the way it is.
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15 hours ago, eyeball said:
The history of mental illness in the case of Faisal Hussein is a fact.
It's not a fact. You don't know and neither do I. When and if the diagnosis is made public in a report on the incident, then it will be a fact.
Bissonette was purported to be mentally ill, too, and ended up just pleading straight guilty.
QuoteSo is the desperateness of right wing speculation to dodge the probable implications of that- that Islamic terrorism had nothing to do with it.
And so is the desperateness of Islamophiles who insist that terrorism has its root cause in mental illness and has nothing at all to do with Islamic ideology.
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Just now, eyeball said:
It certainly proves there were reports of mental illness. But right wingers are always suspicious of reports of mental illness. Hell even when there is a verifiable diagnoses you people rarely give a shit and want to see ill people being punished instead of being treated.
Nope this thread is and always has been based on fear, loathing and above all else racism. Yes yes, I realize Islam isn't a race but do you? It doesn't look like it.
We all agreed that the family put out a statement purporting his mental illness.
Your claim was that there was an actual diagnosis. You have yet to prove that.
Put up or shut up.
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12 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Media reports came from police statements.
You're saying the police can't be trusted either?
You people live in a very dark strange world...how do you even manage to get out of bed in the morning? Why would you even want to get up?
You don't know a fucking thing but you're pretty sure Islam is the cause. I bet Hussain was a lefty, which of course would explain everything.
Your link does not prove what you think it does.
QuoteA police source told Global News that 29-year-old Faisal Hussain had previously been apprehended by Toronto police twice under the mental health act.
It does not say what those 2 apprehensions were about. Being apprehended under the mental health act is not a diagnosis.
QuoteA statement released Tuesday on behalf of the Hussain family said, “Our son had severe mental health challenges, struggling with psychosis and depression his entire life. The interventions of professionals were unsuccessful.”
Again, a statement from the family through a paid shill who was revealed to have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Also not a diagnosis.
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29 minutes ago, turningrite said:
I believe those who worry about the reaction of multi-generational (i.e. European) Canadians to demographic change should pay equal attention to the troubling desire within some newcomer communities to foster ethno-racial and cultural exclusivity.
I think this needs to be reiterated. Canada ranks consistently as one of the most tolerant populations on the planet, while Muslim lands consistently rank as the least tolerant. And yet some are trying to convince us that Canadians are the least tolerant and Muslim nations are the most tolerant.
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9 minutes ago, taxme said:
1. I believe that the gay community would like to turn everyone gay.
Don't worry. They don't.
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The Islamic Party of Ontario - coming soon.
QuoteIn case you have not heard of the Islamic Party of Ontario, its name was officially reserved under Elections Ontario rules in October 2018, with more steps required before it becomes a formal party.
It operates with a mandate to introduce Islamic rule in Ontario and Canada because, according to the fledgling party, “We understand and believe that Islam is the native DEEN (religion) of Ontario and Canada.”
The Islamic Party of Ontario is headed by one Jawed Anwar, who operates out of the Toronto neighborhood of Thorncliffe Park.
The founder of the party - Jawed Anwar - started the new year by threatening Tarek Fatah and the LGBQ community in Canada:
http://news.acdemocracy.org/islamic-party-of-ontario-warns-lgbtq-of-death-penalty-in-islam/
QuoteBefore this Trojan Horse can enter the gates of mainstream Toronto and Ontario politics by the ever-eager diversity-seeking politicians, perhaps you, the voters need to know what the Islamic Party of Ontario claims to desire in Canada, according to their posted principles and policies.
- Establish Islam as the natural religion of Ontario.
- Quash LGBTQ rights because “God made Adam and Eve –not Adam and Steve.”
- A complete ban on abortion except in a situation when a mother’s life is in danger.
- End the concept of “gender identity” or “seven-colour gender,” a false concept.
- Ban liquor, drugs, adultery, and gambling.
- All human beings are equal and sons and daughters of same father and mother, Adam and Eve. The better among us are those who have more fear of Allah.
- A strict law will be suggested to ban blasphemy of any religious (all) symbols and personalities.
The last two platforms I found on their website,so I didn't include in the quote.
Hopefully it works out better for us than in Belgium:
https://www.rt.com/news/425281-belgium-islam-party-segregation/
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10 minutes ago, eyeball said:
I know he had a history of depression and psychosis, and so do you.
No, we don't. We have claims from his family and a paid shill. And the police say he was involved in 2 incidents, but don't elaborate on what those incidents were. He wasn't on any kind of watch list for either extremism or mental illness so it could have been nothing more than him beaking off too much at a cashier or store clerk and the police were called.
We don't know.
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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Do you know or believe Faisal Hussein was not mentally ill?
No. And neither do you.
