Hollywood muscles Canada

[rks]

Sounds like you guys are being taken by Hollywood, hire some competant staff to search people and no taping will happen.

Ok, next we will set up metal detectors too..

I'm in the ag industry, i do not need a lecture on being ripped off and hours worked. I play by free market rules, so should the film industry

I am not lecturing anyone, I am mearly stating the facts. How would you feel if someone came by and was ripping off your profits somehow? This is a bigger issue then trying to cheat hollywood, it is cheating the industry in Canada more importantly. This does not only affect movie theaters but DVD rental stores as well. As I stated earlier the profits from the Canadian industry is just a drop in the bucket to Hollywood, but to the Canadian industry it is much more.

[blueblood]

Go ahead and try, that would make as much sense as trying to steal ALL the gold from fort knox and getting away with it.

It is my belief that artist sells I.P. to record company for distribution, "timmy" buys product from record company and redistributes it himself. As far as I'm concerned timmy paid the sale price and can do what he wants. The law and I don't agree on this one.

Given that some farmers have said there is an increase of theft of livestock and most if not all the thieves have gotten away with it, I'd say a farm isn't much like Fort Knox.

We haven't seen theft of grains but if the price goes up, why not? If people can steal copper from hydro lines and church roofs, why not from farmer fields?

Copyright may have been abused by the huge extensions it has gotten in the U.S. and Canada but is fundamental to the creation of new and original products.

It takes about 20 hrs. for a Class V combine to put down 160 acres with 2 3 tons supporting it. That's where the comparison to fort knox comes in, there's just too much to steal it all. A 3 ton truckload is what maybe a grand tops. It would be complete fallacy to attempt to steal grain straight off the field. Even stealing it out of the bin would be ridiculous, the amount of noise involved to steal it in the night would wake me up for sure and would involve me making a citizen's arrest.

Copyright is an excuse for people to make money out of thin air. Monsanto does this and gouges us for it, it's garbage. Things have been invented and created before copyright, ever hear of Beethoven and the wheel to name some.

[blueblood]

Sounds like you guys are being taken by Hollywood, hire some competant staff to search people and no taping will happen.

Ok, next we will set up metal detectors too..

I'm in the ag industry, i do not need a lecture on being ripped off and hours worked. I play by free market rules, so should the film industry

I am not lecturing anyone, I am mearly stating the facts. How would you feel if someone came by and was ripping off your profits somehow? This is a bigger issue then trying to cheat hollywood, it is cheating the industry in Canada more importantly. This does not only affect movie theaters but DVD rental stores as well. As I stated earlier the profits from the Canadian industry is just a drop in the bucket to Hollywood, but to the Canadian industry it is much more.

you probably should set up metal detectors and frisk people, they all should. That's a double standard you complain about being ripped off and won't take the measures to protect yourself.

nfu

read away, this is how we get ripped off.

[jdobbin]

It takes about 20 hrs. for a Class V combine to put down 160 acres with 2 3 tons supporting it. That's where the comparison to fort knox comes in, there's just too much to steal it all. A 3 ton truckload is what maybe a grand tops. It would be complete fallacy to attempt to steal grain straight off the field. Even stealing it out of the bin would be ridiculous, the amount of noise involved to steal it in the night would wake me up for sure and would involve me making a citizen's arrest.

Copyright is an excuse for people to make money out of thin air. Monsanto does this and gouges us for it, it's garbage. Things have been invented and created before copyright, ever hear of Beethoven and the wheel to name some.

How exactly is it out of thin air? I full expect if you invested something, you wouldn't want every copycat doing the same thing. Why create something otherwise?

And while stealing your grain may be hard, stealing your seed might be less difficult and if you created a new strain of grain that was revolutionary, you'd want to have some sort of royalty on it.

[blueblood]

It takes about 20 hrs. for a Class V combine to put down 160 acres with 2 3 tons supporting it. That's where the comparison to fort knox comes in, there's just too much to steal it all. A 3 ton truckload is what maybe a grand tops. It would be complete fallacy to attempt to steal grain straight off the field. Even stealing it out of the bin would be ridiculous, the amount of noise involved to steal it in the night would wake me up for sure and would involve me making a citizen's arrest.

Copyright is an excuse for people to make money out of thin air. Monsanto does this and gouges us for it, it's garbage. Things have been invented and created before copyright, ever hear of Beethoven and the wheel to name some.

How exactly is it out of thin air? I full expect if you invested something, you wouldn't want every copycat doing the same thing. Why create something otherwise?

And while stealing your grain may be hard, stealing your seed might be less difficult and if you created a new strain of grain that was revolutionary, you'd want to have some sort of royalty on it.

