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I think they will do another partial election. If they do, I bet the Bloc will get more support this time.

It is the Karma. What did NDP for the Liberals? In exchange for just one program, NDP supported the Liberals like if they were a majority. This is a huge gift. How do the people appreciate it? They voted Liberals since NDP became so irrelevant. That is lesson number one. Now that the Liberals get more powerful and NDP miserable, how do the Liberals thank NDP for such loyalty? By spitting on them and refuse them the official party status. That is lesson number two. Do the NDP learn the lesson this time? We'll see. As soon as the NDP will get its new leader, it should refuse to support ALL motions of confidence toward to Liberals. They have nothing to lose anyway at this point. But if they keep supporting the Liberals, then it means they learn nothing. They get what they deserve.

Of course I do not forget that constitution made without us. There are some points in it that are unacceptable. But as René Lévesque said, Canda is not the goulag either. I talked about very recent events as well. When the french outside Québec want to send their kids to school, they often have to fight up to the supreme court to have them in public schools. Or the federal programs in the provincial competencies that we do not agree on. Both are happening in the 21st century. Of course. At least you can fix the errors of the past by fixing the present. What was unacceptable back is still unacceptable today. Very easy today but, Ottawa is a bad faith. Recognition of Québec nation. Quebec can choose its own senators. Opt out with full compensation. Choose our own judges. Select immigrants ourselves. Those are actual issues. Then why do they still have to fight so hard to have the same rights and services as other canadians? On the contrary, we will have much better influence. How many times the Canada took a position different than we would. Trudeau literally sacrificed Québec in the first Trump mandate when he broke the NAFTA. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer that we stay united but, not at this price. No worries about that. Québec did good despite the actions of Ottawa against us. We will do good without Ottawa. However, some provinces will realise that they can do like Québec as well and they will figure out that Quebec was right. Ottawa has too much power. Québec does not want to leave because of the past. It wants to leave because Canada can't adapt for the future.

It is called FACTS. In PEI, when few acadians came back after the deportation, all the lands they once owned, belong to british owners. So they lived and worked on their former lands and paid an enormous rent to their new owners. Read about those things. Dig and find out. The Thornton Bill in Manitoba. Making public french schools illegal. That province passes from a 50-50 french-english speaking to only 3% of french today. That bill has been judged illegal by the supreme court circa 1989. There are a lot of documentation about that. Here is one: https://ericmessier.net/pdf/genocide_quebec_canada.pdf B.S. Québec has been milked all the time through history. They merge upper canada and lower canada, become uppar had a big debt and lower did not. Out of sudden, we had to share their debt. While Ontario's nuclear and Alberta's oil has been largely subsided by Ottawa for decades, Québec's Hydro never received a penny. There are many federal programs where Quebec does not get its share. So bottom line, the equalization is not that great. It is rather a counter balance of the other programs. I remember when Newfoundland was getting the most per capita from equalization. The other provinces were blaming them for being bad at developping their province. But NF was not getting its royalties from its oil like Alberta. All of it was going directly to the pockets of Ottawa. So NF rejected the canadian flag, they started to talk about seperation and then bang! Ottawa gave them the same conditions of Alberta. As of today, Ontario and Alberta are still receiving funds from Ottawa for Nuclear, Automobile, Oil and so on. What is left for Quebec, equalization. In 1981, Québec and 7 other provinces team up together and they were called, the group of 8. They wanted an opt out with full compensation of a federal program. In the night of november 4th to 5th, they all back stab both Quebec and their own provinces and they give up that condition. I guess Alberta regrets today. Even Palpatine cannot do that. He had to foul everyone and have the senate to vote the change of the constitution. So he did. If the Canadian parliement vote for the same thing, the king will become the dictator. Because it doesn't. At least the president is someone we choose and can get rid of 4 years later. We are stuck with the king and he doesn't look like he appreciates his job. I do not want to waste energy convincing you that the monarchy isn't good. It is your choice and it is ok for you. It will never be for me. Neverthenless, the monarchists in the english Canada is losing supporters every year.

