WestCanMan

Hope springs eternal among leftists. Every day they forget just how soundly all of their talking points were defeated the day before, and they start bloviating again as if they're onto something. Soon enough, their noise dies down and they go silent. Don't worry though, they'll be reinvigorated by tonight's propaganda and they'll be back tomorrow to try again.

1) That's not actually true and 2) I mean that for sure that anyone who watches CNN/CTV and doesn't watch Fox News is a complete idiot and a waste of time. You should just watch the show a couple times if you're sure of yourself, and then come here to weigh in on his comments. I'll watch the idiots who spoon feed you for a day and then shred their credibility for once and for all. Deal?

Just from a common sense POV, it would be pretty impressive if covid could enter hundreds of millions of people, infect trillions of cells, and not mutate at all. IMO that's the unlikeliest outcome of all.

I just wanna be clear on one thing - low C19 mortality rates among healthy people doesn't mean that no one who is healthy can die. The regular seasonal flu kills 400 kids in the US every year (much less last year) - the flu is nothing to trifle with. However - what the stats to this point have shown us, is that C19's killing-spree has been mostly among old and very unhealthy people. The media likes to ramp up the panic, they're very close-mouthed about the average person's chances of a life-altering outcome from covid, and they're quick to lie about everything covid-related - it's basically guaranteed that they will lie about it all. I have every reason not to trust them and no reason to believe anything that they say. That's why I'm not waving pom-poms about the vaxx, it's why I am very skeptical.

Looking at that graph above, it does seem like daily covid cases went up during the rioting season... PLEASE DON'T KILL ME NANCY PELOSI! I'M JUST A MESSENGER!

Below is a graph of covid cases per day in the US, right from Day 1. They had better access to vaccines than we did, and a more timely 2nd dose as well. We got them much later here, and Canadians also went over the recommended delay between the 1st and second doses because our supply was short. Anyways, here are the US covid daily stats, which followed the seasonal flu's general yearly trend in both 2020 and 2021, as would be expected. The vaccine doesn't sem to have had much of an impact: Claiming "THE DELTA VARIANT IS COMING! CASES WILL RISE THIS FALL AND WINTER! RAISE YOUR ARMS OVER YOUR HEAD AND FLAP THEM AROUND WHILE RUNNING IN CIRCLES!" is kind of like saying "THE SUN WILL COME UP TOMORROW! FREAK OUT!". Isn't it weird that from the time C19 came out, everything that we heard about it was geared towards us taking the Big Pharma vaccines? "COVID DIDN'T COME FROM A LAB THAT WE FUNDED, BUT LUCKILY, BY COINCIDENCE, RESEARCH ON THESE VACCINES STARTED A LONG TIME AGO! HCQ IS A KILLER! THERAPEUTICS CAN'T POSSIBLY WORK! LOOK, INFECTIONS WENT DOWN THIS SUMMER BECAUSE OF THE VAXX! EXPERIMENTAL mRNA VACCINES ARE COMPLETELY SAFE - IGNORE THE DEATHS AMONG HEALTHY PEOPLE - ANECDOTES ARE USELESS! CHECK OUT THE ANECDOTES ABOUT FAT 56 YR OLDS DYING THOUGH! A NEW VARIANT HAS COME OUT AND EVEN THOUGH THE VACCINES DON'T STOP YOU FROM GETTING IT, YOU WILL HAVE A 99.98% CHANCE OF SURVIVING IF YOU'RE NOT REALLY OLD WITH CO-MORBIDITIES AND YOU HAVE THE VAXX! EVERYTHING ABOUT THE VAXX IS AWESOME, NEVER QUESTION IT NO MATTER WHAT! UNVAXXED PEOPLE DESERVE TO DIE - OSTRACIZE THEM! THE VAXX IS THE ONLY WAY! BY NEXT SUMMER, NEW VAXXES WILL FLATTEN THE CURVE!"

OMG, is hay fever coming out? EVERYONE GET AERIUS OR I HOPE YOU DIE FROM SNEEZING!

Worldwide, it seems like 1.4M people die a year from TB, which is comparable to the total number of covid deaths from 2020. Career politicians and rich folks who own TV stations in developed countries aren't smack-dab in the middle of the target demographic for TB deaths though, so it's not on the list of things to be fear-mongered.

I googled that and saw numbers in the hundreds. Where did you get that stat? Do you mean "The Americas"? As in, all of North & South America? Still, seems like a lot.

You mean, the same Nancy Pelosi that creates all kinds of mask regulations for the entire population and then keeps getting busted for not following them herself?

The MSM does two things - 1) pump up the hysteria about covid and 2) vilify anything or anyone who poses a threat to the "VAXX UBER ALLES" line of thought.

Why do think they had to mention "no underlying health conditions" in this instance? That's pretty odd, right? Unless having underlying health conditions is quite common among covid deaths. Also, FYI, being a smoker, or smoking a lot of weed, isn't an "underlying health condition", but it reduces your chance of surviving a respiratory illness, don't ya think? So do certain occupations. Maybe he has mold in his house. There are a lot of reasons why anecdotes don't pass muster. Do you think that this is an example of an anecdote, Aristedes? I used stats from over 200M deaths and you had to trot out two anecdotes that are chock full of fear mongering. FYI there are also anecdotes about healthy people who died from the jab, and 17 yr-old athletes who got serious inflammation around the heart and were in excruciating pain from just breathing for two weeks. But the plural of anecdotes isn't stats so I don't generally throw those kinds of things around.

