Hal 9000

How much do you think daycare costs?

Now who's trying to be Ms. Funny!

Do they pay more taxes than what we'd pay out to care for their kids? If someone has 2 kids, we'd pay out more to a daycare then they'd make - let alone taxes they'd pay. That might even be true for just one child depending on the parents job. And...that's only assuming that this person actually gets a job. Fact is; financially, the taxpayers would be better off just paying welfare moms 3 or 4 hundred bucks per month more and saying, just stay home.

Look, if you want the middle class to pay for the lower class...fair enough, don't try and sell it as a money maker or break even deal.

So, we pay what 50$ per child so their parents can go to a minimum wage job and pay 20% income tax on 80-100$. No, it's unsustainable and ripe with abuse. We'd be better off just raising the minimum wage

How much taxes do we put out and how much do we get back? I can't see any way that it is sustainable without the middle class lowering down to the lower class. The only thing I can see happening is the abuse of another social program.

How?

That's a pretty good read, I don't have time to read it in it's entirety - but I will.

I do "get it", I know it's a hard thing to do, but the alternatives are worse. Even if a victim can't get a conviction, they can still out a person and perhaps prevent more abuse. The system isn't stacked against the victim, it's set to provide the theory of "innocent until proven guilty", but that doesn't mean victims can't or shouldn't come forward. BTW - people get robbed and guys get beat up every day and have the same burden of proof - that never works in their favour either. Go to a bar in any city in Canada on a weekend and you can witness guys getting shitkicked without any police or charges ever being laid.

It's not ridiculous! You're being too hard on yourself. You deserve to be forgiven.

Yes, it's a good thing.....WE AGREE! BTW, I do forgive you for your outburst last night.

I had a superior go to my house (with my roommates) once, my girlfriend was there and he hit on her quite strongly. When she told me about it, I immediately confronted him the next day at work. He fessed up (in private), and had me fired! Sure, it sucked getting fired, but everybody including his wife and co-workers knows he's a scumbag now.

Then don't blame Hal, don't blame society, don't blame Harper and don't blame the police. Staying silent is equal to refusing help...and refusing to help.

Subconsiously...Yes! Why did the trailer park woman take 10 years to tell her story? She waited until Ghpmeshi posted his Facebook plea...Why? How many women were slapped around by Ghomeshi over that 10 years? She was a celebrity, she could've crushed his career 10 years ago...10 years! I know you'll want to protect her, but her actions...or lack there of, enabled him to get away with his shit for 10 years.

Here you go again! I'm not denigrating anything. Come forward...ask for help...report the violation...put the abuser in jail or out of a job....and help prevent the next harassment or assault. Pay it forward - as you liberals like to say! Personally, If I got assaulted and found out that everybody knew the person was an abuser, i'd be just as angry at them as i would the abuser. If you're a victim and you stay silent, you're not doing your fellow women any favours.

If somebody refuses to come forward, then there's really nothing that can be done for them...is there. As far as the Ghomeshi case goes, if someone had come out 2,3 or 5 years ago, maybe there wouldn't be other victims. Saying "I'll sit and wait for other victims" is not an appropriate way to address the issue. I'm sure that Ghomeshi's recent victims are thrilled that so many knew about him and chose to stay silent for so long. (sarcasm)

Then address them! Don't blame men and an unjust society for victims keeping silent. If a victim thinks they've been wronged bad enough to cause them real distress, come forward and point out the accused. Don't wait 5...10 years, don't make thinly veiled hints, don't ask for anonymity, stand up and say something - it's quite simple...and, it's a victims right!

So, you completly missed his point?

You don't actually have to dig them up, you just need their ID...y'know, like Obama supporters did.

I doubt it. If voting age was 16, teachers would be shutting down schools and driving KIDS to the polling stations themselves.

Sort of... but conservatives want wiser voters, while liberals want less informed voters.

16 YO's don't know shit! The left always want the younger voters, because younger votes are always left wing.

Anyway, to get back on track; Of course there are sexual harassment issues, and NO, they are not acceptable. That's not the issue that I'm arguing, what I am arguing is that if a woman (or man) really feels as if it's serious enough, they have a responsibility to report it - no matter how tough or embarrassing it might be. I know why women don't report it, we're told why every time we see an article on the news or internet, but if its not reported, what can we do. I also think that as posters here, we really should differentiate between what might be a minor harassment issue and what could be a very serious case of assault. If we can't do that, then we really can't have any sort of meaningful discussion. I manage a crew of people and sometimes we are overnight. I make every effort to ensure that the women get every bit of privacy they could want. That includes change rooms and their own hotel room - sometimes the men are 3 or 4 to a room, while the woman gets her own room. P.S - Sometimes WCR, Jacee, OGfT and cybercoma overreact, but they are friends and I really don't want to see them get in any trouble. I should accept some accountability too - sorry Charles.

WoW! You guys are intense!

C'mon, the joke was just hanging there, I had to say something...relax.