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[ScottSA]

not quite, eh... canst you read too good?

go back and quote me

Alrighty then.

You said:

"I dont try to say their religion is any better than others, but we can cherry-pick parts of the christian bible that say similar things. Just trying to keep an open mind, to avoid mass hysteria."

So I took you up on it. I went and cherry picked a few choice goodies out of the Koran, like the fact that Mohammed was a rapist, a pedophile, a murderer, a thief and a genocidal maniac. By his own words, sanctified by the voices in his head.

I then challenged you to find the same characteristics in the new testament in reference to Christ. You told me to google it up, and I asked you to supply a link instead, because I have actually read parts of the New Testament, and it doesn't take Einstein to figure out that the NT goes in a wholly different direction than the good ol' boys in Arabia. So I don't want to spend eternity searching for something that clearly doesn't exist. You're wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Just admit it.

[trex]

Alrighty then.

You said:

"I dont try to say their religion is any better than others, but we can cherry-pick parts of the christian bible that say similar things. Just trying to keep an open mind, to avoid mass hysteria."

So I took you up on it. I went and cherry picked a few choice goodies out of the Koran, like the fact that Mohammed was a rapist, a pedophile, a murderer, a thief and a genocidal maniac. By his own words, sanctified by the voices in his head.

I then challenged you to find the same characteristics in the new testament in reference to Christ. You told me to google it up, and I asked you to supply a link instead, because I have actually read parts of the New Testament, and it doesn't take Einstein to figure out that the NT goes in a wholly different direction than the good ol' boys in Arabia. So I don't want to spend eternity searching for something that clearly doesn't exist. You're wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Just admit it.

not wrong, just have bigger fish to fry. i dont take you seriously, thats all. but in this case you do seem to be serious, since youve done lots of work now.

certainly its very easy to pick things from the old testament that are extremely violent, but the new testament has some of these violent things as well. the church has used these to justify its horrific actions against humanity, for centuries as a totalitarian society. i mentioned to you inquisitions, jesuits, crusaders, mass killing of native children. priests child abuse covered up by the church, to this very day.

did you know that the origin of antisemitism in europe goes back over a thousands years, and was instigated by the church? that is what the inquisition was all about, rooting out the jews. a heretic was a jew who was pretending to be christian for their own protection. martin luther himself was ne of the greatest antisemites in history, haveing written several scathing articles about what to do with the jews, that would make goebbels blush. in fact, adolph and joseph were mainly inspired by luther, that old german, who is more or less the father of modern protestantism.

here is a link for one of his articles for you to peruse-

On the Jews and their Lies

tb-> "we can cherry-pick parts of the christian bible that say similar things. "

now look, i am not here for christian-bashing, or any other religions because i think its a highly personal thing for many people, and not to offend things they believe. and these ancient writings need to be considered in their historical context, not to be taken LITERALLY, which is the problem of the fundamentalists. so i dont want to dwell on this much and pick it apart. but the fact is thats the way these societies think, holy war is in both religions, none is clean and bloodless when you observe their actions over the centuries

someone created a website with a collection of some parts of NT here-

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt.html

not entirely unbiased interpretations, to be sure.

but some highlights

- "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

- Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah.

- Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law.

- "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

- The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful.

- "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, ... Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death"

etc.

[jbg]

martin luther himself was ne of the greatest antisemites in history, haveing written several scathing articles about what to do with the jews, that would make goebbels blush. in fact, adolph and joseph were mainly inspired by luther, that old german, who is more or less the father of modern protestantism.

True, but what he set in motion was the undoing of anti-semitism among Christians. When ordinary Christians, aided by the printing press, were able to read the Bible for themselves, they had the ability to stop believing the garbage fed to them by the hate-priests.

I assume that illiteracy plays a big role in the current death cult religion, since people who cannot read have to accept at face value the trash they are fed by their mullahs religious leaders.

[Moxie]

True, but what he set in motion was the undoing of anti-semitism among Christians. When ordinary Christians, aided by the printing press, were able to read the Bible for themselves, they had the ability to stop believing the garbage fed to them by the hate-priests.

