Goddess

Please stop repeating this lie. I'm asking this for the last time, as you continue to persist in it. I've said over and over that I am not sure that I could support a hijab ban because that CAN be cultural. The burka - yes - I think it should be banned. That you think this opinion makes me a worse person than the Islamic fundamentalists and their barbaric beliefs that you defend - tells me your values are just as warped as Islam's.

No one said they weren't. The situation you speak of is RARE in Islam. Perhaps you need to educate yourself on both sides of the issue, instead of just one. The fact that RARE Muslim families protect and accept their gay family members does not mean that acceptance of homosexuality is part of Islam. It is clearly NOT. And yet you continue to argue that gays in Islam are treated no differently than gays in Western countries. You are pathetic.

Another liar for Islam.

This is absolutely 100% lying apologist. You really believe that gays in Muslim majority countries are ignored, tolerated and left alone? Please educate yourself on the plight of gay people in Islam. They are abused, threatened and tortured by their family and friends. They are jailed and lashed unmercifully. They are killed by their families. Gay-bashing has become a pastime for Muslims living in some European countries. For instance - in Amsterdam, once a mecca of tolerance - Muslims are attacking gay people daily. Alarming and disturbing to most people, dismissed nonchalantly as "propaganda" by you. Executing gays has been a part of Islam for centuries and will continue to be for as long as "normal" Muslims want it to be. https://76crimes.com/10-nations-where-the-penalty-for-gay-sex-is-death/ https://www.businessinsider.com/irans-top-diplomat-javad-zarif-defends-execution-of-gay-people-2019-6 To say that executing gays is an ISIS thing is 100% lie. Or by shooting them up in a nightclub. You seem to be stuck on the "throw them off a roof thing" - like if they aren't thrown off a roof, it doesn't count as an execution. I'm always amazed at how willing you are to throw actual human rights abuses under the bus (or off a roof! ) in favour of defending Islamic fundamentalism.

Such a liar for Islam. Astonishing. "The majority forbid it." LOL

You said the majority of Muslim nations "forbid" it. Clearly, they do not "forbid" it. Nice try at moving the goalposts - a favourite apologist trick of your's.

They do, do they?

That was the accepted historical age of Aisha by Muslims for millenia - until Islam started it's world-wide rampage of "peace" and apologists had to come up with another explanation.

He chose her - as a child - because she was beautiful and he was sexually attracted to her and wanted her as a wife. Whether that was the "norm" then or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that it's still being applied and condoned by the religion today, when marrying and bedding children has been proven to be harmful.

Except it's not just the Taliban. It's a wide swath of Muslims because they are all being taught to beat and hit their wives. How and when, even. Western countries really need to start monitoring what is going on in churches and mosques.

No, it's not the perfect time to talk about why hitting your wife is effective. This debate about whether it's good to beat women or not, has been settled. Your side lost.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. Not hitting and beating on your wife is Humanity 101 and this religion is teaching horrible things. No wonder we see what we see from this religion.

Really? You can't discuss this without knowing what it means to "hit" someone? You really don't know what it means to "hit" someone? Don't hit or beat on your wife! Not with a pencil, not with a "bunch of grass", not with a hockey stick, not with your hands, not with any object, not with anything. If you want to debate about what is acceptable to hit your wife with - just GTFO. People like you disgust me.

I fear this religion will never be able to reform. There's too much heinous stuff in it and it's easy to justify it all with the holy book. People can be taught and persuaded to see that beating or hitting their wife is wrong, but when they do it with the sanction of a religion - nothing will convince them otherwise. The legal and judicial systems which make it illegal will always come second to whatever they believe "God" tells them and will be (and have proven to be) no deterrent.

WTF are you talking about? What part of "Don't hit other people." is difficult for you to comprehend? Good lord, even children are taught that.

Anything that advocates hitting or beating your wife is at fault. Yes.

If I hit my boss with anything on any part of her body, I'd be fired. ETA: This kind of explains why almost every Muslim I've met likes to hit, push, shove and throw things at others.

This is from the previously posted apologist piece: It makes no sense that the first 2 steps are concrete, while the third step - the beating - is "symbolic."

Laughable that you think it's only me that views Islam's treatment of women as barbaric and misogynistic.

This link shows that wife beating is definitely sanctioned in Islam. This link is basically an apologist piece. This seems like Islam wanting it's cake and eating it too. On the one hand - very open about the fact that wives in Islam can be beaten and that women are inferior to men and should be treated as inferior. On the other hand - do not like being called on the fact that women are treated like trash in Islam and want to deny the effects of this teaching. Honour killings are different than domestic violence in several ways: They are not the same as "crimes of passion" which are abrupt, impulsive and unpremeditated acts of violence committed by people who have faced something unacceptable to them and are rendered incapable of self-control during the killing. Honour killing are none of those things - they are premeditated, usually with the help of other family members. Honour killings are planned in advance, usually at a family conference and can involve multiple family members.' Perpetrators of honour killings also often do not face any negative stigma from their families or religious community. You don't get to relegate women to this stone-age position and then deny that your religion that sanctions and advocates violence against women has more than the average problems with violence against women.

Is this really the Tafsir you count as a "credible source"? He sounds lovely.

So you DO interpret for yourself. Nearly everything I've read says that Islamic scholars agree that Muslim men have permission to beat their wives. There are a few who mollify or justify or make excuses as you do, but wife-beating in Islam is permitted and approved. When people reported that Omar was beating his wife, the admonition was given - "No man should be be asked why he beat his wife." https://answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm Here's a whole article with lots of Muslim scholars who advocate wife-beating: https://www.memri.org/reports/muslim-clerics-religious-rulings-regarding-wife-beating i think it's really wonderful that all these scholars agree that Muslim men should NOT beat their wives about the face. Such mercy.

Turns out you are the liar.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was supposed to be watching this board at all times and be ready to respond immediately to your demands.

http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/338423-CII-recommends-light-beating-for-wife-if-she-def