Je suis Omar

There sure are a lot of folks making huge assumptions based on nothing but lies and innuendo. Yeah right! Have you heard the Canadian poodles raise even a whine or a whimper about USA war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, about two centuries of terrorism/war crimes against Cuba? And the list goes on and on. And what's worse, there are an awful lot of silent Canadians, you know, those good, kind Canadian people.

No, yet animals are depicted as savage. Compare wolves, lions, hyenas to the two century long vicious predators that inhabit the USA. Anyone can easily see just who are the real savage beasts.

More apologies for USA war criminals and terrorists. The German people had the good sense to reject and cast out their Nazis while moral, upstanding Americans exalt theirs. "Hooray for our American Nazis!!"

The "trouble" that apologists for war criminals and terrorists fail to realize is the destruction of a sovereign nation that was invaded, illegally, by nothing more than a band of the worst that makes the Nazis look like Boy Scouts. At least most Germans had enough sense to stop expressing support for the Nazis.

The ongoing crimes are fall on the shoulders of the originators of this massive series of war crimes. The liars of the USA, UK and their coalition band of war criminals.

He looks as normal as George Will or Charles Krauthammer.

What rights might those be? To be free from a century plus of USA terrorism?

Why? And why, Kimmy?

It's time for you to produce something that you don't know exists, Shady. That would be a source (look it up in a dictionary) to back up your ludicrous notion.

I'm puzzled why thinking folk would continue to raise this. Everyone knows that confessions obtained thru torture are not admissible. And what is this about "juries"? In a US military kangaroo court?! The same war criminals who illegally invaded Afghanistan?!! In an American established gulag, that sits on land that these same aforementioned war criminals and terrorists stole from Cuba??!!? This is more Kafkaesque than what Franz Kafka wrote himself.

Omar: Yes, I stated that myself, that it did not include NIST's contention on the issue of organics mixed in. I said, "Here's a replication of that same experiment, without the organics portion". How did you miss that? The post was a relatively short one. What "obvious misdirection" are you referring to? Yours? In the AE911 page I posted quite some time ago, which you apparently haven't read, there was scientific experimentation done which showed that organics will not mix in with molten aluminum. Even in this last experiment that I have referred you to, there was a description of how even the aluminium oxides, which were produced by heating the aluminum, would not mix in with the molten aluminum. How did you miss that? It was a very short two page PDF. I watched another video which was done, also at BYU, where repeated attempts were made to mix in organics by stirring them in with a screwdriver - no mixing, Michael. Omar: Would you like me to go back and bring forward your rant about the "AE911Truth" website being "propaganda"? You just wrote, "What happened to talking about the science". You railed against blogs - Do you remember that god awful blog YOU brought in much earlier in this thread, the one wherein I had to show you just how unscientific it was. The one, that I must remind you, was your find, the one that I must again remind you, specifically refuted a contention of yours, that was current in time to that same discussion, that you had been raising about your hobby horse "that's not science" meme. It seems that you don't even read your own sources, ones which you bring here, ones which are few and far between. Ones from BLOGS! You've hardly been the ideal picture of consistency on this issue, Michael. You seem to raise it and then harp on it when you start to feel the heat. RE: "lies, why not errors?", I'll deal with in a separate post. Omar: No, I can't see your point at all. What has you being patient got to do with anything, most of all what has it got to do with science. You complained that you had spent a whole hour on this. You can't possibly be so naive as to think, to believe that this, SCIENCE, could be solved by Michael Hardner spending an hour on it?! Especially when you have refused to seriously look at the website that dealt directly with the issue at hand, NIST's contention that the molten metal from WTC 2 was aluminum. And you have the gall to write, "It's probably because the whole thing was about starting with the idea of a conspiracy then finding facts to back that up. And it has nothing to do with science." I never raised anything about "the idea of a conspiracy". I didn't even say/write the word "conspiracy", ???, or at least I don't think I did. I think this goes some distance towards illustrating why many are and would be afraid to discuss this issue. Folks like you just keep throwing up the conspiracy meme. You accuse me ( and, by implication, others who might be interested in discussing this) of all manner of dishonesty when a, not even pointed close review of the posts, would show the lengths you, BlackDog and OGFT have gone to to stifle the discussion. Why have you never addressed OGFT's (and others) pointed refusal to actually discuss the science issues?

And you studiously ignored how AE911 explained, with scientific experimentation illustrating, again, that NIST lied, again.Here's a replication of that same experiment, without the organics portion. Notice just what a simple experiment it is, Michael. And NIST couldn't mount the effort necessary to do a simple lab experiment to prove such a crucial point. We both know why.

Reagan admitted, in fact, he positively glowed in the fact that the Contras, the equivalent of the Founding Fathers, Reagan often said, were his creation. Have you ever heard of Hitler exalting in the fact that he was murdering innocents? That's what Reagan was doing, and of course he wasn't the only one - Bush senior was and is every bit as deeply evil as Reagan. Hitler and the Nazis have largely been established as the gold standard of evil by the USA. It's all been propaganda to hide the fact that the USA is, at the least, their equal. It's the height of hypocrisy for the USA to be trying anyone for anything of this nature. Measure the slaughter of innocents from just one USA event compared to this, by contrast, relatively insignificant event and the hypocrisy is glaring.

Yes, I have noticed that you tend to relish in your ignorance, (non pejorative sense, of course).

On the contrary, Shady, USA war crimes and terrorism have been much worse for the simple fact that the USA has hidden behind a two centuries long lying facade that it is a force for good, the saviour of the oppressed. Not the slightest bit of truth in that.

Of course there is. Over two centuries the USA has stolen massive amounts of the riches of other nations, mostly the poorest ones.It also steals the best and the brightest from other nations.

A shining example, the USA, would have made your words more abundantly clear.

Hear hear!

Some of them were spot on, AW. Especially the forcing other nations part. The USA forces other nations to bend to USA will. That means death, torture, murder, rape, and having your wealth stolen, plus some other unmentionables. It can also mean that vast numbers of your children get murdered, poisoned, napalmed, carpet bombed, machine gunned, raped, ... .

In your honor, Shady, coming soon to a new thread, "The USA war crimes of Southeast Asia. Exploding the myths."

And what's even worse, jbg, even though the USA was convicted of being the only nation designated as terrorist, see below and at link for further details, there were people who tried to protect that arch war criminal/terrorist, Ronald Reagan, by suggesting he didn't know what was going on. Though he was as dumb as a sack of hoe handles, he knew full well that his Contras, "the equivalent of the Founding Fathers" (Reagan was right there) were cutting off women's breasts, torturing and killing peasant families, in short, doing everything that the CIA was training them to do. 17. Nicaragua Mining: Self-defense or Terrorism?;Recovery: Is It Reagan's?;Ancestors -- Fifty-Three Fossils Transcript #2229". The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour. April 12, 1984. Senator Barry Goldwater said he was told in a letter from CIA Director William Casey that President Reagan himself had approved the mining in writing. This was confirmed by Secretary Dam on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour: "Well, let me put it this way. All covert action programs are approved by the President or they don't go forward." (Footnote 17 from same link as below)

It is, isn't it, jbg! How can the USA get away with murdering millions, terrorizing hundreds of millions and have so many people think it is a kind, benevolent nation, a force for good. Especially when the historical record is so clear. Of the 200 plus armed incursions/wars since WWII, the USA has done 80%!

Do you mean like this, Smallc?

Michael, you lack clarity. Is this innocent or on purpose? Your pronouns have no referents.

I wish I could say the same for you but talking to a post isn't all that fun. What thread are you off to now, BD, to weave your fanciful tales?