When people are at the high end of life expectancy, and have 1 or more co-morbidities, they are absolutely "near death". You're trying to act like "a death is a death is a death" but that's not the case at all. Spanish Flu killed a lot of people in the healthiest demographics of all. 28 yr olds had a high mortality rate. Pregnant women had a high mortality rate. That's scary. 55M people died from it and the world had a much lower population. That's scary. You obviously have no clue about covid deaths so why don't you research it and get back to me? You should at least do the bare minimum to educate yourself on a topic before you run your mouth in such an opinionated fashion.

He's the picture of health. He looks like he could have competed in the 100M at the Olympics. J/K, he's old and fat. IE - he's right in the target demographic for C19. Do you have something intelligent to add or was that post just a waste of bandwidth? Can you imagine someone saying: Seems pretty loser-ish, right? Well, that's exactly what you sound like.

Within 3 days. I didn't say that "in every instance where people died of covid, something else was 100% to blame". I said that "in the majority of cases where people died with covid, they were already near death". The average age of people who died with covid is pretty close to the average age of life expectancy. Have a look. Go learn something instead of bloviating and regurgitating idiotic propaganda.

It's not conjecture at all Aristedes. I posted the links that showed covid deaths by age group. I posted a link that shows how many people are in each age group. What part of that is conjecture? What part, Aristedes? FFS man, you trying to win a debate about stats is like an ant trying to kick in the door to the Federal Reserve.

... still experimental. Aside from the emergency-use-only approval granted for C19, no mRNA vaccines have ever gotten FDA approval. Can you name a vaccine that wasn't hyped up to be super-exciting? The swine flu vaccine of just a few decades ago had horrible, permanent, life-altering side effects. Thalidomide created tens of thousands of malformed babies. Common medications for all kinds of things like acid reflux are now known to cause cancer and a whole host of other issues. Thousands of people have died within 3 days of getting vaxxed for covid, many more had extremely bad side-effects, and 3/4 of the people who were found to be infected with Covid in a large, recent Massachusetts study were already vaccinated. You're waving the pom-poms for something that you have no useful knowledge of.

Looking at stats and interpreting them intelligently are two different things. Judging by your recent posts, you interpret stats like Tide Pod-eaters follow instructions. There's nothing opinionated about stating that "case mortality rates" isn't the same as "your chance of dying if you get this disease". If you just used google then you'd know that I am correct. CMR is simply a measure of how many people died vs the number of confirmed cases that had final outcomes, nothing more. It falls well short of actually stating your chances of surviving covid, period. For you to think that "every single person who had covid was included in that stat" is just sadly and horribly wrong. For you to think that "lots of people who are so sick that they think they're gonna die don't go see a Dr" is equally laughable. I can't explain any of this to you, you won't even do a .0001 second google search to help yourself understand these basic things. It's just over your head dude, you're just digging yourself deeper every time you post.

Maybe you should ask yourself this before you post: Am I contributing in a meaningful way to the discussion, or resorting to childish insults because the propaganda I saw on TV last night doesn't stand up to the arguments put forth by people who use stats, and think for themselves?

The "science" of truthers comes from every shred of covid data ever gathered. They're a weird lot, to be sure.

Governments brainwashed legions of useful idiots like you to help them force vaccine passports upon people who are not at risk from covid and who don't want to take experimental MRNA vaccines which sometimes kill people or cause grievous bodily harm.

Tell me if this sounds sick: You need to grow up Aristedes. No decent person thinks like you do.

You obviously have no clue what "cherry-picking stats" means. I used world-o-meter, which uses every shred of data available from this planet. FYI that's the exact opposite of cherry-picking Aristedes. Stop using words when you don't know what they mean. In any event, you're sitting there with a computer, and this thread is about "getting vaccinated in Canada" so obviously you're in the developed countries that we're talking about. Like I said before, stats are not your friend. LMAO, you just talked about cherry-picking stats and then you trot out this, which is 1) cherry-picked 2) a much smaller sample size and 3) anecdotal. You're way out of your depth here Aristedes.

You're grasping at straws now and your logic is hopelessly flawed. If you think about it, it stands to reason that in countries where only 10% of the people go to see a Dr when they're sick enough to die, less than 10% of the people go to see a Dr when they're asymptomatic or not very sick at all. Another thing, we get enough stats from the nations that are advanced enough to compile stats - we have data from 200 million cases to look at. That's more than enough to go on. My stats were bang on. Here's something else for you to look at: The vast, vast bulk of covid deaths come from people over 65. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ 477,000 were 65 and older. Only 27,000 were under 50, and people under 50 make up way more than half of America's population. Only 12% of the US population is over 65: https://www.infoplease.com/us/population/population-65-years-and-over-age-1990-2000-and-2010 So, the vast bulk of covid deaths came from 12% of the population, but if you look even closer, most of those people who died also had co-morbidities. Take your 2% CASE MORTALITY RATE, and then factor in your age and relative health to figure out of you're in danger. If you're over 75 and have two co-M's, you're in danger. If you're under 60 with no co-M's you have way more than a 99% chance of survival. WAY MORE. PERIOD. If you cn't understand that from looking at this data then looking at data is a waste of time for you.

And you think that excluding people from society isn't forcing them to get immunized? "Stay in your home til you starve or get the shot. It's a free country." - Argus