I assume that illiteracy plays a big role in the current death cult religion, since people who cannot read have to accept at face value the trash they are fed by their mullahs religious leaders.

That's it in a nutshell, the Mullahs favor madressas over traditional education because they can brain wash their faithful. 24/7 of being TOLD by an Imam what Allah said is dangerous, education is the key to addressing radical Islamist.

[kuzadd]

That's it in a nutshell, the Mullahs favor madressas over traditional education because they can brain wash their faithful. 24/7 of being TOLD by an Imam what Allah said is dangerous, education is the key to addressing radical Islamist.

actually the US funded that "special" system

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?e...ity_of_nebraska

1984-1994: US Supports Militant Textbooks for Afghanistan

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The US, through USAID and the University of Nebraska, spends millions of dollars developing and printing textbooks for Afghan schoolchildren. The textbooks are filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation. For instance, children are taught to count with illustrations showing tanks, missiles, and land mines. Lacking any alternative, millions of these textbooks are used long after 1994; the Taliban are still using them in 2001. In 2002, the US will start producing less violent versions of the same books, which President Bush says will have “respect for human dignity, instead of indoctrinating students with fanaticism and bigotry.”

or

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/afghanistan/schools.html

In 1986, under President Ronald Reagan, the U.S. put a rush order on its proxy war in Afghanistan. The CIA gave Mujahideen an overwhelming arsenal of guns and missiles. But a lesser-known fact is that the U.S. also gave the Mujahideen hundreds of millions of dollars in non-lethal aid; $43 million just for the school textbooks. The U.S. Agency for International Development, AID, coordinated its work with the CIA, which ran the weapons program.

When 1.5 million children went back in school in Afghanistan in the spring of 2002, a tough lesson was waiting for them. While the country welcomed some semblance of peace for the first time in years, war remained very much a part of its classrooms. Afghanistan's teachers tried to erase war images from the textbooks, images that got there in the first place due in large part to Cold War policies in the United States.

or

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code.

Too bad, some choose to spout nonsense, instead of facts.

It is infact correct to say, from 1984, possibly as early as 1982, the US via the CIA funded and provided the violent brainwashing text books, for the kids in school, as it served the US very well to brainwash the populace.

Sigh..... a little truth can go a long, long, way...

Edited September 30, 2007 by kuzadd

[DogOnPorch]

kuzadd: Too bad, some choose to spout nonsense, instead of facts.

It is infact correct to say, from 1984, possibly as early as 1982, the US via the CIA funded and provided the violent brainwashing text books, for the kids in school, as it served the US very well to brainwash the populace.

Sigh..... a little truth can go a long, long, way...

1982??...back then we were led to believe that all Russian women looked like dumptrucks, too. The Cold War was a funny time...but most of us kids seemed pretty aware that 'duck and cover' wasn't going to do a darn thing if an H-Bomb exploded over our city. No matter what the school's film-strip claimed...

CIA text books handed out to a few Afghani schools in the 1980s doesn't explain the rise of neo-facism in the rest of the Muslim world. Or does it? Please expand if you can...

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I thought using the Ayatollah's money to support the Nicaraguan resistance was a neat idea.

---Lt Col Oliver North

[jbg]

actually the US funded that "special" system

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?e...ity_of_nebraska

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Too bad, some choose to spout nonsense, instead of facts.

It is infact correct to say, from 1984, possibly as early as 1982, the US via the CIA funded and provided the violent brainwashing text books, for the kids in school, as it served the US very well to brainwash the populace.

Sigh..... a little truth can go a long, long, way...

At that point, the goal was to defeat the Soviets, far more dangerous enemies than a bunch of 9th Century Muslims. If I had history to do over I'd do that again.

