Derek 2.0

Isn't that what I said? Now take your Typhoon or Flanker designed in the late 70s and early 80s and let's also expand on several decades of know-how and apply it to the F-35......... To paraphrase one of LockMart’s test pilots: Do you really think the people that designed the F-22 in the late 80s, couldn’t expand on their knowledge with the F-35?

Oh a fair bit......enough to have made a comfortable living off it since the early 80s...try me..........Now I appreciate your attempt, but let’s go back to what you find at fault with the F-35’s aerodynamics, in particular the wing shape, when contrasted with another modern fighter, say for the sake of argument, the Super Hornet.

By all means, expand on the F-35's wing thickness/camber when contrasted with your favored Super Hornet......I'm all ears.

Real simple question.......what afraid to answer it? The Super Hornet that you love so much was grounded twice due to engine issues, but is now fine, but the same metric can't be applied to the F-35 family? Are you on the payroll of Boeing and General Electric? What's your stake?

But since I’ve got both the resident Super Hornet champions here, based on the precedent of the Super Hornets two incidents that led to fleet wide groundings prior to being fully operational, could it be surmised that maybe, just maybe any issues with other aircraft undergoing development could also be resolved?

No it was not......the fire occurred in a F-35A owned by the USAF, not the F-35B owned by the British.

I’m not……their earlier version named the cause in detail……only problem, it was from the engine issue last December. And no, I'm not saying the DoD release is wrong.

Ahh the good old CBC.......I see the story has been "updated", sans their prior determination of cause

What guess? Three F-35B's from Yuma flew to Patuxent River last Friday.......The delay of their flight across the pond is due to the delay incurred by the sole British B having yet to leave Florida.

The several posted by OGFT dated several hours ago.......chicken and the egg

Hey you came back!! Yeah, the release that all media reports stem from.........As I said, the F-35B resumed flights last Friday.

No, that's a guess based on media reports.......but let's assume you're correct, what are the differences between the F-35B`s engine and that of the A and C (besides being marinised)?

You're suggesting you know the cause of the recent failure? You better get on the horn to LockMart!!!!

Same engine? You understand the whole lift-fan concept right?

I rephrase: Look at the wing loading of the F-4 and F-16.……..Do you think the F-4 would fly circles around the F-16? Exactly.......Like I was saying, there are a myriad of factors to consider, drag, lift coefficient, thrust to weight, thrust to drag and as I said L/D…….not to mention modern flight controls and the aerodynamics of the of the airframe of a given type, which on aircraft like say the F-35 or F-22 (unlike legacy aircraft) are also designed to be conductive of Lift…..a factor that wouldn`t show up in wing loading. That and a whole host of other factors. I am an engineer, and basic aerodynamics have been thrown on their ear since the advent of fly-by-wire technology........... The Starfighter's airframe was conductive of drag........The F-22 and F-35 airframes are not...Incidentally said airframes and flight control systems of both aircraft were designed and improved upon by the same people. I know what it is.......but as outlined: This aircraft: could not out perform this aircraft:

Read your link: The "B" uses a different engine.

Get a better source......the Marines and British resumed flights last Friday.

The F-35B isn't grounded (nor the Navy's F-35C).......they have already given up their Hornets and started conversion training and will be fully activated next year, late fall/early winter.

The F-35B enters service next year with the Marines.

Using your “gold standard” of first flight to entering service, the development stream of the F/A-18, F-16 and the Harrier were a cumulative total of 15 years………the X-35 and F-35, next year once it enters service with the Marines, will be 15 years……Now of course, the USAF will a year later and the Navy several after that……..I suppose if we stay comparing apples to apples, we could also add the F-117 to the three legacy aircraft bringing that total up inline with the F-35C…..but I digress. Or why not just use this:

What’s the cumulative time of first flight to service time (your measure) of the F-16, F/A-18 and Harrier?

Of this: 1974.........

I sure do, as I realize the issues I mentioned (several fleet groundings) took place during the development process........I assume you would agree right?

1974-1983=? But what of the Hornet prior to it entering service? I doubt it had much a service record no?

Nearly a decade, but if you want to compare apples to apples, also add the cumulative time of the F-16 and Harrier development........ So you're saying the Super Hornet is now sorted?