Islam, the sneaky buggers

Argus · October 4, 2007

There's no source for what you have written, first of all. Secondly, people coming from other cultures are going to have some unpalatable ideas about gender, race, what have you.

A source? Do you deny any of it? And there is a difference between unpalatable and disguting. YOu and the other Lefties would be pulling your hair out and screaming in outrage if the opinons expressed by Muslims were held by any White group. But because they're minorities your knee-jerk paternalism forces you to "rush to the rescue" shrieking in self-righteous condemnation that anyone dares to criticize.

Are you saying that should be a basis for keeping people out of Canada ?

ABSOLUTELY.

Do you think Russian men have a progressive view towards women ?

Compared to Muslims? Damned right they do.

Secondly, double our Muslim population every ten years might well be unreasonable. We're absorbing a lot of immigrants now, but I don't know what the numbers are. I would have to see them before commenting on your example.

I have said they are doubling every ten years (actually faster now). I posted the numbers earlier but they are easily available from stats canada.

She hasn't made a logical judgement. From your example, she doesn't "like" the idea... based on who knows what.

Riiiiight. That's like a Jew making a judgement that letting in tens of thousands of Nazis every year is bad and you saying "well, that's not based on any kind of logic, after all..." Who knows WHAT that judgment is based on...

I live in the fastest growing G8 country population-wise, in the city that receives the most immigrants. We can sustain current levels, from what I have experienced.

And why should we? Aside from your desperate need to demonstrate how liberal and unbigoted you are, why on Earth should be be bringing in hundreds of thousands of people who despise our culture and want only to change it to the one which existed in their home country?

My experience tells me that most people who are anti-immigration have developed their stance out of fear, and don't actually live in areas where there is a lot of immigration.

Bull. I lived for ten years in the riding which had the highest percentage of Muslims in Ontario - which means Canada. I believe Mikedavid has often spoken about his many expreiences with Sikhs. Neither of us has come to love those we lived amongst because WE LIVED AMONGST THEM. You're an ideological zealot with a closed mind so you can't see or hear anything which conflicts with your close minded views.

jennie · October 4, 2007

A source? Do you deny any of it? And there is a difference between unpalatable and disguting. YOu and the other Lefties would be pulling your hair out and screaming in outrage if the opinons expressed by Muslims were held by any White group. But because they're minorities your knee-jerk paternalism forces you to "rush to the rescue" shrieking in self-righteous condemnation that anyone dares to criticize.
ABSOLUTELY.

Compared to Muslims? Damned right they do.

I have said they are doubling every ten years (actually faster now). I posted the numbers earlier but they are easily available from stats canada.

Riiiiight. That's like a Jew making a judgement that letting in tens of thousands of Nazis every year is bad and you saying "well, that's not based on any kind of logic, after all..." Who knows WHAT that judgment is based on...

And why should we? Aside from your desperate need to demonstrate how liberal and unbigoted you are, why on Earth should be be bringing in hundreds of thousands of people who despise our culture and want only to change it to the one which existed in their home country?

Bull. I lived for ten years in the riding which had the highest percentage of Muslims in Ontario - which means Canada. I believe Mikedavid has often spoken about his many expreiences with Sikhs. Neither of us has come to love those we lived amongst because WE LIVED AMONGST THEM. You're an ideological zealot with a closed mind so you can't see or hear anything which conflicts with your close minded views.

No offence, but you don't seem like the neighbourly type ... are you happier with your neighbours now?

Michael Hardner · October 4, 2007

Argus,

And there is a difference between unpalatable and disguting.

You're calling their views on women disgusting, not me. I'm not upset by closed minded people.

Immigrants aren't going to be as Canadian as their children will be. The best thing about Canada is its youth.

YOu and the other Lefties would be pulling your hair out and screaming in outrage if the opinons expressed by Muslims were held by any White group.

Where is this shrieking you speak of ? I'm calmly discussing this with you, as I have been all along.

But because they're minorities your knee-jerk paternalism forces you to "rush to the rescue" shrieking in self-righteous condemnation that anyone dares to criticize.

I haven't condemned you, either. I'm just trying to understand your argument.

Your argument seems to be based on an idea that I'm upset.

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She hasn't made a logical judgement. From your example, she doesn't "like" the idea... based on who knows what.

Riiiiight. That's like a Jew making a judgement that letting in tens of thousands of Nazis every year is bad and you saying "well, that's not based on any kind of logic, after all..." Who knows WHAT that judgment is based on...

