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It is a fatal flaw to look at historical situations like North America through the lens of 21st century morality.

1. Israel doesn't have a special right to land over anyone else. There is no right to land for anyone anywhere. 2. Muslim Palestinians stole land from real Muslim Palestinians? 3. The settlements are not legal and have been asked to halt their expansion 4. What do you mean with this statement? 5. If Palestine became a nation the law of return wouldn't matter since as a nation they are free to accept anyone they wish.

I don't see what the relevance of this is other than an attempt to draw discussion away from the issue.

The invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq were major mistakes on the USA's part.

Way to completely ignore the history of the situation. You have already done that so what you intend is irrelevant now.

You are right it is all a legal game. Nothing to do with rights.

Never said the Ottoman empire had no laws so not sure what point you are trying to convey. It is you who is in fact rewriting history.

Your putting words in my mouth and you seem pretty determined to misconstrue my posts.

I do not speak for them but you know do keep trying to make nonsense claims about my posts to detract from the fact that Palestinians do believe that the region they live in is their homeland or else they wouldn't had this issue with Israel for decades.

what the 1858 land code said is immaterial. Not wanting another land carved out of your own is not immaterial. I would say that puts things in perspective. The Palestinian people would disagree.

More that they didn't want a Jewish home land carved out of their own and the British interfering. Arab Nationalism is before 1900's. The grand Mufti did not start the nationalism movement as I have shown time and time again.

I said no since most of the values we have are also found in western Europe and south of the border so how do we define Canadian values if the values are not necessarily Canadian. Another point is there are some people born in Canada that do not agree with some of our values.

The expulsion of Jews from Arab lands is not a very good reason to take more land from Palestinian Arabs. There was a war between Arab states and Israel but not between Palestine or Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim-Christian_Associations "The Muslim-Christian Associations are regarded as the first manifestations of a broad based Palestinian Nationalist movement. "

Muslim-Christian Association is the start that pushed for greater autonomy for Palestine. It's start is before the Mufti.

Saying nope is not a valid argument. Try again.

Palestinian nationalism occurred before the Mufti came to power during the end of the Ottoman empire.

The Palestinian cause was around before the Mufti came along.

All occur inside Israel by people that live there.

Israel has peace with Egypt and Jordan. Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq are unstable and present no threat to Israel. Israel also occupies all of Palestine, there is no war that Arabs need to make peace with Israel over.

I have already made my version clear in other threads where I have had this discussion with you go and read them. Also I have posted the origin of the conflict on the first page of this thread.

I have not changed any subject and I have stayed within what the thread title states and what you have written. The Grand Mufti alone did not start the conflcit. You keep repeating the grand mufti over and over again while ignoring the entire picture.

Go back further and it's the Ottoman empire which competed with the other empires in the world there was no great war between the Ottomans and Israelis. We are not talking about the origin of the conflict of the Middle East but of the origin of the conflict with Israel. You can argue about the interconnection of events in the past till the cows come home in reality it's the event more recent such as world war one and two disrupting the world and the choices made in that period that set in motion the conflict we see today. If you have set of events that led up to today conflict put it here instead of ranting about Islam and it's hatred of everything.

Nothing overwhelming about it. You have one argument about how Islam is suppose to hate Jews then another on how it has to treat non believers then another on the Israel-Arab conflict. Yet you haven't explained the origins of the conflict at all you just made various arguments then posted it. The conflict began after world war one when the Ottoman empire was broken up. The British decided that some of the land in Palestine should be given to the Jewish people as long "...that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." In the Balfour Declaration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration The Arabs of Palestine, also the majority of the population, didn't like it because they wanted to either be part of Syria or have independence and the British were in the way of that as well as not wanting another nation taking territory within their own territory. Religion became a bigger part with the rise of Jihadism in Israel in the 80's.

Your argument is all over the place. I have no clue where to even start with it.