Well I don't know, hiding behind some law called the plant breeders act. I bought that seed fair and square it's mine, I should be able to do what I want with it, no I have to buy it year after year costing me 50 large every year when I could have bought it once and saved me a lot of money. If they come out with a better variety I'll buy it, but making me pay every year is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay for their defficiency in marketing a product. Yah they're making money out of thin air. Oh and 25% of that 50 large goes to paying for "liscensing" WTF????

Why was the wheel made? Were we cavemen before copyright came along? We create things to make our lives easier, no copyright needed.

I'd like royalties on the grain I sell, but that's not going to happen. If you create a new strain of seed, I'll buy it and you'll make some money at it, but asking for royalties is proposterous and flat out greedy, nobody has the right to gouge people like that.

[jdobbin]

I'd like royalties on the grain I sell, but that's not going to happen. If you create a new strain of seed, I'll buy it and you'll make some money at it, but asking for royalties is proposterous and flat out greedy, nobody has the right to gouge people like that.

It's not.

Copyright protects creators of original material.

I compare you to a retailer. Hollywood provides you with a DVD, you sell it. You don't get the royalties, you get a commission. The royalties go to Hollywood and thereafter are subdivided to the artists and other creative people behind the film.

If you derive seed yourself from grain that is unique to you, you are a creator. Your grain seed should have a royalty if you sell your seed to others. If you sell the grain, you are wearing a different hat. That of retailer.

If you buy seed from someone else and it is a unique product, you can't sell the seed resulting from that crop to someone else or use it yourself the next year because the creation doesn't belong to you.

To avoid all this, just make your own seed. Stop buying from others. Isn't that what farmer used to do?

[blueblood]

I'd like royalties on the grain I sell, but that's not going to happen. If you create a new strain of seed, I'll buy it and you'll make some money at it, but asking for royalties is proposterous and flat out greedy, nobody has the right to gouge people like that.

It's not.

Copyright protects creators of original material.

I compare you to a retailer. Hollywood provides you with a DVD, you sell it. You don't get the royalties, you get a commission. The royalties go to Hollywood and thereafter are subdivided to the artists and other creative people behind the film.

If you derive seed yourself from grain that is unique to you, you are a creator. Your grain seed should have a royalty if you sell your seed to others. If you sell the grain, you are wearing a different hat. That of retailer.

If you buy seed from someone else and it is a unique product, you can't sell the seed resulting from that crop to someone else or use it yourself the next year because the creation doesn't belong to you.

To avoid all this, just make your own seed. Stop buying from others. Isn't that what farmer used to do?

That's bullsh*t and you know it. In my view when I grow the plant I MADE the seed, the seed sold to me from Monsanto that I bought can sit in the bag and do nothing as well. By me planting it I MADE the new seeds. The Plant Breeders Act DOES NOT recognize this. The plant breeders act is corporate welfare, and the party that repeals this debacle of a piece of legislation will get my vote. 50 dollars an acre is complete garbage.

Copyrights is nothing but market distortion, all industries should get them or none of them. Copyrights hurt the consumer and bring on inflation. The gov't should kill this dodo. China does and look at their economic growth. Consumers should not have to pay because a company knows that if it's product is subject to the free market the company might not get the price it wants. I've been told by various people that if the gov't supports industries so they won't go under, they shouldn't be in business; Hollywood and other copyrighters should take this advice.

[jdobbin]

That's bullsh*t and you know it. In my view when I grow the plant I MADE the seed, the seed sold to me from Monsanto that I bought can sit in the bag and do nothing as well. By me planting it I MADE the new seeds. The Plant Breeders Act DOES NOT recognize this. The plant breeders act is corporate welfare, and the party that repeals this debacle of a piece of legislation will get my vote. 50 dollars an acre is complete garbage.

Copyrights is nothing but market distortion, all industries should get them or none of them. Copyrights hurt the consumer and bring on inflation. The gov't should kill this dodo. China does and look at their economic growth. Consumers should not have to pay because a company knows that if it's product is subject to the free market the company might not get the price it wants. I've been told by various people that if the gov't supports industries so they won't go under, they shouldn't be in business; Hollywood and other copyrighters should take this advice.

Why do you continue to buy Monsanto grain? Are there no grains in the public domain that you can grow and do cross breeding with?

I'm sorry, I still think this argument sounds like the guy who copies a DVD and says I MADE the movie. They didn't. They copied the movie and tried to make money off someone else's work.

At some point, everything falls in the public domain. So to will Monsanto grain.

Hollywood is only one large industry in copyright. You might be angry with them but copyright also protects the small town writer of mysteries in Steinbach, Manitoba and the small town singer/songwriter in Austin, Manitoba. They certainly aren't corporate types.

