drummindiver

Irritation at the tone of many posters as well. So, you don't know what you mean when you say it? Like you don't know what being a conservative means when you vote liberal?

I never said he was heavy handed. His moderation is. And I can supply examples. And Charles has admitted on this very site to being leftist, so not sure what you are talking about.

The point of this thread is that there is a fear the heavy handed leftist moderation will turn this into an echo chamber.

No sense being courteous.

Again, Bill-51 is run by federal agents to put terrorists in jail. If you are not a terrorist, chill and netflix. LFC can, if not filled out, put otherwise law abiding citizens in jail. The fact that any Canadian is ok with this astounds me. You can spin it any way you want, but you are defending the rights of terrorists while saying it's ok for the government to jail citizens due to not filling out paperwork. Incredible.

Geez, statisticians saying their job is useful.

Do you have any citation for this absolute rubbish? Reinstating the LFC is not meaningful, nor is pulling us from helping our allies as they attempt to defeat ISIL.

lol How many times do you want to tax my money before you are happy? I get taxed when I make it, when I spend it, and when I die.

I personally don't care about the information being gathered. That is not the point. If, as a citizen of this country, I am busy and don't have time to fill out the LFC, I can be jailed. You are ok with this. Yet you are not ok with a federal agency being able to protect you and your family because you think they might read something you posted on Mapleleafweb and swoop in to arrest you? And you find that sensible?

I find it ironic you think Harper so evil when you (falsely) claim this. Truduea was doing this exact thing before becoming PM. We can only guess at how he will be now. I am glad that Trudeau is keeping his promises. I just don't agree with his policies.

lol Please show me where I stated ppl have gone to jail. You can't, because I didn't. You certainly can go to jail for not filling out your LFC. You can go to jail for being a terrorist, but only after the fact if you had your way of rescinding C51 Again and still, you are more concerned about the rights of criminals than for citizens.

What are you asking me here? To combat criminals you have no problem with. To combat citizens you are confused? Are you Poeing me now?

Dude(?) Please show me where I've said anybody has gone to jail. Again, one is used to to throw citizens in jail who don't comply. Is that better? And anyone gone to jail wrongly for Bill C51? No? That's because it's alarmist rhetoric.

You use partisan rhetoric and alarmist hyperbole.. Show where C51 has been improperly used. One is used to combat criminals and send them to jail. One is used to combat citizens not bending to the will of the government. We know which you prefer.

According to some on here, jails have been built to hold convicts of crimes such as this. You look at it in a very Liberal fashion. I see Bill C51 as a means of keeping us safe and terrorists in jail, LFC as an intrusion into our lives. You see LFC as necessary and citizens should go to jail if they don't comply. But lets not infringe upon the rights of terrorists. I'd rather we concentrated on jailing terrorists than citizens who didn't fill out paper work.

Their rhetoric doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Thank you.

We are not the states. Our penal system is not a paid per prisoner . Your statement is pure rhetoric. So, I read all the time that people are being given soft sentences in Canada. While that may be true, it is not the norm. "Faint hope was introduced after Canada abolished the death penalty in 1976, providing those sentenced to 15 years or more to apply for early parole. McKnight shows that despite the existence of this clause, those convicted of murder in Canada spend an average of 28.4 years in prison before receiving parole, more than any other industrialized nation, including Australia, Scotland, and even the United States (18.5 years)." Another lesson learned due to MLW. Thanks

Huh? Are you really stating being a terrorist, with all it implies like murder, mutilation, and mayhem is acceptable, Canadian for life. But if you LIED, hell, you're out of here? edit Sorry, my bad. It clearly stated that in the rule book, doesn't it? That certainly needs to be changed.

...of the Liberal making. Conservatives want criminals to be punished. Liberals want to love and give them a teat to suckle.

People get differing penalties for every crime on the books. There is a min and max. Same for terrorists. If an immigrant serves in the military, hopefully they aren't planning on using their training to kill Canadians If they do, clearly they are traitors, and thus should be deported.

Ever hear of Omar Khadr? We let them leave, they kill ppl, then we are on the hook.

I agree. I also agree that Bill C51 was reasonable. To have trained federal agents doing their job to keep citizens safe does not seem much of an infringement IMO.

You certainly don't need the LFC for any of these points.