Hal 9000

Removing life support is way different than assisted suicide and light years away from assisted suicide for depression.

My issue was with Eyeball suggesting that disapproval of the gay lifestyle (and it is a lifestyle) is an illness. I disapprove of the junkie lifestyle, I disapprove or monster trucks and I disapprove of slutty behaviour too. You might disapprove of clubbing seals or bikers (whatever), It doesn't make any of us ill.

But that is the slippery slope that has happened in nearly every country that has legalized it. What makes you think it won't happen here?

Sure, so is religion, and many people here don't agree or support that lifestyle either.

It's both.

If a person is mentally ill, diminished or irrational (as others have said), are they really capable of making that decision? And if not, should the person who has power of attorney or their guardian be able to make that decision? For example, if in my opinion (or the opinion of a professional) my wife or parent is "diminished", can I make the decision to give them assisted suicide?

Disapproval of a lifestyle is not an illness, if it was, wouldn't most of us including you need therapy.

Do you mean for everybody?

None of this is even news anyway. This is simply the G&M pointing out another "homophobic" christian.

From the article - "Doug Morgan, director of Calgary Transit, says drivers can only refuse to work based on safety issues. “What we would do is open a dialogue with them and chat with them and ask them about their issues and making sure we’re being sensitive to their beliefs, but overall the service has to go out and we would ask them to drive the bus,” Morgan said." It sounds like this guy will just do the easy thing and the right thing a just find people who don't mind driving it. If he assigns somebody who has clearly stated he would prefer to not drive it, then he's really just seeking out problems. I think the GandM is just looking for somebody to hate on.

Says enough is enough and....? What?

I always like your view points Kimmy...and I wish it were true, but families never recover from a suicide.

I agree completely.

They clearly are. They are clearly not thinking how their actions will affect the people around them. Even WCR agrees on that.

Every country that has assisted suicide has started with the Sue Rodiguez types of illness, that has slipped to old age people, depressed people and disabled babies...so on and so on. In many cases, it's not even a doctor making the call, it's nurses and family. Mom has dementia, time to go!

Nobody said these people didn't have a diminished mental state, and I agreed that they are thinking irrationally when they do it. But, rational/irrational and diminished are adjectives just like selfish. Just because they are acting irrational, does not mean they are not acting selfish. P.S - Why does she get away with calling them irrational, you get away with calling them diminished mentally and yet i get beaten up for using selfish?

Well, if we let Sue Rodriguez die on her own terms - and we all know her circumstances, then sure enough people will be asking for assisted suicide because of depression. I for one don't want to see that - and that's an opinion. With that said, i don't want to force people to do anything, I'd rather they didn't but people will do what they do. Just look how far assisted suicide has gone in places that do allow it, it's a slippery slope. Why is nobody on your case for saying suicide prevention is selfish?

Ahhh, but WCR and many others don't see them as different, they want to harass me for categorizing instead of seeing the obvious differences of when and why people take their own lives.

Now, whats obvious here is this; the reason we don't currently allow doctor assisted suicide, is because people like...well, all of you won't draw a line. As long as you preach that the Sue Rodriguez situation is the same as the Robin Williams situation, we will have a problem with doctor assisted suicide. Personally, I have been at the very forefront of assisted suicde and do believe in it, but what will undoubtedly happen is that people who are depressed (and people like you) will try to equalize things out and allow the depressed person to end it all using the old "by that logic" routine.

WCR says they're the same, I don't. The categories are not my making, they're obvious!

OK, I'll go over it a fifth time for the not too bright. You're in a burning building and you choose to jump to your death You dive in front of train to save a baby knowing you won't survive A grenade falls into your tank and you fall on it You jump in a like to save your kid but you can't swim too well and drown You have a degenerative disease and you want to choose your time * These are not the same as; Life sucks, I'm a failure, nobody likes me, it's too hard to go on.

You can admit that those scenarios are different - it's OK.

Is that even close to what I said...or even suggested? WoW, get your head in game or leave. Don't just drive by with stupid comments.

Predictable because it's obvious!

Really! One person gets up kisses his kids goodbye and 2 hours later he is forced to jump out a window or burn alive. One knows that she will soon be a complete vegetable, not got better and doesn't want her family going through that and the last one is feeling depressed - things aren't going his way right now. You really find these thing the same? WoW!