[blueblood]

That's bullsh*t and you know it. In my view when I grow the plant I MADE the seed, the seed sold to me from Monsanto that I bought can sit in the bag and do nothing as well. By me planting it I MADE the new seeds. The Plant Breeders Act DOES NOT recognize this. The plant breeders act is corporate welfare, and the party that repeals this debacle of a piece of legislation will get my vote. 50 dollars an acre is complete garbage.

Copyrights is nothing but market distortion, all industries should get them or none of them. Copyrights hurt the consumer and bring on inflation. The gov't should kill this dodo. China does and look at their economic growth. Consumers should not have to pay because a company knows that if it's product is subject to the free market the company might not get the price it wants. I've been told by various people that if the gov't supports industries so they won't go under, they shouldn't be in business; Hollywood and other copyrighters should take this advice.

Why do you continue to buy Monsanto grain? Are there no grains in the public domain that you can grow and do cross breeding with?

I'm sorry, I still think this argument sounds like the guy who copies a DVD and says I MADE the movie. They didn't. They copied the movie and tried to make money off someone else's work.

At some point, everything falls in the public domain. So to will Monsanto grain.

Hollywood is only one large industry in copyright. You might be angry with them but copyright also protects the small town writer of mysteries in Steinbach, Manitoba and the small town singer/songwriter in Austin, Manitoba. They certainly aren't corporate types.

I have to buy it because I have no choice. I buy Liberty Link now, at least they don't have that ridiculous "liscencing fee" of 20 bucks an acre, but I pay more for spray.

The guy who copied the movie did work as well, shouldn't he get paid for his work? Monsanto seed logically falls into the public domain when I buy the seed. They get paid their one time end of story.

Copyright only protects them if they publish their works from the big boys, if some guy rips them off beforehand they are SOL. THat's why i'm not in the entertainment industry. Those guys from small towns like you are mentioning are true artists and are doing it for reason other than money, and I'm sure they don't care if they make money off of it. Beethoven didn't make his music to make a buck. A person should entertain for the sake of entertaining, not to make a buck.

As far as I'm concerned the gov't stuck it's nose into the free market by introducing it's plant breeders act to ensure corporate welfare, they can also stick their nose in on the farmer's side ensuring that we don't get gouged by them. I think a nice CAP on how much Monsanto can make out of thin air is in order. 5$ an acre for royalties is MORE than fair if I can keep my seed and not have to pay 50$ an acre EVERY YEAR. IMO that 5 bucks an acre is too much but it's a compromise. Implementing this measure is worth more than any farmer handout the gov't could ever dream of and costs the tax payers NOTHING!!!

[jdobbin]

I have to buy it because I have no choice. I buy Liberty Link now, at least they don't have that ridiculous "liscencing fee" of 20 bucks an acre, but I pay more for spray.

The guy who copied the movie did work as well, shouldn't he get paid for his work? Monsanto seed logically falls into the public domain when I buy the seed. They get paid their one time end of story.

Copyright only protects them if they publish their works from the big boys, if some guy rips them off beforehand they are SOL. THat's why i'm not in the entertainment industry. Those guys from small towns like you are mentioning are true artists and are doing it for reason other than money, and I'm sure they don't care if they make money off of it. Beethoven didn't make his music to make a buck. A person should entertain for the sake of entertaining, not to make a buck.

As far as I'm concerned the gov't stuck it's nose into the free market by introducing it's plant breeders act to ensure corporate welfare, they can also stick their nose in on the farmer's side ensuring that we don't get gouged by them. I think a nice CAP on how much Monsanto can make out of thin air is in order. 5$ an acre for royalties is MORE than fair if I can keep my seed and not have to pay 50$ an acre EVERY YEAR. IMO that 5 bucks an acre is too much but it's a compromise. Implementing this measure is worth more than any farmer handout the gov't could ever dream of and costs the tax payers NOTHING!!!

You think small town writers and artists do it for nothing? They do it in the hope of royalties providing for them and their families.

Copyright is free enterprise as far as I'm concerned. I think it becomes corporate welfare when it is extended beyond any reasonable lifespan of the creator and his family.

Thankfully, not even the Conservatives believe in removing copyright.

[blueblood]

Copyright is the most blatant form of a slap in the face of the true free market system. Let's see how far Hollywood would go if it didn't have copyright protection, the industry would be much more efficient and those artists might have to work a little harder to make it. People would be richer as we wouldn't be gouged for having to pay through the nose so somebody can make money out of thin air.

Hiding behind gov't legislation in order to soak consumers is flat out robbery.

[jdobbin]

Copyright is the most blatant form of a slap in the face of the true free market system. Let's see how far Hollywood would go if it didn't have copyright protection, the industry would be much more efficient and those artists might have to work a little harder to make it. People would be richer as we wouldn't be gouged for having to pay through the nose so somebody can make money out of thin air.

