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That''s correct... "in and of themselves" being the operative part of the sentence... Correct, kinda... That's why vocabulary, punctuation, sentence structure, etc. are equally as important as the words themselves in conveying a coherant message... "in and of themselves" being the operative part of the sentence... so --- How would you know that if you hadn't read or heard it and applied that meaning to them? Didn't understand a word you wrote... Pick ONE and tell me what it meant... Not at all... Words, like beauty, is all in the eye of the beholder... Impossible since you have no means to verbally communicate with me not knowing who I am... OR did you mean you are the "talk" of this forum and I will read about you which is possible?

Federally speaking they will do NOTHING of what they say, so they can say anything, as they always have and always will simply because they will never hold power...

I think you may have missed this, or I missed your reply... http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17889&view=findpost&p=621891

Whatever... Timelines don't match... You could be right... It's irrelevant... This is what I was referring to... Tribes Invade Europe To the north of the Roman Empire there were people who spoke a language that is like today's German. They were called the Germanic tribes. In the 5th century these Germanic tribes overran the Roman Empire. The Eastern Goths came from Russia and the Ukraine. They conquered most of Italy, Greece and the western Balkans. The Franks took over today's France and the Saxons conquered the southern parts of England. The Huns originally came from Central Asia. They overran the Chinese Empire at about 200 B.C. and the Chinese emperor had to build a great wall to keep them out. At about 400 A.D. Attila became the leader of the Huns. They came to Europe and forced other tribes to move westward. The Huns destroyed everything that was in their way. They had no interest in the land they conquered - they only plundered and set fire to villages. When Attila died, the Huns didn't have a strong leader. In the following years, the Goths and other Germanic tribes defeated them. --- Over the hundreds of years "Hun" span we could both be right... http://asianhistory.about.com/od/timelinesattilathehun/a/AttilaOnePage.htm Now back to the thread topic...

Remember that well known SOCIALIST Abraham Lincoln? "that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth" IS socialism in it's purest form, it's never been better described, before or since... "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." - A. Lincoln "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - A. Lincoln Hmmm, come to think about it, I guess so were the founding fathers, now where did I put that copy of the United States Constitution I had?

Where do I mention the writer not having an INTENT in what he writes? Where do I say there is no meaning to words? You yourself said that if I couldn't read Italian, words in Italian would have no meaning to me, but they certainly would to an Italian reader who can interprete them, no? Why do we need translators? The speaker is ALWAYS speaking words, or not? Think about it... It ain't that complicated, and the long argument you're making simply confirms my point... - so - Get my meaning? If not, look it up in that dictionary...

MANY theories on that subject... Attila and the Khans are often confused http://www.boglewood.com/timeline/attila.html Have a look at the pic on that link, Asian or Germanic? Btw, the Franks were just ONE of the Germanic Tribes, one of the most southern, they covered a vast territory...

Ummm, remember that "1000 Prisoners Escaped" news item that was a minor news item on day 3 (I think), about the same time as the police retreated and security forces went "absent" in all this? I wondered about that at the time, now I can stop wondering... This is starting to look like a rerun of an early '30s Newsreal... Appointing his "Spy Guy" as vice-president, nice touch, wasn't it? Mubarak's 82, wonder where he got those ideas... Some things leave lasting impressions on the young... One more thing, the composition and actions so far, of the Egyptian military, is what gives me the most hope for a relatively good outcome of this event, after 30 years, its very hard to fire on sons and daughters and parents... They also are unlikely to become, or support, too religious, or extreme, a regime... UNLESS, they aren't kept fat and happy, catch my drift? THAT was the biggest mistake of the whole Iraq war, dispanding the Iraqi Military, if the U.S. hadn't done that -?!?!- well, I guess we'll never know...

When you go that route of "what started it" why not go all the way back to the Germanic tribes, the Huns, eh...

As usual, we do the heavy lifting, you do the clean up and take all the credit...

Again, quite accurate... I'm not so sure though if the protection of Isreal is the prime motivator... Profitability and greed, in my view, are much more important factors... In other words "it's complicated"... Watch the stock markets (US and Canada) they'll tell you the real story of whether something is "favourable or unfavourable" to corpotations... According to THAT measure what's happening in Egypt is very GOOD FOR BUSINESS... I notice that on day 9 of the uprising the "brown shirts" have come out, soon to be joined I'm sure by strangely absent "security forces and police" of Mubarak...

<bold by me> Well done Jack, very pleased to meet you... You seem to have a good handle on the truth, at least historically speaking... Very accurate description of the time...