[ScottSA]

not wrong, just have bigger fish to fry. i dont take you seriously, thats all. but in this case you do seem to be serious, since youve done lots of work now.

certainly its very easy to pick things from the old testament that are extremely violent, but the new testament has some of these violent things as well. the church has used these to justify its horrific actions against humanity, for centuries as a totalitarian society. i mentioned to you inquisitions, jesuits, crusaders, mass killing of native children. priests child abuse covered up by the church, to this very day.

did you know that the origin of antisemitism in europe goes back over a thousands years, and was instigated by the church? that is what the inquisition was all about, rooting out the jews. a heretic was a jew who was pretending to be christian for their own protection. martin luther himself was ne of the greatest antisemites in history, haveing written several scathing articles about what to do with the jews, that would make goebbels blush. in fact, adolph and joseph were mainly inspired by luther, that old german, who is more or less the father of modern protestantism.

here is a link for one of his articles for you to peruse-

On the Jews and their Lies

tb-> "we can cherry-pick parts of the christian bible that say similar things. "

now look, i am not here for christian-bashing, or any other religions because i think its a highly personal thing for many people, and not to offend things they believe. and these ancient writings need to be considered in their historical context, not to be taken LITERALLY, which is the problem of the fundamentalists. so i dont want to dwell on this much and pick it apart. but the fact is thats the way these societies think, holy war is in both religions, none is clean and bloodless when you observe their actions over the centuries

someone created a website with a collection of some parts of NT here-

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt.html

not entirely unbiased interpretations, to be sure.

but some highlights

- "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

- Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah.

- Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law.

- "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

- The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful.

- "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, ... Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death"

etc.

So in other words you're wrong. Or your reading comprehension absolutely sucks. Did you even read my challenge? Avoid the bong for a few seconds...long enough to think.

[trex]

Please do stop making an ass of yourself.

So in other words you're wrong. Or your reading comprehension absolutely sucks. Did you even read my challenge? Avoid the bong for a few seconds...long enough to think.

what do you mean, guy. just explain your point, and please stop insulting me continually

[ScottSA]

what do you mean, guy. just explain your point, and please stop insulting me continually

Go back and read what I said. I'm not interested in you picking out tidbits of text in the old testament, or even uncontextual tidbits from the new testament. I want you to show me where Christ, under orders from God:

1 Raped women

2 Boinked a 9 year old girl

3 Slaughtered or enslaved a tribe or two of Jews

4 Practised banditry

5 or did anything remotely....remotely...like any of the above.

Have fun.

[trex]

Go back and read what I said. I'm not interested in you picking out tidbits of text in the old testament, or even uncontextual tidbits from the new testament. I want you to show me where Christ, under orders from God:

1 Raped women

2 Boinked a 9 year old girl

3 Slaughtered or enslaved a tribe or two of Jews

4 Practised banditry

5 or did anything remotely....remotely...like any of the above.

Have fun.

that is why i asked you to quote me earlier, and you should learn to read better, i never said christ raped people or did those specific things you are indicating. go back and read the quote you pasted today, show me where i claim those things you are so interested in? exactly why i would not answer your "challenge" to these claims

[trex]

True, but what he set in motion was the undoing of anti-semitism among Christians. When ordinary Christians, aided by the printing press, were able to read the Bible for themselves, they had the ability to stop believing the garbage fed to them by the hate-priests.

but anti semitism persisted for another 5 centuries, worsening until it climaxed in "the final solution". this expression meant, an answer to the LONG standing question of what to do with the jewish diaspora. so even though they could read the bible, it didnt change their attitude toward jews, and as i posted elsewehere, maybe even reinforced it... there are parts that imply that the jews should be attacked. after all they were responsible for the death of our lord, no?

what luther wrote against jews was as hateful as any nazi propaganda, and the inquisition, just as awful. and in fact, the common people of europe, right up to WW2 (and possibly beyond) shared a real hatred for the jew, most nations in europe willingly participated in helping the nazis, by arresting their jewish citizens and sending them away on the rail lines to auschwitz, treblinka and the many other camps spread out all over europe, not just around germany. and they were run by the locals there, those ones happy to be rid of their "problem". the reason some were happy to cooperate? better the nazis than the communists! because as heartless as the nazi ideology was, stalin was even worse!

