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As I believe I mentioned in the other thread: The CBC gave Butts the heads up to start covering the lies about two weeks before any story was printed - that was not long after they received a big whack of cash meant to preserve the "independant media". I imagine they would have paid back their bonus by helping to line up the op eds. Not sure if she will be able to remain a Liberal, but to clean up at least one tiny part of that rat's nest of corruption and croneyism she certainly deserves to become leader.

And, those opportunities for Canadians have changed how?????? ANY other company that is NOT breaking CRIMINAL laws do NOT have such an opportunity because the LPC and PMO and CPC have interfered to try to give a criminal organization the very special privilege of continuing to buy business from their faudulent acts and bribery of public officials and politicians. The PM, the AG and every other elected official are directly responsible to the people of this country to uphold the law, not guarantee privilege to criminals to continue their illegal ways. As far as the jobs go, once again, I and many others here will continue to remind you that the same work will get done when the tender is called, regardelss of who wins, and they will have to employ the same number of people to do that work - and many/most of them will probably be former SNC employees.

Sorry, Bud. When you swim in a giant pool of shit, you will come out smelling once in a while. Just don't swallow.

I would not bet against you.

I have been waiting for a while to see if anyone here knows or even suspected WHY the Clerk of the Privy Council would so far overstep the bounds and dignity of his office to spue that line of partisan rhetoric. You will notice that the CBC, CTV, Global, and I suspect all of the print media anxious to get THEIR handout from Butts/Morneau of the $600,000,000.00 "independent" media slush fund won't scratch the surface or sniff around to find out where that awful smell is coming from. Remember the name of the criminal organization that is trying to buy their way from being convicted of their crimes or simply paying a fine? Anyone care to recall WHO is the Chairman of the Board? Ever heard of Kevin G. Lynch, PC, OC???? You may remember his a bit better if I remind you that he was....wait for it...previously the Clerk of the Privy Council. What REALLY pisses me off is that nobody in the CPC has bothered to inform Scheer of that. Still don't think that the knee pads and lipstick in the PMO is reserved for entertaining SNC???

Trans Mountain is a mini-pipeline, but it DOES go to tidewater so will probably concentrate on shipping dilbit to export markets of Asia. Vancouver is not a very welcoming place for petroleum exports, though, so it would never by my first choice (Prince Rupert would). We need Trump to deliver on the gap in TCPL's Keystone XL since the continental market is far more critical to Athabasca production. Of course, I will always squawk for no dilbit, and upgrade to ship syncrude. But, you are right. It is a start.

If we just stop pissing business off instead of cowtowing to banksters (the kickbacks must be better on Bay Street) they will come. Boasting how you are going to tax them to death to pay for more "refugee" terrorists to immigrate and sponge off of their taxes is hardly the kind of plan that makes businesses feel welcome. Also, it is the swing from center-sometimes-a-bit right to holy-shit-Che Guavara-must-have-moved-here is hardly the kind of stability that any investment is looking for.

True for fuel. But for Athabasca crude, we should REQUIRE that it be upgraded - adds some value here, creates some jobs and makes it a LOT safer to transport. It is the non-fuel uses we need to move further down the value added chain or right to the end before we export

She is both a Liberal and a lawyer, so her ethics, her loyalty, her whatever is for sale. Ever notice how closesly lawyers look to prostitutes? The fix will include some down-the-road a bit promise for her.

The solution is actually fairly simple: tax the shit out of speculative gain. Do that, and housing prices drop and never go up appreciably, so one person can once more afford to raise a family, instead of needing 2 full time incomes to pay for "location, location".

I was pleasantly surprised at how well he handled himself. May be some hope yet.

You are right, but at this point in time, we sell a bit of crude oil to feed the infrastructure that is there. What we do NOT do is add any value - that's where the big numbers in jobs and wealth creation hide. What you do have to keep in mind, though: depending on whose numbers and how you interpret, the Athabasca Oil Sands is either a larger produceable reserve than the Persian Gulf or a larger reservoir than all of the rest of the world...combined. We WILL run out of "cheap oil", but the heavy (and expensive to produce - i.e. LOTS more jobs in the production side) will last longer than anyone else. And, you are correct to point out that it is used for a LOT of other things, but as I said, we need to add a lot more value before we export what we produce. Right now, we built a huge energy industry, then just dropped it flat on its face without doing anything to either a) taper it off, or far better b) shift the work to adding value.

Yeah, but we can have Sunny Ways, more immigrants to support, terrorists to reward, keep criminal companies and the LPC backroom boys wallowing in billions of overcharge for federal projects, millionaire chiefs with casinos but no water and housing on reserves and all of the marijuana you want to smoke or swallow. Yep, I can see what PET was saying: when he is done with Canada, there will be nothing, "just society" left.

And you think he has credibility why? Ah...because he is supporting your criminal employer.

As one expects from the Liberals: the wagons have been circled and the orders to whitewash have been given. When the Clerk of the Privy Council starts complaining about Canadian media (!!!!!!) and the Justice Minister shows his face on every available media outlet to slay JWR in defense of Sunny Ways, you know the fix is in. There was never any question about SNC's criminal guilt, only if the penalty was going to be a slap on the wrist or a kiss on their ass. In other news: kneepads and baby wipes are being distributed widely throughout the Cabinet, LPC and the bureaucracy. I think I will call Hatch today and suggest they file a complaint with the Competitions Bureau that their competitive position has been compromised by allowing an unqualified (due to criminal activity) company to bid on federal contracts.

