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January 13, 2011 Nice try, in fact I think people should go read the article on the link you posted... - Critics said the government’s plan was a mere ploy because the Tories, thanks to their strong fundraising system, are less reliant on the public subsidies. They said the Conservatives knew that, if the subsidies were ended, rivals such as the Liberals could be left bankrupt. The Tories shelved their idea to avoid being toppled. Harper told Postmedia News he thinks there is a clear role for some public finance (for instance, people get tax receipts to encourage them to contribute to parties). “But it has got to be tied to a party’s own efforts, or to the willingness of voters to actually contribute this money,” said Harper. “And that’s not the case here, so it remains our position that that particular subsidy should be repealed.” But Ignatieff said the Liberals support the subsidies as a strong way to sustain democracy. "We’ve got a political system that is by international standards cheap, democratic and open,” he said. He said that if public subsidies are banned, “then little by little the big money comes back into politics.” “Jean Chretien started to walk the big money out of politics. You cut public subsidy, you walk the big money back in. We think it’s the wrong way to go and if you want to know why it’s the wrong way to go, look south of the border." - http://www.canada.com/news/Opposition+lashes+Harper+party+funding/4105447/story.html Thanks for the link, some good stuff there...

You are wrong... In fact probably the opposite is true (in Recent History), at least for the most part... Look for yourself... Nasser - Sadat - Mubarak

You'll get no arguement from me... Well said...

Yup, but I'm sure somewhere down the road someone will tell us a "downside" to LEDs too... For some there will ALWAYS be a "downside" to just about anything... I'm quite happy to have totally converted my house to CFLs, and YES I can see a difference in my Hydro Bills... - see my post - http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17916&view=findpost&p=623348

I heartily agree... However the "murcury in landfills" issue has little to do with the "murcury in fish" issue (in Canada)... Seperate issues...

You can look that up too... I'll help... LightEmittingDiodes; currently very expensive, lower "lumens"=less efficient, not readily available for home lighting applications... Having said that I would change to LEDs if the cost to benefit ratio were comparable to CFLs... I've already changed my flashlights to them...

Red sky in the morning sailor take warning... OR, "dig yourself out of a hole", which I believe as a far more common expression...

That why you do that?

Ahhh yes, the BENEVOLENT Dictator, I totally agree, it's easily the BEST form of Government, except for this one FLAW... In HUMANS; POWER corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely... That's the simple fact that has been the "Big Problem" throughout human history... The more one has, power and money and in most cases money is power, the more one wants... Those few in History that didn't "fit" this mold were quickly eliminated by those that did... SIMPLE HUMAN GREED is what it's all about, period... Well THAT, and of course HUMANITY'S main trait - "Man's inhumanity (a misnomer if there was one) to (their fellow) man... Sure glad I'm not human...

Look it up... Try Google.. Then come back and tell the rest of us... My friend, if you're worried about your "personal" environment and the "chemical hazards" that surround you daily you wouldn't ever get out of bed...

I guess it's you that hasn't been paying attention and is ignoring details... Why not take the time to read through this thread and see them? Have a look: NOW - http://www.mapleleaf...ndpost&p=621061 FUTURE - http://www.mapleleaf...ndpost&p=621074

You actually believe that? UNfrigginbelievable! Oh, and btw, Moroney gave Canada the Free Trade agreement, not NAFTA, that was Chretien, and his hands were pretty much tied in trying to make pro-Canada changes (from the 95% pro USA Free Trade Agreement) because it would have meant putting the Canada-U.S. Auto Pact on the block... Brian Moroney, the BEST Prime Minister the United States ever had... I guess that's why he lives in his mansion in Palm Beach Florida now... :angry:

More bull crap... Better not go to work or school then because the odds are pretty high that you're working or studying under flourescent (FL, the C stands for compact) lighting... Are you getting your "hazard pay"?

Last time I checked it was the Cons in power so why hasn't it already been done? AND If there was any opposition by the other parties the Cons would have a FANTASTIC issue to take to the public... So tell us again why it's all still in place? Could it be that it's the CONS that like spewing their attack ad drival at Canadians expense?

Bull crap...

Pulleeeze, anyone that watches TV knows what a load of manure that is... You got it exactly backwards... All the Conservative attack ads you're see are being paid for by Canadian tax dollars PLUS all the Government "feel good ads" on top of that... Bad, bad, bad, and I really, really hope it bites the Cons in the ass next election...

Nope, Manitoba does not [b]import[/b] ANY Electricity... No need to... Manitoba currently generates approx. 10x the electricity Manitoba needs... It's 100% renewable Hydro Electric, for Canada and the U.S. midwest To increase it's capacity 2 New Hydro Dams are being built (primarily for U.S. consumption needs), currently underway and the subject of much dispute in Manitoba as to the transmission route... To match the U.S. Midwest's future needs the choice is buying clean Hydro from Manitoba or building more Nuclear or coal fired plants in places like North Dakota... Your choice... http://www.hydro.mb.ca/corporate/electricity_exports.shtml?WT.mc_id=2105 - Even when market prices are low, we may pursue opportunity sales because of high water conditions and our low costs associated with generating that additional electricity. The alternative would be to spill the water at our generating stations and forego making any revenue at all. Wholesale vs. Retail Electricity Pricing We export electricity into a wholesale market, where customers are largely other utilities. The electricity is delivered at a very high voltage and the utility is responsible for any additional costs associated with supplying that energy to their own retail customers. A comparison can be made with rates paid by large industrial customers here in Manitoba who, like our export customers, take delivery of electricity at a high voltage and then are responsible for any internal distribution costs. Wholesale electricity sold to U.S. customers at fixed rates is currently priced 50 per cent higher than what large industrial customers in Manitoba pay. For more information on our long relationship in electricity trading with U.S. markets, view the Manitoba Water Power website (open new window). - http://www.manitobawaterpower.com/future_developments/opportunities.html

What makes you thing so? Why did Canada not "order" the C (Navy) varient (shorter take offs and landings plus longer range)? Are we going to also have to buy the planes to refuel them because the ones we have now can't? Is there a GOOD reason you'ed prefer the F-35 over other, far cheaper options more suited to Canada's needs? What is the PRIME roll of the fighter planes Canada needs, foreign wars/involvement, or domestic security? Why was the public not given a say in this $21 Billion dollar and rising decision? I will anxiously await you answers to these questions...

Nope, wasn't wrong, you were, not sending you electricity is hardly buying electricity now is it?

I link to Manitoba Hydro (the source) and you link to Wikipedia? Grid yes, but it's a one way flow, SOUTH... If under certain extreme conditions or event Manitoba is unable to supply the contracted amount of electricity to the states Manitoba "Buys Back" that shortfall in supply to the U.S.... Of course, being part of a "grid" means that if a part of that "grid" shuts down the electricity flow COULD be reversed to facilitate the functionality of the "grid" itself...

Be patient, I'm sure the honest and OPEN "Conservatives" on here will be more than happy to answer ALL your questions about the how and why of such a LARGE, record breaking, deficit...

You know my friend, I hate it when I have to AGREE with you... Stop that!

Well, I too like Sci-Fi, but even in the realm of reality, while "going anywhere" (without some significant "outside" influence) may be true, I'm not so sure about the "no one coming to us"... For reasons of my own I'm inclined to say "they" have already come...

Ahhh finally some rationallity returns to this thread... <by edit> I think you're wrong about the acceleration and decelleration in space though... Without G & C to influence the motion you are essentially a part of the craft you are in... ie - Space Shuttles & other capsules in space now where you feel no "forces" while in space...