Edited September 30, 2007 by tbud

[kuzadd]

1982??...back then we were led to believe that all Russian women looked like dumptrucks, too. The Cold War was a funny time...but most of us kids seemed pretty aware that 'duck and cover' wasn't going to do a darn thing if an H-Bomb exploded over our city. No matter what the school's film-strip claimed...

CIA text books handed out to a few Afghani schools in the 1980s doesn't explain the rise of neo-facism in the rest of the Muslim world. Or does it? Please expand if you can...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I thought using the Ayatollah's money to support the Nicaraguan resistance was a neat idea.

---Lt Col Oliver North

hey dop!

(see your still about)

If only it was a few, but it wasn't.

It went on for more then ten yrs and was costing millions and millions of dollars.

perhaps, you should start with the links I posted and go from there.

There are also some books on the topic.

Here, right from my originating post, in really big words, so it can't be missed

wrt your comment on books handed out to a 'few schools'

millions of these textbooks are used long after 1994; the Taliban are still using them in 2001.

Millions of books, that is lots, lots more then a few!

lots of brainwashing material for lots of kids, over a long period of time.

Of course, what choice would the Afghan government have but to continue to use the only books they had, provided for them so freely, by the US, war-torn and deeply impoverished.

Plus the Taliban were nothing but lackeys to the US anyway....

actually, i could expand, more but the 3 links i provided you with should be good enough start for you to do your own homework?

You don't need your hand-held.I am certain of that.

Edited October 1, 2007 by kuzadd

[ScottSA]

Plus the Taliban were nothing but lackeys to the US anyway....

Most people try to hide their ignorance. Others take great pride in running it up the flagpole and flapping it about.

[trex]

Most people try to hide their ignorance. Others take great pride in running it up the flagpole and flapping it about.

well actually kuzadd is right there, i would say its you who is flapping about. the taleban were propped up by the united states to take control of afghanistan, after the soviet war. read "ghost wars- a history if the cia and the taliban", it will help you to understand what went on.

"The basis of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to any group resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and started the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing these U.S.-backed training camps for the Muslims. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan and by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war.

They received training and arms from Pakistan, the U.S. as well as other Middle Eastern countries who had been recruited by the U.S. to thwart the Soviet invasion of this region."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Origin

it sounds like the cia supports terrorist regimes for their own ends. hmm, doesnt that sound familiar these days?

these taleban are truly sick in the head and should have been stopped long ago. however, this horror went on for more than two decades while the west, which put them in power did nothing. the fact that they were removed by usa had solely to do with september 11, it seems, and the demand for them to hand over osama bin laden. other than that, the world was willing to turn a blind eye while women and children were beaten regularly, forced to stay locked in there homes and not allowed to attend schools or even general hospitals. people were killed indiscrimnately in the streets. it certainly makes me proud, not

so while it is not wrong to go and remove the taleban, that they helped put into power in the first place, they do not fool me. they move in on another country for their own reasons, making fancy speeches about the noble purpose of their war, only not to deliver on their promises in the end, once they have had enough. it doesnt matter if they are repressive regimes, as long as they are cooperative with the western powers.

is it their intention to bestow blessed democracy for real? maybe not, if they can't defeat the taliban, they might try to negotiate and give them back some power. so much for that little misadventure.

Edited October 1, 2007 by tbud

[ScottSA]

well actually kuzadd is right there, i would say its you who is flapping about. the taleban were propped up by the united states to take control of afghanistan, after the soviet war. read "ghost wars- a history if the cia and the taliban", it will help you to understand what went on.

"The basis of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to any group resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and started the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing these U.S.-backed training camps for the Muslims. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan and by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war.