Canadian companies are free to work in ANY country, but they simply have to do it under the restrictions of Canadian law. BTW: it you think American companies are given some break in this matter, you have no idea what AML, anti-terrorist funding, conflict of interest, sanctions, and anti-corruption law applies to all US companies working anywhere in the world. Far, far more restrictive than Canadian law. As it is, we have moved a bit more in harmony with US law (since we share an economy with them). Some years ago, it was fine for Canadian business to "bestow benefits" upon those in foreign companies and governments (i.e. bribes) as long as the deal was not negotiated on or paid from Canadian soil. Again, in your constant appologies for and defense of one of the largest organized crime businesses outside of the drug trade on the planet, you conveniently ignore the fact that they have been sanctioned by the World Bank for their criminal behaviour in a wide number of countries. They are in trouble here because they have broken Canadian law, not in a misdemeanor sense, but criminally.

Criminal = criminal. I suppose you work for SNC or the LPC, so YOUR vesion of criminal, as I predicted, is good crime. They are extorting, bribing, paying kickbacks - crime is crime, which is why their business practices come under the criminal code of Canada, not merely civil litigation. BTW: their support of the Ghadafi regime and family was instrumental in financing a regime the DID indeed commit a fair number of murders. Why do you think the World Bank kicked their sorry ass to the curb??? It seems that one or two major parties ARE a fair bit more ethical than the LPC - as history and current events continue to demonstrate.

Had an interesting talk with some of my friends in the East today. Remember the $600,000,000.00 the Libs were going to pay out to the embattled "independent" media? Seems that plays into some of the goings on with the SNC affair. Cabinet it seems (Morneau in particular) decides who gets what from the trough. Seems the CBC started to get wind of the SNC stuff in very early stages, and gave a heads up to Butts - right after getting a rather large slice of the pork barrel pie. So, while the CBC is trying to look like a reporting agency, they have been in this shit up to their eyeballs working with the PMO to minimize the damage. THIS is the quality of people we have elected to run our country. I guess we really do get the government we deserve.

First of all, your accusation that "most businesses" in Canada are acting in criminal manner is not only pure BS, but insulting to the people who put their money and time on the line to create the jobs that feed those who actually create wealth. Yes, the list of those close to the backrooms of the LPC I do not include in that statement, but the vast majority of businesses in this country are not organized crime - and do not have the LPC or any other political party in their back pocket. The ten year ban is federal law/regulation. When ANY company makes a living bidding federal work, they know fully well the penalty for being convicted of ANY criminal activity is a ten year ban. SNC knows that, their legal department knows that, the PMO knows that and the PM and his best bud Butts know that. To use YOUR line of reasoning: the mafia, Hell's Angels and a few other organizations probably employ almost as many Canadians as does SNC. Just like SNC, they are a criminal organization (many even based in Quebec), so by your standards, they deserve a slap on the wrist so they can continue employing people in a business that depends upon criminal activity to survive. And don't try to feed me some bullshit that dealing drugs is bad crime but bribing and kickbacks to obtain hundreds of BILLIONS of taxpayer's dollars is just fine, because its a good crime. Yes, you are correct, 10 years may well be a death sentence to a crimnal organization, but as everyone else had explained to you, the work is still going to be done, it will be done by the same workers, they will just work for an honest employer who successfully bids to do so.

The criminals destroyed the company. It is not "driving until you have an accident", it is a matter of choosing to operate with criminal intent. You are mimmicking the truly disastrous "too big to fail" attitude that has subjugated the entire US (and world) economy to financial interests. When you screw up in business, you fail. THAT is how those who do not screw up get their chance to fix the problems. Rewarding a business for treachery is an extremely flawed (and in this case extremely illegal) thing to do.

No need to do any anti-trust nonsense, just prosecute them for the crimes they have committed.

Every jobsite that SNC has been kicked off of has had someone come in and replace them with barely a hicough. Tell me which job they have now that is so big that Hatch, Golder or Stantec could not do? I should point out as well that many times when SNC picks up a job, they hire foreign engineers to fill the positions - thus why their level of incompetence and ultimately getting thrown off of jobs.

The lives will be destroyed because Trudeau and SNC chose to do business in Canada illegally. Reality is, as has been mentioned, the same jobs will get done by the same people, just with different employers. There is no shortage of legitimate engineering companies in Canada who are quite willing and able to pick up the slack. If you and the rest of the LPC had any shred of ethics at all, you would realize that by letting SNC get away with bribery and kickbacks up the ying yang, they/you are denying jobs and profits to companies who choose to do business legally.

This will be the genuinely interesting part of what unfolds. The CBC will pretend to be journalists for a while, but will soon fall back on being the political activists that is their true purpose in life. Also please not the choices you named are simply two sides of the same coin. I would so much rather see someone choosing between truth and lies. Wish Al Jazeera was featuring this story. Wish we had some semblance of rule-of-law in Canada.