WestCanMan

600 years ago the Christians were ahead of the muslims in every way, and they always will be in terms of religious tolerance and humanitarianism. That's never going to go away. There is too much emphasis on intolerance in the hadith and the quran. The old battles and the hatred aren't things of the past to people who absorb those ancient texts, the quarrels are new and important to everyone who reads them for the first time. Sure there are failed attempts at creeping towards progressive societies in muslim countries, big deal. There's still not a muslim country on earth that's safe to live in for anyone else. Safe for the next 6 months maybe, but those areas are too volatile. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia today.

Islam isn't evolving at all. There is no new testament (the Haidith was not a step fwd), the women are still second class citizens, they still flex on any culture smaller than them every chance they get, their governments still have laws against atheism, their governments still commit genocide and allow the expulsion of non-muslims, they are still running around playing Mahommed and beheading people, they still consider it legal to rape women not wearing a burqa, and most of all they still put their religion ahead of human lives. Stop thinking that muslims are moderate just because of the way they act in areas where they have just immigrated and are a small minority. That's completely stupid - when the smallest kid in class doesn't pick on the biggest kid in class it doesn't prove anything about their character. The only way to judge a human/group is by the way they act when they have power. Think about what happens in areas all over the world where the Muslims have the majority. The same thing that has happened for over 1,000 years. At what point do you start to see a pattern? Patterns are important. Eg, when the days keep getting shorter and it is getting colder outside it doesn't mean that we are approaching eternal darkness. After Dec 21 the days start getting longer again. That's valuable information. Patterns can be used to study more than just the weather. People who were drunk on 30 days in November will probably get drunk on as many days as they can in December too. If a person like that spends a day in the hospital with no access to liquor and they manage to stay sober that's not considered proof that they have quit drinking. Muslims in Asia and Africa are on the exact same path as in the middle east. It's not the exception to the rule. Women without burqas in muslim areas are targets for abuse and rape worldwide.

Don't you think your comment was just a little broad, to equate troubled teens here with mass murderers? Trudeau dropped out of college without a degree, was he just about to start beheading people before he got his first job at Superstore?

The age of the religion has nothing to do with how peaceful it is, and Jesus wasn't exactly worshipped by Romans lol.

When you need plants in your yard do you just let the seeds blow in from the cute yellow flowers in your neighbours yard or do you go out and get some seeds from a nursery? We don't just need immigrants, we need people who stand a good chance of becoming good citizens. We could also spend more money on our own youth to help them become model citizens.

So what's an acceptable number of terrorists from 35,000 immigrants then jacee? lmao

Yup, it grew more peacefully, and spread further tho.

How does "not being a saint" equate to "hell bent on murdering innocent people"? Is stealing a candy bar the same as beheading non-combatants or shooting high-powered assault rifles into innocent crowds of people? I think most non-saints from here are more into candy bar theft than mass murder. I don't recall the last mass murder by a Canadian youth. Ecole Polytechnic I guess. That was a lone loser though, not a group. You have to have a large crowd of losers to draw from to form a whole gang intent on blowing people up.

There are also schools all over the country that teach in foreign languages, complete with culture and religion from the old countries. There is an Iqra school for elementary children not far from where I used to play baseball. The jesuits would say "Give us a child until he is 6 and he will be ours for life". Kids can easily grow up in this country and be completely devoid of any Canadian culture, customs and ideals.

I meant Jews and Muslims, historically. They both started out on the same spot on the face of the planet. Of course since they are both just religions any race can be associated with either one, but their founders were the same.

You remember they held spain for hundreds of years and they were attacking Greece non-stop until the crusades started right? They didn't just stop because they became nice all of a sudden. We are free from Islam because so many people fought in the crusades, not because of their kindness.

Why are they fleeing? Moderate muslims are the majority right?

Damn magic mouse, I just lost my whole reply and now I have to do it agin. Coles notes: Poli-sci doesn't trump monotheism. Public school system isn't the only choice for people who want don't want their children to adopt to Canadian ideals. :Irocksmiley:

A race is a visible difference between people. Jews and Muslims are historically of the exact same genetic stock. Culture/religion is the dividing line that you are probably looking for in that instance.