I can't believe you're making such an inaccurate and distasteful comparison.

And why should we? Aside from your desperate need to demonstrate how liberal and unbigoted you are, why on Earth should be be bringing in hundreds of thousands of people who despise our culture and want only to change it to the one which existed in their home country?

They want to come here ! Why do you think they despise our culture ?

Bull. I lived for ten years in the riding which had the highest percentage of Muslims in Ontario - which means Canada. I believe Mikedavid has often spoken about his many expreiences with Sikhs. Neither of us has come to love those we lived amongst because WE LIVED AMONGST THEM. You're an ideological zealot with a closed mind so you can't see or hear anything which conflicts with your close minded views.

Where did you live ? I live in Toronto.

Again, you close your argument by calling me a zealot, when just above you were saying that I engage in self-righteous condemnation.

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Argus, you just have no argument. Your argument begins with describing me shrieking and pulling my hair out. You call me names, make a distasteful comparison to WW2 era Germany, and say that immigrants despise our culture. You have no argument whatsoever.

Canadian Blue · October 4, 2007

Here's the definition of a bigot ScottSA, it sums you up nicely.

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Bull. I lived for ten years in the riding which had the highest percentage of Muslims in Ontario - which means Canada. I believe Mikedavid has often spoken about his many expreiences with Sikhs. Neither of us has come to love those we lived amongst because WE LIVED AMONGST THEM. You're an ideological zealot with a closed mind so you can't see or hear anything which conflicts with your close minded views.

I've lived in Edmonton, Winnipeg, the GTA, the Montreal Area, yet haven't felt threatened by minorities, and now even in Medicine Hat of all places we have a muslim population, yet for some reason those of us who have interacted with visible minorities don't have such a large dislike of them. In fact back in my younger days while I was a member of the Canadian Alliance and Conservative Party I met an MP who was Muslim who shockingly did not have the qualities which you believe all Muslims have.

And why should we? Aside from your desperate need to demonstrate how liberal and unbigoted you are, why on Earth should be be bringing in hundreds of thousands of people who despise our culture and want only to change it to the one which existed in their home country?

How do you know this, I hear Christian's who talk about how they despise our current culture as well and we need to change it [oddly enough they hold more power than the Islamic population], should we deport all of them?

ScottSA · October 4, 2007

Here's the definition of a bigot ScottSA, it sums you up nicely.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Geez, you seem to have a stubborn and complete intolerance of my beliefs. It's ok though, I know how much you need a avoid being thought of as a bigot, so I'll ignore your bigotry. Although you ought not put it on display quite so starkly if you don't want people to talk...

Canadian Blue · October 4, 2007

Geez, you seem to have a stubborn and complete intolerance of my beliefs.

I'm simply intolerant of the intolerant, whether they be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, Sikh, etc.

It's ok though, I know how much you need a avoid being thought of as a bigot, so I'll ignore your bigotry.

If you want to follow the definition that rigidly I'm also bigoted against white supremacists, Isamic extremists, Jewish extremists [one plot included bombing a Palestinian girls school], Fascists, Falangists, and Stalinists. However while saying that, I recognize that any religion or sense of "nationalism" can be distorted to fit into some narrow extremist ideology.

As for your contention that it is only Muslims who we must fear, and that it is the Muslims that seek to destroy us, how would you react to a situation such as this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2519637.stm

Edited October 4, 2007 by Canadian Blue

GostHacked · October 4, 2007

Canadian Blue

Of course no one heard of that article. Cause it was not Muslims that committed the crime. I am referring to your link.

Christians being assisted by the Jews to kill... Wonder what kind of outrage this caused at that time

ScottSA · October 4, 2007

I'm simply intolerant of the intolerant, whether they be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, Sikh, etc.

Right. So you're a bigot too, then, just like me. At least according to your own definition and subsequent admission. Is that correct?

GostHacked · October 4, 2007

Right. So you're a bigot too, then, just like me. At least according to your own definition and subsequent admission. Is that correct?

Alright everyone, stand still. Do not take the bate. Let this troller, keep on trolling. Talk amongst yourselves for a moment. I will give you a topic. How many religions have been in the 'omg they are the turristsss' spotlight.

Moxie · October 5, 2007

Hot off the presses, this is another example of Muslims Imams telling immigrants to refuse integration into Canada. All I can do is shrug and ponder, why do liberals hate Canadian Culture soooooooooooo.