What do they teacgh you in school? What have you learned about the genocides the british did to the french and natives? Acadians deportation, Louis Riel's revolt, process of skrinking native territories down to small reserves... How can you seriously say that? The aristocratic system that makes the royal family getting among the biggest subsides in the world. Less than 40% of the people support the monarchy in Canada. The monarchy missed an incredible opportunity to win the respect of Québec in 1982 when they allowed the federal and the 9 other provinces to kick out Québec from the constitutional team. Have you ever heard the concept of Republic? Like USA or France?

The provinces gave the federal that power. It was as obvious in 1867. Ottawa can play in the provinces' compentencies without their permission. Ottawa is doing it all the time by the way. That is why the provinces wanted modifications in 1981 until they gave up everything on november 5th. So no, it's not equal. However, maybe you misunderstand me. That sovereignty is not absolute. Ottawa can change the constitution only if it gets 7 provinces and 50% of the population. Almost 100% of the countries that got their independence were from countries that had no exit clause. Most of the F.N.'s treaties are signed with the Crown and several of them are priori the creation of Canada. Alberta has a major problem because they have no treaties with the natives (unless I am missing something), so if it seperates, it has a serious problem. However, Québec did anticipated the issue and there treaties signed between Québec and first nations on its territory.

The fededral has the last word because it is the sovereign of all provinces. If one or more provinces get its sovereignty, the federal has no longer the last word. The federal is forced to negociate, otherwise it gives the legitimity to the province to seperate unilaterally. The Clarity Act is a joke. It does not define what is a clear majority, therefore its utility is comparable to a toilet rolled paper. Anyway, Québec is safe because it did not sign the 1981's constitution. It is a little bit more complicated for Alberta. But the UN or international community never refuse the right for autodetermination to the people, unless it has serious reasons to doubt that it reflects the will of the people. Unless Québec or Alberta have a question so complicated that an observe can't understand it, there won't be an issue there. Senators: There are no green party in Quebec. That question should regard the National Assembly of Quebec and it does not have to be the same method as Alberta. Let's say Alberta wants an election of senetors from the citizens, so be it. And if Quebec prefers a vote among the mps, so be it as well. Quebec judges: The PM of Canada decides who are selected among the candidates in Quebec. Hard to get recognitions?: I am older than the indepedence of more than 50 independent countries. To name few, Solvaquia 1993, Bruneï 1984, Belize 1981, South Suddan 2011, Montenegro 2006, Surinam 1975, Papua New Guinea 1975. I am born in 1973. It is the opposite. It is rare that a country is not recognized.

unless I have missed one, Trump is not calling Carney a governor like he did with Trudeau. So far.

A non sovereign province trying to negociate with the federal, is like playing poker but, you are showing your cards to your opponent. So far, all the provinces but Quebec did not mind because it was a cultural acceptation that Ottawa play in your sandbox. It seems that Alberta is starting to think like Quebec. I just wonder at what phase they actually are. Still thinking you can play poker by showing your cards, or ready to assume full sovereignty attitude. Quebec sovereignists are observing with serious interests. In another post, I suggested that we should improve the canadian federalism and make it possible for a province to become an autonomous state within Canada with the following features. -Opt out from federal program with full compensation -Select your own senators the way you want it (election involved if it is what you want) -Select your own judges -Can make treaties to other countries without needing an approval from Ottawa as long as it does not enter into conflict with the federal ones -Ottawa's decisions, even regarding international deals, can't be done without the provincial/state if it regards a competency of the state. Right now, there are no federal parties that offer this and it is pointless to wait for it. So if Alberta and Quebec coordinate a plan for a referendum on sovereignty and then offer this kind of partnership to Ottawa, I think it could become very interesting. Ottawa won't be able to cope a NO and then deal with the consequences of a collapsing system. But if we engage that way, we can't bluff. It's all in by assuming decisions of sovereign nations.