I'm 100% on your side on this... BUT, I'm thinking it may be TOO LATE... The "debate" may soon be over... The earth has had enough and is now fighting back to get rid of the parasite it has siting on it... Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Flooding, Hurricanes, etc., etc., etc., are some pretty potent weapons, eh... Started shovelling yet? Car start today at -40? Slip off the road or have an accident from the ice storms? Have a GREAT DAY...

Absolutely correct, and absolutely stupid, and even worse, dangerous... Just have a look at what's happening to the stock markets (U.S. AND Canada) and price of oil... UP, UP, UP, do you know WHY? Because BAE Systems, General Dynamics, General Electric, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and hundreds of others of that "dynamic" BENEFIT by even the hint of Mid East turmoil... WAR, or even the potential for instability in the MIDDLE EAST, is GOOD FOR BUSINESS... That what you want? Another Mideast WAR? If it is, just cut off the wests money and let them get it from someone else a little less "friendly" to the west... I've never met a dictator or other authoritarian regime that couldn't find a way to get all the money they need for themselves and the populous be damned... Funding the military is all they need to do...

Wow my friend, amazing, that's absolutely SENSIBLE... Here, allow me to answer... Politically the RIGHT wins this one hands down Radio - about 10 to 1 ratio of (mostly extreme to get the ratings) RIGHT WING rhetoric TV - obvious, FOXNEWS aka faux news is the ratings and viewing winner CNN #2 = Conservative News Network, although they try to hide it Online - drudge report, as ONE example of hundreds of RIGHT WING sites is a shill for RIGHT WING extreme view propaganda In this race the left's horse has pulled up lame

Quite the change for you admitting that Canada matters... Your TV broken? Why buy when you can get it free? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here's the point you missed - Option, yes... One the people are willing to suffer or die for, in Egypt, highly unlikely... Like most places, IF, post "revolution", regardless of who ultimately forms power, the U.S. continues it's "support", which in turn keeps Egypt's military well fed and happy, everything should turn out alright... If not, then, THAT could be a whole different story... Gotta love the military... God Bless America and their (Chinese) money...

That's exactly what I've been saying and why I posted the links to, in my view, http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17363&view=findpost&p=621061 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17363&view=findpost&p=621074 better, cheaper, more practical, available, alternatives, both for NOW, and into the future...

Bottom line: Fees and levys = taxes = increased costs to me and you in favour of Corps making mega millions...

Where you been... It's the Cons that are behind this whole thing, they want to TAX in the way of a FEE on the service providers and "open up" Canada to U.S. providers... Problem is they've tried it before, (remember?) and the U.S. telecom providers didn't "buy in" and said NO THANKS... Bottom line: A hidden tax proposal by the CONSERVATIVES... That would hit you and me folks...

Said it before and I'll say it again... Like most places, IF, post "revolution", regardless of who ultimately forms power, the U.S. continues it's "support", which in turn keeps Egypt's military well fed and happy, everything should turn out alright... If not, then, THAT could be a whole different story... God Bless America and their (Chinese) money...

1. (you missed one all or nothing you know)... SEE, I did notice...

Bottom line though being they BOTH still need to be replaced at some point, considering the age, better sooner than later...

Wrong... I, for one, am all about GOVERNMENTS SPENDING WISELY not my taxes... I raised two kids without "child care" working 8-12 hour days, while my wife at the time, an RN, worked 8-12 hr nights... We did it, why can't you? We have ONE east-west highway across Canada and if you drive it through Northwestern Ontario or through the Rockies in the winter (and sometimes summer too) you're risking your life... It's the east-west - west-east road route "life blood" of trade and commerce in our country, and my question is why is that? In the 1800's we built a railroad across our country and in the 22nd century we can't twin a road? My "taxes" are fine, just spend the damn money where it benefits the most Canadians the MOST and not to buy votes in the next election... So how would your party be different, eh... That's right, it wouldn't be...

Thatcherism Already got an attempt at that going on with Harper in Canada and the "Tea Party" in the States... No Thanks, you lost me...

YOU said it doesn't matter what Canada does/thinks/feels... Changed your mind? It is true... The US has said it's maintaining it's neutrality on the situation and has NOT asked Mubarak to "step down" NOW or even to turn Egyp's "life support", water, electricity, internet, etc, back on NOW... The TANKS we see in the streets are American not anyone elses... Take responsibility... Option, yes... One the people are willing to suffer or die for, in Egypt, highly unlikely... Like most places, IF, post "revolution", regardless of who ultimately forms power. the U.S. continues it's "support", which in turn keeps Egypt's military well fed and happy, everything should turn out alright... If not, then, THAT could be a whole different story... God Bless America and their (Chinese) money...