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A two-part article on the mosque Web site says Muslims should also "stay completely away" from "Halloween trick-and treat nonsense," Christmas, New Year's, anniversaries, birthdays and Earth Day.

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Font:****"How can we bring ourselves to congratulate or wish people well for their disobedience to Allah? Thus expressions such as:Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Birthday, Happy New Year, etc, are completely out," it says.

In 2003, the Khalid mosque, which mainly serves the Toronto Somali-Canadian community, apologized for a newsletter that compared wishing someone a Merry Christmas to congratulating a murderer.

At the time, a junior employee was blamed for the slight, but the mosque's Web site has since posted similar edicts covering not only Christmas but also virtually every other Western celebration.

Muslims who participate in the holidays are termed ignorant and hypocritical.

While not all are religious holidays, the Internet site says Muslims are required to be different from non-Muslims "in matters which are representative of them or are characteristic of their identity."

Also banned, it says, are: watching sports or soap operas, walking dogs, family photos, wedding bands, Western hats,

Yes reasonable Accomadation is a joke, but the left love the term. It's nice to know our holidays are "Ignorant and hypocritical" but then again I'm not Muslim YET so I don't care what this Imam thinks but I do care about his hatefilled edicts.

Article: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...7bb&k=66020

Edited October 5, 2007 by Moxie

Michael Hardner · October 5, 2007

Moxie,

It's much ado about nothing, isn't it ? If there wasn't a threat of Muslims blending in to Canadian society, then this man wouldn't have had to make these statements ?

You're also misquoting what was said.

Canadian Blue · October 5, 2007

A two-part article on the mosque Web site says Muslims should also "stay completely away" from "Halloween trick-and treat nonsense," Christmas, New Year's, anniversaries, birthdays and Earth Day.

As do many Christians and several other faiths.

Yes reasonable Accomadation is a joke, but the left love the term. It's nice to know our holidays are "Ignorant and hypocritical" but then again I'm not Muslim YET so I don't care what this Imam thinks but I do care about his hatefilled edicts.

Take it up with the Jehovas Witnesses as well.

jbg · October 5, 2007

In fact back in my younger days while I was a member of the Canadian Alliance and Conservative Party I met an MP who was Muslim who shockingly did not have the qualities which you believe all Muslims have.

Most CA members don't. When and how did you switch to being left of the NDP?

Canadian Blue · October 5, 2007

Most CA members don't. When and how did you switch to being left of the NDP?

I started reading more, I recall an article written by an American conservative talking about the dangers homosexuals posed to modern society. One of the quotes was taken out of context from an article in a gay magazine satirizing the views of those bigoted against gay people. Upon finding out how much I was misled by many leading conservatives, and after initially supporting Iraq and finding out how flawed the mission was I moved over to the left. To be honest after reading more and more of the far right comments on here, I'm perfectly fine being to the left. I enjoy reading your posts JBG, as well as some of the other Conservatives on here, however it gets tiring to always read post after post of nothing but immigrant bashing.

trex · October 5, 2007

it gets tiring to always read post after post of nothing but immigrant bashing.

this town needs an enema.

Canadian Blue · October 5, 2007

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jbg · October 5, 2007

I enjoy reading your posts JBG, as well as some of the other Conservatives on here, however it gets tiring to always read post after post of nothing but immigrant bashing.

Thanks for the compliment but I am hardly a conservative. On immigration I'm in the middle. Clearly the West needs to avoid being swamped. The absorbtion rates have to be slow enough to assimilate newcomers, turn them into "Westerners" in effect.

ScottSA · October 5, 2007

I have to laugh at the constant stream of strawmen, invective, and "anti-racist" hyperbole hereabouts.

Just for the record, I'm pretty much exactly where jbg is on immigration in terms of this statement: "The absorbtion rates have to be slow enough to assimilate newcomers, turn them into "Westerners" in effect." My preferred rate of "visible minority" immigration (I love that euphemism) is quite a bit slower than most, to be sure, because the platitudes of the left notwithstanding, their very visibility leads to ghettoization and non-assimilation. Couple that with the victim philosophy of the bureaucratic left in canada, and it makes rather a joke out of "Canadian pluralism" (another euphemism for factional whinefests).

guyser · October 5, 2007

why do liberals hate Canadian Culture soooooooooooo.

Hate Canada.....? Big stretch and frankly tiresome.

Back at ya then....why cant righties read? Did they drop out or something?

Portion of the article:

It's nice to know our holidays are "Ignorant and hypocritical" but then again I'm not Muslim YET so I don't care what this Imam thinks but I do care about his hatefilled edicts.