QuoteWhy do you imagine the difference is important - from a medical and legal standpoint?
I don't have to "imagine" there is a difference medically and legally. There is.
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21 minutes ago, eyeball said:
What do you really believe?
I don't believe all terrorist are mentally ill.
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22 minutes ago, taxme said:
It says in the bible that no man shall lie down with another man or they should be stoned. Leviticus 20:13 I guess that would make God a bigot, eh?
I hope you're not wearing any cotton/poly blends.....according to Leviticus 19:19 you are not to mix fabrics.
Unless you're a cherry-picker when it comes to commandments in Leviticus.......
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10 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Are you suggesting Muslims are immune to psychosis?
Smarten up. It's never clever to pretend to be stupid.
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3 minutes ago, Rue said:
www.sane.og
Above is a site that explains what I said in easy to understand terms for Eye and those of you who want to persist in misappropriating the terms psychotic and psychosiscwhen describing violent criminals or terrorists or trying to suggest Itasca diagnosis unto itself or is as Eye said based on reality.
My personal favourite was the person who stated the belief that all terrorists are mentally ill because why else would someone want to kill random people?
Like killing for money or in a fit of jealous rage or for religious zealotry has never happened in the history of the world before.....
It doesn't get much more apologetic than that.
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4 minutes ago, Argus said:
I'm going to delete any further post on Muslims on this topic unless it's related directly to immigration. The topic is immigration. One of the reasons it's so difficult to even discuss immigration is people like dialaham instantly change the subject to accusations of bigotry and Islamophobia, and the next thing you know we're trading nonsense. If it were at least original nonsense that would be fine, but it's almost identical to the same shit in the Islam topic anyway, with nothing that hasn't been covered before by the same people.
Sorry, Argus.
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I would like to add that although Dia has labelled me "conservative", I show up squarely liberal on every survey, I view myself as liberal.
The liberal viewpoint is that the rights of minorities should be protected. But I don't believe that means that ALL beliefs must be protected and defended. Especially beliefs that are just as illiberal as Christian fundamentalism.
There is an inordinate amount of chaos springing from the Muslim world. Whether this is due to political, social or economic issues or whether this is due to specific religious doctrines, I don't know. I suspect it's a bit of all and am not as quick to dismiss specific religious doctrines as being a cause, as some others are. While many Muslims are peaceful and wouldn't dream of violence, it doesn't erase the violence and calls to martyrdom and jihad against unbelievers in the Koran. There is a lot of violence endorsed by the Koran and to say that Muslim groups like ISIS and Al Quaeda are un-Islamic is being grossly dishonest. ISIS puts out very accurate statements quoting the Koran that completely fit their actions.
I understand that if you're a Muslim who has had your city and family bombed by the US, you would hate the Americans and want to fight them. But I don't understand how enslaving and raping 9 year old Yazidi girls protests American actions. Or by forcing non-Muslims to pay jizya or convert or be crucified publicly. Or beheading Shias or apostates who have left Islam. These aren't the reactions of someone who is just unhappy with US foreign policy. To deny the religious and doctrinal basis for these actions is foolish, IMO. There are words in the Koran that command, verbatim, what we see Islamists doing.
The question everyone is afraid to ask (and answer) is: Why do people prone to violence find Islam so appealing for their purpose?
When people say, "I'm doing this in the name of Allah" and quote verses - "Strike the disbelievers from the neck and strike them from every finger tip!" and they are doing that very thing - why do Westerners believe, No! It must be politics! No! It must be mental illness! No! It must be a video game they were playing! We never deny the political grievances. So why deny that the religion itself, the verses themselves can be a driver in these atrocities?
An example: When Pakistan banned YouTube for a viral film that mocked the Prophet. If they had told the people, "We're banning YouTube to quash political dissent." (which was the truth) there would have been an uproar. But instead, they told the people, "We're banning YouTube to stop blasphemy against our beloved Prophet." and not a peep was heard from the public.
The divinity and infallibility of the Koran is about the only thing every denomination and sect in Islam agree on. As Ali Rizvi (an athiest Muslim) described it:
QuoteOne thing Christians and Jews don’t always understand, because it’s hard to relate to, is that most Muslims do revere their holy text very differently from them. It’s not just divinely inspired or written by men of God. It is written by God himself, every letter, every punctuation mark. It’s literal, and it’s infallible. You can’t even touch the book unless you’ve performed an ablution ritual. It’s very serious.
This is why I say I believe in Muslim reform, not Islamic reform. I don’t think using mental gymnastics to reinterpret scripture is convincing. You can’t keep saying “kill” actually means “love,” or “beat your wife” is misinterpreted and actually means “kiss your wife,” and stay credible. In the internet age, everything is exposed. It's online, you can look it up in a dozen languages, multiple translations, the context and syntax and etymology of every word — any 12-year-old can dig that up today.