They received training and arms from Pakistan, the U.S. as well as other Middle Eastern countries who had been recruited by the U.S. to thwart the Soviet invasion of this region."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Origin

it sounds like the cia supports terrorist regimes for their own ends. hmm, doesnt that sound familiar these days?

these taleban are truly sick in the head and should have been stopped long ago. however, this horror went on for more than two decades while the west, which put them in power did nothing. the fact that they were removed by usa had solely to do with september 11, it seems, and the demand for them to hand over osama bin laden. other than that, the world was willing to turn a blind eye while women and children were beaten regularly, forced to stay locked in there homes and not allowed to attend schools or even general hospitals. people were killed indiscrimnately in the streets. it certainly makes me proud, not

so while it is not wrong to go and remove the taleban, that they helped put into power in the first place, they do not fool me. they move in on another country for their own reasons, making fancy speeches about the noble purpose of their war, only not to deliver on their promises in the end, once they have had enough. it doesnt matter if they are repressive regimes, as long as they are cooperative with the western powers.

is it their intention to bestow blessed democracy for real? maybe not, if they can't defeat the taliban, they might try to negotiate and give them back some power. so much for that little misadventure.

Well, actually, Kuzzad is wrong. The Taliban were not connected to the US in any way shape or form at the time of the invasion, and had indeed already become international pariahs. Kuzzad is obviously attempting to link them as of the date of invasion, no doubt through ignorance rather than deceit. Attempting to call the Taliban US lackeys is rather like calling the Soviets US lackeys by virtue of the help the US sent during the war.

The rest of your rant is the standard boilerplate of the left and not worth replying to.

[trex]

you cannot reply on those points because, its true. as long as the leadership of a country is complying with the wests economic objectives, they will turn a blind eye to transgressions of human rights. the hypocracy of western governments today is that they value money over people, but for the public they tell us about the good we are doing for those foreign lands that are being invaded. or as jean kirkpatrick said, better an oppressive regime that cooperates, than a democtratic one that doesnt.

meanwhile our troops are fighting, killing and dieing for their lies. but you have no meaningful response to that, other than your foolish quips. your answers are in themselves, boiler-plate one-liners intended to come across as smug or humorous, doesnt work for me. i am defending the troops who should not be asked to risk their life for the deceitful plutocrats

Edited October 1, 2007 by tbud

[kuzadd]

Well, actually, Kuzzad is wrong. The Taliban were not connected to the US in any way shape or form at the time of the invasion, and had indeed already become international pariahs. Kuzzad is obviously attempting to link them as of the date of invasion, no doubt through ignorance rather than deceit. Attempting to call the Taliban US lackeys is rather like calling the Soviets US lackeys by virtue of the help the US sent during the war.

The rest of your rant is the standard boilerplate of the left and not worth replying to.

well actually scottsa, I am right on the $$$$.

check the links, the book tbud noted, and there are some other books also.

Perhaps you really, really need to do your own homework.

The taliban were very much connected to the US.

it is yourself that is either intentionally deceitful, or sorely ignorant (lacking knowledge)

empower yourself!

[Rue]

Well I'd like to know sufficient details over that before I give a comment. Can you provide a link?

The point is when ever there is a discussion as to anything to do with Islam, someone like this will someone tie it in to Jews and something negative about Jews. Typical and predictable and I doubt you will find a link. Me thinks it was a made up in the moment response because like I said, when in doubt, throw in something about a Jew. Like that changes the whole point of the intiial comment.

Other then try deflect attention on Jews and make them seem "just as bad" what was the purpose of the comment? See this "well Jews are just as poo poo as Muslims when they are in jail and making food demands" new level of debate proves something all we Jews know-when we get arrested and are put in jail, we are stupid enough to tell everyone we are kosher and whine about it cuz you know the skin head-Aryans, nd the Muslim brotherhood in prison oh they will just love that. What a crock.

Edited October 1, 2007 by Rue

[Rue]

If the original ost was intended to incite Muslims it worked.

Me I found it funny and originally did not respond to it referring to Muslims in any way.

Now that it has become an opportunity to hurl sheeyit at Muslims for being Muslims or moi for being circumsized, I pass.