Calling Some One a Racist or Bigot

[ScottSA]

Exactly, and based on your logic its perfectly reasonable to dislike all Scotsman due to the actions of the few. However you're making assumptions of the entire group by painting them all with the same brush.

You've obviously missed every nuance both Argus and I put forth. Next?

[Guest coot]

Nuance? That's almost as ironic as Argus pompously calling jazzer stupid for not knowing how dictionary definitions work, and then demonstrating he himself has absolutely no clue how dictionary definitions work.

[ScottSA]

Nuance? That's almost as ironic as Argus pompously calling jazzer stupid for not knowing how dictionary definitions work, and then demonstrating he himself has absolutely no clue how dictionary definitions work.

...or other name non-specific but very present individuals demonstrating the debating techniques of the left by donning blindfolds, grabbing smurf bats, and setting out to thrash opponents on the right, who happen not to require the same battle gear.

[Guest coot]

What are smurf bats? Sounds like something from a bad LSD trip.

[Moxie]

I have no idea Coot, drugs aren't part of my lifestyle. I do however find your reference to your bad LSD trip rather bigoted towards those of us who do not partake of dope or drugs. See it's easy to find offense when none is meant, but then the pot heads aren't that bright. Their active unfried grey matter is rather limited to their mouth and fingers.

[Guest coot]

See it's easy to find offense when none is meant.

It's even easier when it is meant. But I don't do drugs either. Cheers.

[shavluk]

My cue ???

I do

Maybe that's why I have been maybe smarter than a lot I have just read here.

Only the chief and the medicine man got the drugs on a regular basis , remember.

The wise men.

They don't follow blindly if they all get some.

Anyone a racist has no real self respect.

No self respect is the root of many many problems.

Becoming aware is the first step , among many.

I cant think of anything else to add here because this topic isn't something I will ever have a problem with and never do unless someone is and I tell them.

I get a kick out of those talking about people who use illegal drugs as lesser beings , sub human ,etc ,,,then I think of the doctors we know of that have treated them and their children for years while they themselves have been full blown heroin addicts or barbiturates or pain killer,,House the TV show ,it isn't original ,,and well it sure would be different if he had to buy his drugs off the street , yes ,,these ,, sanctimonious types , as they sit behind their computers looking like a big larva as they continue to suckle and smack loads of sugar ,,the real #1 death drug and point fingers at open minded harmless compassionate enlightened people.

Bizarro world ,,some of you must live in ,,, and wow ,,dangerous I bet , to boot.

You really should get out more so you don't waste all of it.

Toodooloo

[capricorn]

Bizarro world ,,some of you must live in ,,, and wow ,,dangerous I bet , to boot.

Shavluk, I myself have not been out of my house for the last 3 months because I just don't feel safe enough. My son does my grocery shopping. It's dangerous out there.

In my neighbourhood the danger is mugging by individuals who need cash for their next drug fix.

I'd move tp the country but I would miss my family.

[Guest American Woman]

Shavluk, I myself have not been out of my house for the last 3 months because I just don't feel safe enough. My son does my grocery shopping. It's dangerous out there.

In my neighbourhood the danger is mugging by individuals who need cash for their next drug fix.

I'd move tp the country but I would miss my family.

Sounds terrible! I'd ask where you live, but doubt you'd want to give out that information. Still, no matter where it is, surely you wouldn't have to move so far away to be in a safe neighborhood that you wouldn't still be able to see your family?

[shavluk]

Shavluk, I myself have not been out of my house for the last 3 months because I just don't feel safe enough. My son does my grocery shopping. It's dangerous out there.

In my neighbourhood the danger is mugging by individuals who need cash for their next drug fix.

I'd move tp the country but I would miss my family.

If you are capricorn you are rooted at home anyway,,but

I would /could /have explain(ed) how to move the criminals to government jobs and to clinics but that stops all the profit to the real criminals who take all our tax's and keep people like you afraid.

END PROHIBITION !

CALL A CEASE FIRE ON THE DRUG WAR !!

HARPERS PLAN MAKES ALL OF US LESS SAFE !!

VOTE GREEN

[capricorn]

Sounds terrible! I'd ask where you live, but doubt you'd want to give out that information. Still, no matter where it is, surely you wouldn't have to move so far away to be in a safe neighborhood that you wouldn't still be able to see your family?