Hiding behind gov't legislation in order to soak consumers is flat out robbery.

If you think so strongly, take it up with the Tories who are considering extending it. If they do, what reason do you have to vote for them?

[blueblood]

Copyright is the most blatant form of a slap in the face of the true free market system. Let's see how far Hollywood would go if it didn't have copyright protection, the industry would be much more efficient and those artists might have to work a little harder to make it. People would be richer as we wouldn't be gouged for having to pay through the nose so somebody can make money out of thin air.

Hiding behind gov't legislation in order to soak consumers is flat out robbery.

If you think so strongly, take it up with the Tories who are considering extending it. If they do, what reason do you have to vote for them?

I am 1 person, what possible difference can I make???

1) I agree with the idea of fiscal conservatism, the tories are closest to rep. that

2) I have a personal hatred of the Liberal Party

3) Decentralized gov't vs. Trudeauesque centralized gov't

[Charles Anthony]

moved

[jdobbin]

I am 1 person, what possible difference can I make???

1) I agree with the idea of fiscal conservatism, the tories are closest to rep. that

2) I have a personal hatred of the Liberal Party

3) Decentralized gov't vs. Trudeauesque centralized gov't

The Tories are looking to extend copyright. Accept that you have added to your own costs by supporting them.

[GostHacked]

Blueblood.

Well I don't know, hiding behind some law called the plant breeders act. I bought that seed fair and square it's mine, I should be able to do what I want with it, no I have to buy it year after year costing me 50 large every year when I could have bought it once and saved me a lot of money. If they come out with a better variety I'll buy it, but making me pay every year is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay for their defficiency in marketing a product. Yah they're making money out of thin air. Oh and 25% of that 50 large goes to paying for "liscensing" WTF????

Is that the only seed that is available for you to buy? Do you not have other choices? Are you contributing to your own problem by continuing to use Monstanos grain if there are other options to look at? If you want to make a difference and send a message, don't buy the product. I don't know much about the grain industry, so can you shed some light on that for me?

[blueblood]

Blueblood.

Well I don't know, hiding behind some law called the plant breeders act. I bought that seed fair and square it's mine, I should be able to do what I want with it, no I have to buy it year after year costing me 50 large every year when I could have bought it once and saved me a lot of money. If they come out with a better variety I'll buy it, but making me pay every year is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay for their defficiency in marketing a product. Yah they're making money out of thin air. Oh and 25% of that 50 large goes to paying for "liscensing" WTF????

Is that the only seed that is available for you to buy? Do you not have other choices? Are you contributing to your own problem by continuing to use Monstanos grain if there are other options to look at? If you want to make a difference and send a message, don't buy the product. I don't know much about the grain industry, so can you shed some light on that for me?

I now get Liberty Link from a competitor, I'd rather pay more for spray than dumb liscencing fees. But I get nailed with the breeders act anyway by not being able to store the seed. If I want to have clean fields for when I want to put wheat in, I have to go with GM canola no ifs ands or buts. It's an unjustifiable and unnecessary expense and is borderline robbery. If some other company would come along and sell it for cheaper and not enforce the plant breeders act then I'd go with them.

[GostHacked]

It's also illegal to steal rental cars even though you "pay" for them.

It's hard to make a copy of a car on your own though.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's hard to make a copy of a car on your own though.

It's easy...we call them "replicas" or "replicars". Make mine a Shelby Cobra please.

[GostHacked]

It's easy...we call them "replicas" or "replicars". Make mine a Shelby Cobra please.

So what has that got to do with piracy?

[bush_cheney2004]

So what has that got to do with piracy?

Somebody said it was difficult to copy a car....it's not.

[Oleg Bach]

Remebering the days when I worked on over 200 American feature films that were done in Canada - billions of dollars being spent in Canada...then that idiot _Shella Copps decided to MUSCLE the AMERICANS for more money..Shella pissed the producers off so much that they pulled up and left..taking the money with them - we are not very smart when it comes to pleasing AMERICA or HOLLYWOOD.

[GostHacked]

Somebody said it was difficult to copy a car....it's not.

And what has that got to do with piracy? The comparison is laughable at best.

[bush_cheney2004]

And what has that got to do with piracy? The comparison is laughable at best.

To you I'm sure, but the issue of licensed manufacture of "copies" is real. Intellectual property rights matter....except for those who don't want to pay.

A good example would be the Volkwagen Beetle (Type I), which was produced under license in many countries.

Edited May 14, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

To you I'm sure, but the issue of licensed manufacture of "copies" is real. Intellectual property rights matter....except for those who don't want to pay.

A good example would be the Volkwagen Beetle (Type I), which was produced under license in many countries.

The comparison is still laughable.