WestCanMan

The difference here being that there were actual crimes committed in the Whitewater land deal, and actual American citizens named the Clintons as being involved criminally, while under oath. "Evidence" against Trump includes some Russian-made stories, Hillary lies, an astounding amount of FBI malfeasance, and nothing at all of actual value to investigators of an actual crime. All of the evidence that ever turned up in Trump-Russia collusion was exculpatory, or proved crimes committed by the FBI. The FBI named their fall guy. Apparently it's all on Kevin Clinesmith lol: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/kevin-clinesmith-fbi-pleads-guilty/2020/08/19/6c0dec54-e0a0-11ea-8dd2-d07812bf00f7_story.html

1) Where's the cite for this allegation of Trump lining his pockets? 2) https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/trudeau-government-contributed-1-18-million-to-we-day-event-in-2017-during-which-pms-mother-was-likely-paid-to-speak Trudeau ASKED WE to host an event Trudeau GAVE WE GOV'T CASH to host that event. Some of THAT MONEY WENT TO TRUDEAU'S MOM. That's pretty linear. It wasn't an event that We was hosting themselves, Trudeau solicited them to do it. "Hey here's $1.18M to host an event that my mom will get paid to speak at." This wasn't a value for money proposition. Canadians didn't get anything out of this. Trudeau just found a way to get his mom some money. We was nothing more than a gravy train for Liberals and their family members. Again, your ignorance is appalling.

I get that you feel that way because you don't have all the info, but it's not my fault that you choose to remain ignorant. FYI there was no crime committed, there was nothing to obstruct, and the Trump team allowed themselves to be subjected to hundreds of interrogations and they submitted millions of pages of documents. Plus they were spied on. They were more than accommodating, especially when the whole RC farce was just the Dems' third instance of cheating during the 2016 election (3rd proven instance, there were probably many more).

What a ridiculously ignorant and revisionist telling of history beaver. Just because groups existed doesn't mean that they were at the forefront of daily life. There weren't riots all across America during that span of time. There were communists in America that whole time too, but somehow the US was part of NATO. Not shadowy forces. Dem AG Keith Ellison knew that the police body cam footage was highly damaging to the GFloyd riots, and he kept it under lock and key for months while America burned. It just got out because it was leaked in Britain, or we still wouldn't have seen it.

Regardless of your dislike of Dubya, the rise of islamic state is all on Obama's shoulders. Iraq was on a trajectory, and a massive genocide wasn't part of it in 2008. No one said that an instant pullout, while leaving a pile of weapons behind, was the way to go. Obama was the one who left a power vacuum in Iraq and then dismissed islamic state as a Jr Varsity terrorist squad. Syria wasn't on course for a genocide or massive widespread destruction in 2008, at all. You seem to think that Obama was powerless to right the ship, but Trump inherited a mess that was orders of magnitude larger than Obama was handed, and Trump tidied up like Martha Stewart. Killing police officers as a political statement meets the exact definition of a terrorist attack beaver. You have access to a dictionary online, maybe you should use that before you shove your foot in your mouth next time. FYI you just don't call it terrorism because you approve of it. No one calls their own side 'terrorists'. They use words like martyrs or heroes or activists.

1) ...... “under the VP/POTUS Seal”. IE, Trump didn’t use the WH as a tool to line his own pockets. 2) There was at least one occasion where Trudeau asked We to hold a ‘charitable event’, gave them over $1M taxpayer dollars, and his mom ended up speaking. That’s $CDN—>We—>Margaret Trudeau.

LMAO. You're still at the very steep end of the learning curve re: the Russian collusion investigation. I can't even be bothered getting you to square 1. Lol. Not even CNN is spewing your drivel, and up 'til now I thought that they were the worst. You're next-level crazy.

Great comment. We were all wondering what your emotional reaction was going to be. Just kidding. I don't give a rip how butthurt you are. Wars that were both entirely 'civilized' compared to the barbaric slaughter that occurred in Syria and Iraq, and one is still going on. There's literally no comparison whatsoever between '08 and '16. Islamic state was the ugliest blight on humanity since the 40's/50's. The situation in Iraq wasn't deteriorating when Obama took over. It was just the same old crap. There was definitely a need for improvement, but it did the exact opposite. The situation that Obama left behind in Iraq & Syria in 2016 was apocalyptic. The situation was a 3.5/10 when he came in and a 0.0000/10 when he left. Are you honestly trying to say that the 2008 ME was as bad as the 2016 ME? You need a history book pal. Just look at all the terrorist attacks that happened in America when Obama was POTUS. It's almost eerily quiet now by comparison. The only terrorists that are active in the US now are the ones that are endorsed by the Democrat party - Antifa and BLM. Obama and Trump both improved the economy. Neither one gets a failing grade. I'm not complaining about Obama's economy at all. This is just OT as far as our discussion is concerned. Obama gets an enormous F on the domestic relations front. He inherited an America that was focused on sports and entertainment in it's spare time. 2015 America was watching the news and everyone was bitching at anyone and everyone else. The country was completely divided among racial and political lines to an extent that I have never experienced in my lifetime, and I'm over 50. I don't remember Ford's presidency, but Jimmy Carter's America wasn't characterized by racial disharmony and hatred of police. Ditto for Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. Between 2008 and 2016 America dialled back race relations to 1870. In 2017 things were getting back to normal and by 2019 racial disharmony was becoming a distant memory. Even the Dems had stopped calling for incivility against the Republican government. Then in 2020 the carefully edited G Floyd incident helped the Obamas to divide the country again. Obama is literally the biggest piece of crap to ever serve in the government of Canada or the US. There's not even a second place. He's more of a traitor than Trudeau, and that's no small feat.