The Muslim Brotherhood LOVES the word Islamophobia. Muslim reformers, almost to a person, know Its only purpose is to censor criticism of Islam. When you fall for that, you're not helping to curb terrorism. You're a victim of it.
I remember reading one Muslim reformist who said, "There are many voices that need to be heard in this conversation". Shutting down the voices you just don't like or want to hear is very Islamist.
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6 minutes ago, dialamah said:
Perhaps I only said that there was messaging from Sisi to encourage tolerance and that I thought this a good thing. I should think that such a statement would imply that I recognized a problem, and welcomed attempts to solve it.
Maybe just say that, then.
Because as soon as you start claiming that Western countries are exactly the same as Muslim countries, that's when there are arguments.
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1 minute ago, dialamah said:
I don't have any reason to be offended just because you don't believe what I believe.
You must be offended. You're here loudly declaring us all morally repugnant.
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Interestingly, there are 2 news articles out of Egypt today about continued attacks on Christians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46702301
https://globalnews.ca/news/3938036/cairo-coptic-church-shooting/
Perhaps they are not as tolerant of other religions in Muslim countries as you think.
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7 minutes ago, dialamah said:
Its more than you think, then.
Well, all I have so far is you offering up the JW's as proof and a claim that "MANY" in Christianity practice avoiding unbelievers. Which goes against what I can see with my own eyes and against what I have experienced.
Sorry that you are so offended that I don't just take your word for it.
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14 minutes ago, dialamah said:
I did say "These Christians", intending to limit it to Christians who believe it their duty to remain separate from non-believers. Was no intention to claim "all" Christians believe that.
A few Christians from a couple of wonky cults that are viewed as morons by the rest of Chritianity does not prove your claim that "Many religions advise their adherents to avoid unbelievers; be friendly, they say - but do not become close. Islam isn't particularly unusual in that regard."
Avoiding unbelievers is much more mainstream in Islam than it is in Christianity. You can't name one mainstream Christian sect that practices avoidance of outsiders and you can't name one Muslim controlled country that practices tolerance and acceptance of other religions. The fact that you deny that continually and insist that Western countries are exactly the same as Muslim controlled countries is.......just bizarre. You continually portray one-off situations of intolerance in Western countries as being the norm and one-off situations of Muslim tolerance in any country as the norm. Neither is true and so blatantly dishonest that I also sometimes wonder if you are nothing more than a mouthpiece for Islam.
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10 minutes ago, dialamah said:25 minutes ago, Goddess said:
I have also never said that every woman in a hijab is an extremist or abused - another of your lies.
You have said so in virtually every conversation we've had about it. The last statement I recall from you was "if a woman chooses to wear it as a fashion statement, I view it is a slap in the face of all the women who are forced." You said a few months ago that you weren't so concerned about protecting women's rights because you consider the hijab as an "expression of Islamic extremism" and feel its justified to ban it on that basis.
Again, you take my words and turn them into "Every woman in a hijab is an extremist or abused." Not what I said. Nor did I say I was unconcerned about protecting women's rights. I said the rights of the majority of women should come before the rights of a minority who insist on promoting a practice that is harmful to women and that is a slap in the face to all the women who are forced. Nowhere did I say "Every woman in a hijab is an extremist and abused."
14 minutes ago, dialamah said:I do sometimes get a little heated; more often its like today - incredulous amusement at the over-the-top response to my statement: Many religions advise their adherents to avoid unbelievers; be friendly, they say - but do not become close. Islam isn't particularly unusual in that regard.
It's because your statement itself is "over-the-top" and false.
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9 minutes ago, dialamah said:
DoP wouldn't constantly post Quranic verses to "prove" that Muslims must be violent and hateful, while claiming that verses about peace and non-violence didn't count. You wouldn't insist that a woman in a hijab must, by definition, be an extremist and/or her husband abusive and controlling.
This is more evidence of your lying and misrepresenting.
Dog doesn't post the verses to "prove Muslims are all violent and hateful" And he has never denied that the verses about peace are also there. The problem is you perceive any criticism of Muslims or Islam as evidence that the person is morally bankrupt. That's a pretty extreme view, Dia. but it's about white people, so I guess you're allowed.
I have also never said that every woman in a hijab is an extremist or abused - another of your lies.
Meltdown? Take a good look at yourself before you go pointing the finger at others. You regularly meltdown over the slightest critique of Islam.
Good gawd, how many meltdown have you had wringing your hands over your belief that Canada is going to send Muslims to the ovens any minute now!!!!
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Faisal Hussain - the evolving story
in Federal Politics in Canada
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YOU.
And now I'm done with you.