Of course what the article says is "Muslims who participate in the holidays are termed ignorant and hypocritical"

Does that say our holidays are ignorant and hypocritical?

Canadian Blue · October 5, 2007

Thanks for the compliment but I am hardly a conservative. On immigration I'm in the middle. Clearly the West needs to avoid being swamped. The absorbtion rates have to be slow enough to assimilate newcomers, turn them into "Westerners" in effect.

But then you have to also ask how to effectively deal with declining birth rates and the aging of the population. Sure lets have a debate on immigration, however too often these debates will have subtle racist overtones attached to them due to the knee jerk reaction of certain members.

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ScottSA · October 5, 2007

But then you have to also ask how to effectively deal with declining birth rates and the aging of the population. Sure lets have a debate on immigration, however too often these debates will have subtle racist overtones attached to them due to the knee jerk reaction of certain members.

And certain other members have kneejerk reactions to largely imagined "subtle" racist overtones. If "racism" is defined as imagining that one race is superior to others, then there is no one here, to my knowledge at least, who could properly be described as racist. Even if there were, so what? But there isn't.

However, since race is a factor of immense proportions in the debate on immigration, given that a significant majority of the immigrants are "visible minorities," why pretend it's not a factor? Why intentionally pretend that visible minorities (read: non-whites) don't enclave in race-based ghettos? How honest is it to pretend? How honest are those happy happy ads showing a representative of each hue and shade smiling happily as they hold hands and dance about celebrating whatever product is being flogged? How representative of reality is it? Sure, we all have friends who are different races, and that's just peachy, but a quick look around any university or neighbourhood will clearly indicate that as a general overriding rule, people like to mate with, live with, and socialize with people of the same race. This has huge implications for the future of Canada, and it is a crime against our children, almost a sin, not to discuss it openly and honestly, without hiding behind euphemisms and platitudes.

ScottSA · October 5, 2007

Alright everyone, stand still. Do not take the bate. Let this troller, keep on trolling. Talk amongst yourselves for a moment. I will give you a topic. How many religions have been in the 'omg they are the turristsss' spotlight.

What's this? Little Miss Safetypants come to save the thread from a differing opinion? How childish.

GostHacked · October 5, 2007

What's this? Little Miss Safetypants come to save the thread from a differing opinion? How childish.

Childish my friend? Take a look at your posts.

I am not afraid of your differing opinion. But it seems you are afraid of mine. For most of my posts go ignored by you untill, I start to get snippy with you, then you seem to take notice. Selective reading? You can do better ScottSA, I know you can.

I get in crap for swearing on the forum, but ScottSA can spew at the mouth all the garbage he wants without regard.

Calling you out on it again.

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ScottSA · October 5, 2007

Childish my friend? Take a look at your posts.
I am not afraid of your differing opinion. But it seems you are afraid of mine. For most of my posts go ignored by you untill, I start to get snippy with you, then you seem to take notice. Selective reading? You can do better ScottSA, I know you can.

I get in crap for swearing on the forum, but ScottSA can spew at the mouth all the garbage he wants without regard.

Calling you out on it again.

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I ignore your posts because all you do is namecall. Why should I bother responding to that? I haven't heard you make a cogent point yet. If you'd like to ramp up your intellect a bit and challenge me on a philosophical level, you'll find I'm quite able to respond. If on the other hand you continue to sit on the sidelines throwing childish and overpunctuated snideities at me, you'll find I'm still "afraid" to respond.

Edited October 5, 2007 by ScottSA

trex · October 5, 2007

I ignore your posts because all you do is namecall. Why should I bother responding to that? I haven't heard you make a cogent point yet. If you'd like to ramp up your intellect a bit and challenge me on a philosophical level, you'll find I'm quite able to respond. If on the other hand you continue to sit on the sidelines throwing childish and overpunctuated snideities at me, you'll find I'm still "afraid" to respond.

well in the short time i've been here, most of what i've seen you do is exactly this, calling people names, and saying little else. this post now is you talking, to yourself. you like to throw in little one-liners in your posts that you think are cute and funny, but they have no meaning behind them besides childish pranks. otherwise, its thinly veiled hate. posts that are irrelevant, breaks the forum rules. posts that directly insult, breaks the forum rules. i wonder how many times others have reported you, with the so-called "form", and you've had a warning? how many warnings?

ergo, the forum rules are just a joke, they have no teeth. and you are proof of this.