You know, American Woman, I would bet there are many people, especially older folks, who retreat to their homes through fear. It has been years since I felt safe enough to take a stroll on my city's streets at night. I know, some would call me a woosie but I'm thick skinned.

I live 5 minutes from Parliament Hill in Ottawa, the Nation's Capital. Our per capita murder rate is one of the highest in the country. Not a comforting thought.

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndReg...585104-sun.html

In addition petty crimes are rampant and many are not reported.

Yet, what is one to do? I would like to move, but I figure the risks would probably be the same anywhere else so I will stay where I am. And yes, I want to stay close to my family and my children.

I hope things are good in your own neighbourhood.

[capricorn]

If you are capricorn you are rooted at home anyway

Shavluk, you're right on. Capricorn is a land sign, close to the earth.

[shavluk]

I am earth day ,, april 22

Taurus full of bull hahhaha

Also a 1957 fire rooster

if you know what that means.

I lack tact apparently hahhaha

[Army Guy]

I would /could /have explain(ed) how to move the criminals to government jobs and to clinics but that stops all the profit to the real criminals who take all our tax's and keep people like you afraid.

END PROHIBITION !

CALL A CEASE FIRE ON THE DRUG WAR !!

HARPERS PLAN MAKES ALL OF US LESS SAFE !!

Or maybe the people will start taking the laws into thier own hands, and burning down more drug houses , taking back our streets from these thugs and scumbags.

[guyser]

Or maybe the people will start taking the laws into thier own hands, and burning down more drug houses , taking back our streets from these thugs and scumbags.

And wind up a thug and scumbag and sitting beside the very peoples home you burned down. Brilliant !

Edited October 19, 2007 by guyser

[betsy]

It makes a vast generalization about a wide group of people based on the actions of a few. Can you explain how it is not bigoted? Can you explain the extraordinary revelation I was to find by reading the context of the thread and not just the title?

Which part of the opening post gave a vast generalization? Cite the exact statement that you found racist in that particular post.

[betsy]

This is a complete misrepresentation of reality. We are not in a battle to preserve our society. The only threat to our society is from warmongers and racists who would have us bomb other people for profit.

Yes coot it is the war of a weak man (Bush( controlled by a group of evil men who want the power and control of money. That is the only reason for this war.

However you both want to translate or spin why our men are fighting a war in Afghanistan is your own opinion. HOWEVER, THE FACT REMAINS WE ARE OFFICIALLY AT WAR....and your opinion does not change that fact!

Edited October 20, 2007 by betsy

[betsy]

HARPERS PLAN MAKES ALL OF US LESS SAFE !!

In what way?

[Guest coot]

HOWEVER, THE FACT REMAINS WE ARE OFFICIALLY AT WAR....and your opinion does not change that fact!

But what's your point? It doesn't make much difference to you or me whether we're at war. It's not like we're willing to fight it.

[betsy]

But what's your point?

In that segment, I was discussing with AW the sarcasm in Scott's statement and for whom that sarcasm was clearly intended.

The said statement cited by AW was:

I also call down the double standard of people when they forgive little brown people their idiocy but lambast Christians for their's.

Thus I repeat my response for that:

For those objectively reading that statement, it clearly shows the sarcasm intended towards those who readily practice their double standards!

Considering the heinous plot that was exposed which implies evidence(s) that there are indeed enemies within us, what more enemies that are sitting in government....latching on an emotionally-charged statement, taking it out of context and making such a big deal out of it not only does it render the accusation of racism so misplaced...but also gives one pause to ponder that either the accuser have no understanding of normal human reactions and normal debate procedures in a mature forum....or she/he is a sympathizer. After all, we are at war with terrorism, and we are in a battle to protect and preserve our own society and way of life.

So let's come clean. Whose side are you on?

It doesn't make much difference to you or me whether we're at war. It's not like we're willing to fight it.

Speak for yourself, Coot. It may not make much difference to you whether we're at war...but it does to me.

Our willingness or unwillingness to fight it does not change the fact that OFFICIALLY, WE ARE AT WAR!

There is nothing wrong in voicing the unwillingness to go to war....but there is something questionable when someone consistently sides with the other side....to the point of using cheap tricks to dis-credit...or worse, silence an opposition (in this case, Scott).

Collaborators and enemy sympathizers usually are not willing to fight a war against anyone they see as having technological advantages and those who could win the war....or for other reasons they may have, either personal or political or ideological.