Do you think she is just bluffing like Robert bourrassa was doing back then, or she is totally converted to the concept of Alberta`s sovereignty? In other words, if Carney gives her most ofwhat she wants, do you think she will stop heading toward Alberta's sovereignty, or she stood up Alberta's autonomy until the end?

It is difficult to hold a smile when I see Danielle Smith suggesting that the federal should respect provincial competencies and mind its own busines. She says Québec would like that as well and other provinces too. Oh I agree with her but, I feel the need to say that this is what Québec has been telling you since 1867. The federal government has too many powers and there should no be overlaps. In 1981, the group of 8 was claiming the very same thing until the 7 others choosed to betray their own citizens and Québec. The solution is easy. They just don't want to understand it. Let's repeat it one more million of times. 🤠

No, he just did the math.

Before the election, everybody sticks to their beleif/propaganda/political agenda. Afterwards, people tend to loosen their positions and become open to new perspectives. So just for fun, I would like to see what are your thoughts on a utopic party I imagined. Utopic because right now, none of the 5 parties are near to offering something like that. The Confederacy Party of Canada Objective: Add a new administration type called state. We already have the territories, the provinces, now we would have the states. A Province could choose to become a state after a referendum won by 50%+1. A canadian state would be similar to a province but, it would have a much greater autonomy. More autonomy also means more responsibility and you depend more on your own. The most important part is, the state has a right to opt out of any federal program with full compensation. This idea is now new. That is what the group of 8 wanted in 1981 until the english provinces back stabbed Québec and give Trudeau everything he wanted. Example: Let's say that only Manitoba chooses to become a state. Then the federal creates a program called Z that half of the provinces want. In this current canadian federation, whether you like it or no, you have to follow the federal's will. But with this new status, Manitoba would be able to say no to the Z program and get full compensation by getting its share of the budget for that program. The state would also have other powers, such as choosing their own senators, judges and so on. Prime minister of Canada has no say anymore. The state can also interact with other sovereign countries without the approval of the federal. They can make deals, as long as they do not conflict with the ones set by Canada. A state also has a say on deals Canada can make with other countries, if it concerns a competency that belong to the state. An important rule of the party, no one can push a right wing or left wing agenda. The purpose of the party is to make this happens. If you want to remove a woman right's to abort, or crashing money into the system thinking it sounds like an investment to you, you are not welcome. When you join, you put a pause to those agendas and you focus on that main project. Obviously, once the project is done, the party will dissolve. You can all go back to your annoying right vs left mindsets. Why the actual parties can't/won't propose something like that? Because it is against their nature. LPC and NPD are indefatigably centrists, all the power to Ottawa. The Bloc has no fate in english canada and focus only on Québec. Conservatives never respect its promises. Once they get the power, they like it as is and they abort all their reform projects. If such party would take the power and put that system in place, I predict that Québec and Alberta would be the first ones to become canadian states.

I can understand why some canadian right wingers support Trump. The democrats need to learn a good lesson of this defeat. I also understand them taking the side of Trump for blaming Canada's border policies. I also agree with Trump on that one. It's among the tons of thing we can blame Trudeau for. But this, a threat of 25% tax on canadian imports, that is a total different issue. No, Trump is not attacking Trudeau by doing this, he is giving him an unexpected help. A major one. He is literally saying out loud that Canada is no longer an ally and does not deserve his respect. He is saying that he thinks he can use any means to get what he wants. There is a line he must not cross and he did. Negociation tactics my ***. When you are ready to go so low, it reveals who you really are. This is not an ally. Take a look a what is the import tax rates of countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Israel and many others. How you think he would behave if we would do the same? You think he would gently conclude to a "it's just a negociation tactic"? Or he would just teach us manners of how to behave with an ally? Those still defending him on that one are worst than Trudeau. You have no dignity. Don't ever mention anything about "great again". You do not have neither the balls, nor the shoulders to make it credible in your mouth.

Indeed. I thought every body knew it.