He's not what you'd call a paragon of virtue, but he's the only candidate who doesn't commit crimes under the VP/Presidential Seal. The Dems should have let Biden face the music for his obvious vice-presidential indiscretions 3 years ago when this first came out. Now they have the biggest lame-duck candidate in the history of democracy.

The ME that Obama inherited wasn’t cozy but it had a trajectory, which wasn’t “straight to hell”. The fact that it went that way is all on him. The ME of 2015 2016 was a shit-show of biblical proportions. There was literally a massive country dedicated to religious bigotry, slavery and genocide. Thats what Trump inherited. Obama said that turning it around was a 5-yr process. He was dead wrong. After only 3 years there were suddenly diplomatic relations between Israel and two arab countries. The US was not a racially divided shithole in 2008. It was a racially divided shitshow in 2016. Period.

The genesis of our discussion is exactly where I said it was.

Do you finally get it now sapper? Or do you still need a map?

Look at the bottom two posts on p684. I quoted Argus, then you quoted me.

I did quote Argus. Then you quoted me. Are you daft? If you don't want me mocking your stupid posts then don't reply to my brilliant posts.

Do you even truly comprehend what you're reading? Is anything that he said or did as bad as DeBlasio's "Hop on the subway like it's no big D"? Is anything that he did as bad as the WHO saying "Don't block international travel, don't wear masks"? Is anything that he did as bad as the Trudeau saying "Blocking international travel is racist, don't wear masks"? You're literally ignoring dozens of aggressive, concrete actions that he took to prevent the spread of C19 and citing a few quotes that don't really add up to much. Kool-Aid much?

Go look back dude. I quoted Argus, then you quoted me. It's right here on the site. Literally everyone else here has the capability of finding it.

Trump never 'downplayed' the pandemic to the extent that leftists romanticize about. He blocked travel from China when there were only 5 cases in the US. He shut down the economy when there were less than 100 deaths. If that's "downplaying C19" then what did Obama do by taking no precautions whatsoever against the swine flu and letting over 60 million Americans get infected? Downplaying C19 is when DeBlasio told people to "ride the subway and eat in restaurants like everything's normal" two weeks after Trump had already started blocking travel from foreign countries. It's when Pelosi tells people that rioting doesn't spread covid. It's when Cuomo sticks people back in care homes when they still just have a bit of a cough. It's when Trudeau and Biden say that travel bans are racist. It's when Liberals and Democrats say "hey it's no big deal that the WHO gave everyone on the planet the worst advice possible".

FWIW, even I find Shaky a bit of a bigot and a weasel. I'm surprised the pitchforks didn't come out for him a long time ago. He has the greedy Jew story, the woman who just needed to put in her place story, the character assassination of MacBeth, etc. He can turn a phrase like no other but I'm not a fan.

Social currency is the perfect terminology. I coulda used that one when I explained TDS to my son like this: Some people have never accomplished anything worthwhile in their lifetime, and when they sit at Thanksgiving dinner with the successful members of their family or they sit at lunch with their boss who's 20 years younger than them, they always feel like they're the low man on the totem pole. Suddenly in 2020 the fact that they hate Trump more than anyone else makes them the coolest person in the room. "I smashed in the window of a store, stole some Nikes, and then I lit that bitch on fire because I hate Trump so much!" "Whoaaaaaa. You're like a modern-day Robin Hood!" Social currency. I'm stealing that one.

Saying that Obama should have visited hurricane victims instead of playing golf, or that he shouldn't have ditched an Ebola conference for golf, isn't a critique that has anything specifically to do with 'golf' though, right? It's about the optics of a POTUS brazenly taking a personal day during a time of crisis. For someone to compare a bunch of random golf days with a day spent hitting golf balls off the quarterdeck of the Titanic while it was sinking doesn't qualify as a 'gotcha' moment imo.

I was responding to Argus's comment, he was trying to say that Trump doesn't work enough because he's too busy watching Fox and sending tweets. You chimed in with a comment like "lying on his scorecard isn't work, well maybe it is for Trump because of the math involved". The case has been made here before that "Trump played more golf than Obama and that means that Trump is lazy." It's just part of the run-of-the-mill crap that leftists spew because they have no complaints against Trump's record as POTUS that carry any actual weight. Then you carry on with comments which boil down to "Trump is the worst POTUS ever and the proof of that is just the fact that I said it!" If you look back over your posts, I'm sure you'll find that they're typical leftist platitudes - full of emotion & accusations while completely devoid of factual content.

There you again with childish/generic insults and not even a hint of merit.

This is yet another of your valueless posts sapper. You want to throw insults at Trump but you have nothing worth mentioning. I named two massive Obama failures and you just have another generic insult to throw down. You don't really know how this works, do you?

I gotta go, I'll be back in a few hours. That should be plenty of time for Argus, dialamah and Michael Hardner to (try to) come up with an example of a time that CNN covered a story with accuracy & integrity, or when Biden said something intelligent.

I didn't imply anything. I just said it because it was true, and I gave reasons why it was true. You were butthurt. Not my fault. Think before you post next time. There are hundreds of specific topics re: Trump that you chime in on for a beatdown if you want one sapper. I'm not responding to your childish, generic insults.