And since we know that our society has enemies from within...I do have the sensible reason to question the motive of those who seem to readily and persistently come to the defense of percieved enemies by deliberately taking discussions out of context. To reason and discuss is one thing....but to take things out of context???

And this comes from seemingly educated individuals whom we know could perfectly understand where Scott was coming from in that particular title.

But anyway, you seemed to have missed my other question to you....so I'll repeat it again:

Which part of Scott's opening statement vastly generalized all Muslims?

[Guest trex]

And since we know that our society has enemies from within...I do have the sensible reason to question the motive of those who seem to readily and persistently come to the defense of percieved enemies by deliberately taking discussions out of context. To reason and discuss is one thing....but to take things out of context???

Wow thats kind of paranoid! Are the anti-war people with the terrorists? They could be against both the pro-war westerners and the pro-war terrorists. Imagine that... it puts a whole new domension to your view of things.

Yeah I read the comment about the little brown men, kinda gross for him to talk about them like that. obviously a racist comment... can we call them niggas around here too?

Edited October 20, 2007 by trex

[Guest American Woman]

You know, American Woman, I would bet there are many people, especially older folks, who retreat to their homes through fear. It has been years since I felt safe enough to take a stroll on my city's streets at night. I know, some would call me a woosie but I'm thick skinned.

I live 5 minutes from Parliament Hill in Ottawa, the Nation's Capital. Our per capita murder rate is one of the highest in the country. Not a comforting thought.

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndReg...585104-sun.html

In addition petty crimes are rampant and many are not reported.

Yet, what is one to do? I would like to move, but I figure the risks would probably be the same anywhere else so I will stay where I am. And yes, I want to stay close to my family and my children.

I hope things are good in your own neighbourhood.

Do you feel safe on your streets during the day? I'm curious because I've been to Ottawa a few times, and found it to be a lovely city. I'm not saying I know the crime stastics, etc., because admittedly I don't but I sure never felt a moments unrest; I felt perfectly safe. Interesting that your nation's capital has one of the highest per capita murder rates in the country though, because so does ours-- at least it did last time I was in D.C.

It's good that you're near your family and children though. That's always nice.

As for me... things are great in my neighborhood. I feel very fortunate to live where I do.

Edited October 20, 2007 by American Woman

[ScottSA]

Wow thats kind of paranoid! Are the anti-war people with the terrorists? They could be against both the pro-war westerners and the pro-war terrorists. Imagine that... it puts a whole new domension to your view of things.

Yeah I read the comment about the little brown men, kinda gross for him to talk about them like that. obviously a racist comment... can we call them niggas around here too?

Kind of exclusionary of you to talk about "them" like that too. Do you feel apart from "them"? Shouldn't you be holding hands with "them" and singing "We are the world?" And why would you feel the need to enquire about the "n" word; the word that no one dare speak its name, unless of course one is a rappa, in which case one's vocabulary is confined to it?

And no, the anti-war people are not "with" the terrorists, but the vast majority (there I go generalizing again on the basis of a mere 75-90%) are useful fools for the true enemy - the "moderate" Muslims like CAIR.

[capricorn]

Do you feel safe on your streets during the day? I'm curious because I've been to Ottawa a few times, and found it to be a lovely city.

Ottawa is one of the most beautiful capitals in the world. Biased? You bet.

I don't feel particularly safe walking in my neighbourhood during daylight hours. Prostitutes and drug addicts are numerous around here and operate 24/7. In large part, I think it has a lot to do with my age. I'm 61 and petite. I feel vulnerable to aggressive panhandling and mugging. I was not so concerned when I was younger. This is probably the case for many older folks in cities.

Good to hear you're in a nice area.

[ScottSA]

Ottawa is one of the most beautiful capitals in the world. Biased? You bet.

I don't feel particularly safe walking in my neighbourhood during daylight hours. Prostitutes and drug addicts are numerous around here and operate 24/7. In large part, I think it has a lot to do with my age. I'm 61 and petite. I feel vulnerable to aggressive panhandling and mugging. I was not so concerned when I was younger. This is probably the case for many older folks in cities.

Good to hear you're in a nice area.

I worked in Center Block in 94. Even then I was astounded at the sheer number of panhandlers when I walked to the Hill every morning. I came there from Winnipeg, and New Delhi before that, and spent a summer in Gastown a ways back, and I've been around the third world a few times, so it's not like panhandlers were unknown to me before that, but I've never seen so many in Canada as I did in Ottawa. I can certainly see how a petite 60ish woman would be scared.