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Who cares. This is not about what they think. It's about what we can support with reason, or prove.

Or just their own interpretation of "what's right" without any consideration of the intent of the law.

The courts often disagree with me. The courts are often wrong.

That's my take on it, Turkey is nothing more than a land strategic point. The resources are south all over the Middle East. NATO ect, Look at Turkey like Russia looks at Ukraine, pipelines to Europe. That means money. Since the Russians are not wanting to play the Petrodollar game anymore, they'd rather call their own shots and trade in whatever currency they like. Nations like Afganistan, Turkey and I guess Ukraine are more looked at as 'transfer nations' , meaning the resources flow through them since they are not resource rich. Controlling where the flow is, is almost as good as owning the resources. The goal is some more destabilization which requires military might to protect the resources and the pipelines through the 'transfer nations'. Overall working great for NATO as it puts itself closer and closer to Russia's borders.

Then you haven't really been paying attention to Argus, DoP, Hal9000 along with a couple of others, although you certainly haven't hesitated to agree with them. Rue, Bonam, Boges, BCSapper - a few of the ones who disagree with much of what I say but do not regularly denigrate all Muslims using the worst possible terms, nor have they called me a liar or stupid, told me what I believe, accused me (or all Liberals) of working to destroy Canada because we fail to hate Islam or Muslims. Every time someone on here calls Muslims dirty, ignorant, backward, violent, unable to change they are talking about my sister and my brother-in-law, who are none of those things. And, despite having grown up Muslim in a 'backward' country, has somehow managed to obtain a doctorate in one field and a masters in another, who has published in his field, has worked throughout the world, and is well-respected by those who know him. Just like millions of other Muslims which Islamophobes pretend don't exist, or claim don't matter because 'there aren't enough of them'. As if they'd know.

When someone cannot talk about anything except the way in which Muslims or Islam is evil, immoral, violent, ignorant, uncivilized, that is Islamophobia. When the simple fact FGM is practiced by people other than Muslims is mentioned, someone is inspired to find an article disputing it, that's Islamaphobia. When every single thing anyone posts on here says anything positive about Muslisms or Islam is shouted down as being apologist, refusing to face reality, part of "liberal" insanity and the ruining of Canada, that's Islamophobia. When efforts to discuss or address the issue of *extremism* or partriarchal attitudes and attendant abuses how it can be identified, addressed or mitigated ignored in preference to claims that Muslims are too ignorant and backward to learn or change, that's Islamaphobia. I've tried multiple times to actually address the issues that the anti-Islam group here claims they are so concerned about - violent extremism, patriarchal attitudes, Sharia law - but instead of discussion I get abuse heaped on me for not subscribing to the view that all Muslims are ignorant, backward, violent extremists. I'm called a liar and my patriotism to Canada is called into question. And yet if the word "Islamaphobia" is mentioned, people cry about how unfair it is, like a bunch of pathetic snowflakes. So yeah, that's the label you get because you've earned it.

Not really, Goddess. Why bother? You, Argus, DoP and a few others are absolutely determined to lay every single nasty thing you can come up with at Islam's feet and by extension make guilty every Muslim in the world. You guys are no better than Hot Enough who blames the US for absolutely everything he possibly can, regardless of the facts. I'm tired of it, I'm tired of the willfull ignorance, the hateful comments on this board. I can find way better and honest discussion about the ways in which Islam needs to change it's outdated moral code, and address the actions of extremists who use Islam as a cover - with both Muslims and non-Muslims in other venues. I can also find information on people who are doing those positive things, instead of constantly having to address the same stupid Islamophobic crap here.

I'm not interested in the timeline given from the old testament. A book made up of fantasies and half-truths The Canaanites were in the land well before and for a longer period than the Israelites. Since the Greeks are the descendants of Canaanites, do you propose that the Greeks should come into the land and kick out the Jews and Muslims and take over their homes?

Seriously? There are still people who go for that argument? The overall Jewish actual inhabitance in Palestine throughout history, amounting to 200 to 260 years, is much less than the Arabs’ amounting to about 1192 years. Suddenly these people need to GTFO because thousands of years ago, Jews lived there and so these European Jews (who actually have less lineage to the original inhabitance than the Arabs) can take their homes? Think about this argument for a bit.

No. You look after Israel's interests. Whether you like it or not. I think you do, but many wouldn't I'm sure, if they knew.

You're not the only one in this discussion. A number of people around here act as if Palestinians were some sort of alien modern-day creation of Anti-Semites. If only it were that simple. Much of the information used and abused in this issue depends on your politics in the here and now and where real history is transformed into psychobabble that's indistinguishable from biblical history.

Not exactly, and in fact Palestinians are just as Semitic as many of the Jewish peoples who also live/lived throughout the various countries in the region. In fact these are closer to each other genetically than they are to anyone else.