Citizen there are people all over the world displaced by war, and that's what the Syrians are facing. They are just displaced by war, they're not actually refugees unless they are being persecuted for some reason. It's true that muslims want their religion to be the only on earth, and it's also true that most other religions have the same agenda. The muslims just have a different strategy and that involves explosions in public areas and beheadings. Mohammed adopted a policy of murdering, beheading people and destroying all other places of worship until nothing was left but Islam. (They say that he "retaliated his way across the desert" but he was the man who wrote the book on fear-mongering and we all know that the winners write the history. The followers of IS are closely following the instructions of the Hadith, it's the 2nd most important text in Islam which basically chronicles the life of Mohammed so that others can follow in his path. The large beard with the shaven moustache is look adopted by those followers.) Christianity has a different playbook. They go to places with undeveloped economies and give out bread and medicine along with their christian indoctrination. People come for the bread and leave spiritually indebted. Small price to pay right? The missionaries are closely followed by captains of industry with more bread and some cozy factory jobs and the next thing you know the indigenous people have a population explosion, a religion and Nikes. Monotheism is powerful. Noone wants to think their granny is just wormfood after her last breath. Everyone fears death. It's human nature to want to establish meaningful bonds, especially with more powerful people (or entities). Even educated people with a strong understanding of the known universe & biology can overlook the ridiculous creation theory because their craving for an imaginary friend completely overpowers their intellect. Islam is not tolerant when it doesn't need to be, and everywhere that Islam shares a border with another culture it's like tectonic plates of human suffering and hatred. Even within Islam, between the different sects it's been that way for 1,000 years. It makes northern Ireland look like a playground. The form of Christianity we see today is quite tolerant, to the point where sikhs and buddhists can build temples & pagodas, worship as they choose and walk around freely in Christian dominated areas. Look around the world and back in history at the places dominated by muslims and ask yourself if you would want to live there. If you would feel comfortable raising your children there if you worshipped another god or none at all. It would be like raising your children in Yankee Stadium with BoSox shirts on, only the Yankee fans have a sacred text which instructs them to follow in the path of Babe Ruth, and the holy Babe had commanded his followers to conduct beheadings "if necessary". I think a lot of Canadians feel the pressure to be politically and to assume that all people are basically the same. That part is actually true. (Jews, Christians and muslims are from the exact same gene pool and their religions share most of the exact same entities in their own way). But not all cultures are the same, and since there is so much history proving that Oil and water don't mix why would we just try to repeat this failed experiment? Isn't that the nature of insanity?

If they had a better chance of winning they would have a lot more members too. Not a lot of people like their odds against hellfire missiles when they are running across the desert.

Then what do you want to do about the muslim countries where sex with very young boys is a legal, a time honoured tradition? Look at me going down that road...

50% of the muslims are women, and males under 16 and over 40 account for about 50% of the males. So about 75% of Muslims don't fit the bill for being active in IS. Therefor the .005 comes from about 25% of the population, assuming that Sunni & Shia set aside their differences to do this together (doubt it but let's pretend). That means that 1/50 males of military age are in there, or 2%. Then there are men in that demographic who support it but are too afraid to fight, disabled, don't have the means to get there, have family & obligations, etc. 2% of all available males seems alarmingly high imo. When you say .005% do you mean 0.005 of one 1% (5 out of 100,000) or 5/1000? It's not unconventional to say .750% meaning 75%. It's normal in baseball for example. If you meant .005 of 1% that still makes .02/100 available males (1/5,000). It's a lot, when you consider that they are signing up to massacre women and children, not just to fight against other men. It's disgusting.

I never said you were with terrorists did I? That's just your little straw man eyeball, a lame debating tactic at best. I'm thinking that you are very naive to be so eager to hustle in tens of thousands of people who come from societies which rigidly oppose the kind of liberal notions you are so fond of. Their utopian society doesn't have Christians, Jews or atheists in it either. Are you one of those? A sikh or buddhist maybe? Guess what, the people coming here did nothing to protect the rights of anyone, and by anyone I mean everyone who isn't a muslim. We are getting a mixture of cowards and people who are complicit with the actions of the IS. I say that they are cowards because theoretically the moderates are the majority right? Sharia law isn't "conservative", it fits better into a category like "undemocratic" or something. A lot like when the leader of the federal liberals bans a popular opinion from his party. Do you really feel like you were turning this around? You aren't good at it, that was weak.

If you are a liberal then why are you so supportive of the people who are creating least liberal regimes in the world? Is sharia law an example of liberalism?

It's called fear mongering and that's one of the tools they use to justify killing. They didn't just start it in the last 100 years, they have been saying it since they started killing off the polytheists around Mecca. FYI, that happened before they knew about the USA. This new wave of massacring people and destroying everything related any other religion aside from Islam isn't so new, it's straight out of Mohammed's playbook.

You're right Big Guy, those songs are right on par with the acts of terrorism that are committed every day, all over the world where there are large muslim populations. Give yourself a pat on the back.

So you lack the list of similar quotes from the bible, do you want to compare a list of terrorist activities next?

Where do you get the impression that countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc are a lot like Canada with regards to human rights and tolerance of minorities? Houses are a lot cheaper over there, maybe you should go live with those wonderful people for a while and share your stories of acceptance and brotherly love? Talk is cheap reefer, you wouldn't spend a week in any of those countries if it was free.

I'm well aware of the history of Islam, Mohammed, the Koran and the Hadith. Are you? Tell me what a wise and kind person Mohammed was, and how nice it would be if all muslims followed his example. Tell us how few people died in order for that religion to spread, and how they are the model for tolerance that is revered worldwide Reefer. I'll grant you that your post is not fear mongering but it reeks of naiveté.