A Muslim inmate has won $2,000 for bacon insult

[sharkman]

And totally lacking in factual content too, since I cited several links regarding Jews suing for the right to have kosher food in prison.

You need to read more carefully, jbg clearly said that Jews are rarely in prison. Or did you see that and just decide to ignore it?

[Shakeyhands]

I have to say, it's surprising to me just how rampant it is here. I'm sure if this had been a Jew complaining about his rights to Kosher food, it would never have made it to this board. That's all too obvious by the responses in this thread.

Not sure why you are surprised AW, its always the same conservatives saying such things. Always.

[jdobbin]

Unless under persecution, Jews are rarely in prisons. Maybe that's part of it.

In 10 years at Sing-Sing prison, the executions by religion were:

http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/prison.htm

During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics,

26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan, and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.

[jdobbin]

You need to read more carefully, jbg clearly said that Jews are rarely in prison. Or did you see that and just decide to ignore it?

By religion, Jews account for 1.4% of the population of U.S. prisons. Coincidentally, they account for 1.4% of the U.S. population.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

[jefferiah]

The whole meal was Halal except for three measly strips of bacon. Two eggs, three pieces of toast, coffee, juice, breakfast cereal. More than probably alot of us eat for breakfast anyway. So it's not as if there was not sufficient food for the Islamic diet. All he had to do was say hold the bacon. It is a ridiculous case. It doesn't matter whether a Jew would do the same. American Woman should also take the meals served in the American prisons in the case of the Jewish litigants into consideration. In this case there was more than enough to make a meal without the three measly strips of bacon. What difference does it make who is conservative or who isn't. It was a frivolous lawsuit. Courts should not have time for such pathetic gibberish.

In this particular case there was a plethora of Halal nourishment. It would amount to nothing more than refusing your cole slaw with your take out order.

[jefferiah]

or maybe Muslims, or at least the one muslim of the story, wasn't going to sit around and take it any more. Good for him.

I know this is one of the older posts in the thread, but I have to reply to this one.

Not going to sit around and take it anymore. Peter, this has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read on this forum. Good one. You make it sound as if the guy were being forced to clean the latrines with his tongue. Once again, I will point out the meal: two eggs, three pieces of toast, cereal, and beverages.....oh and three strips of bacon he had to refuse.

Damn, I wonder how he was able to take it for so long.

We're not gonna take it

No we aint gonna take it.......

Edited September 25, 2007 by jefferiah

[Peter F]

I think it was frivolous too. But that was never ScottSA's point, nor mine.

ScottSA in the original post said:

I'm beginning to think Muslims are nothing but whiney thugs.

To wich I say ScottSA is full of poo. There was nothing thuggish about the prisoners behaviour. Whiney perhaps but then arn't we all? ScottSA has been whining about muslims for ages and I've been whining about the civilian casualties being acceptable and jbg has been whining that too many people support palestinians and you've been whining about the stupid courts. There is nothing wrong with whining.

There is something wrong when posters claim that whiners following the judicial process are thugs and not law abiding citizens. Wich is ScottSA's point.

ScottSA claims that Muslims who follow the judicial process, like every other citizen of this country are expected to do; Who do not resort to violence and threats - are thugs nevertheless.

ScottSA's statement was a huge steaming pile of bullshit....Wich, I like to think I immediately addressed.

I couln't give two shits about whether he has or hasn't bacon on his plate. Its trivial. Its meaningless, its of no importance. And youve bought the bullshitj about this guy being a violent thug for doing what is perfectly well within his or anyone elses right to do: Complain.

I recommend you read FTA's post above and the courts decision. What began and should have remained trivial got turned into a Federal Case - not because the Thug threatened everyone with Jihad - but because the beurocrats that were to deal with the mans complaint in good faith chose instead to lie, to hide information, to deny government policy, to claim they've done nothing wrong when they did.

The prisoner did what I hope I would have done also. Recognize the bullshit and appeal to higher authority, So I say good for him. Ihope he doe's it again. He is example of good citizenship.

and all you can think about is his three pieces of bacon...l

Edited September 25, 2007 by Peter F

[Bonam]

Are we talking about a prison here or a 5 star resort? Criminal prisoners, of whatever religion, should consider themselves lucky just to have reasonable portions of edible food provided at all, something that many prisons around the world and throughout history do not and have not provided.

Honestly why are tax-payers forced to pay for a wide variety of different ethnic/religious foods in prisons? Be it Halal or Kosher or anything else, it's an unncessary luxury and an irresponsible waste of money in a prison system. Criminals should eat standardized low cost mass produced foods.

[Peter F]

Are we talking about a prison here or a 5 star resort? Criminal prisoners, of whatever religion, should consider themselves lucky just to have reasonable portions of edible food provided at all, something that many prisons around the world and throughout history do not and have not provided.

Honestly why are tax-payers forced to pay for a wide variety of different ethnic/religious foods in prisons? Be it Halal or Kosher or anything else, it's an unncessary luxury and an irresponsible waste of money in a prison system. Criminals should eat standardized low cost mass produced foods.

Yes, well we wouldn't want our prisoners trying to adhere to any religious practices now would we? No need for enlightenment in prison.

[jefferiah]

Yes, well we wouldn't want our prisoners trying to adhere to any religious practices now would we? No need for enlightenment in prison.

Once again Peter, I will point out:

three slices of toast, two eggs, a bowl of cereal, jam, beverages....all Halal

If he wants to adhere to Muslim practices he can do so by asking to hold those three measly strips of bacon.

If you were a Muslim and you were at my house and I were about to serve that meal, would you not say "Please no bacon for me."

[jefferiah]

The prisoner did what I hope I would have done also. Recognize the bullshit and appeal to higher authority, So I say good for him. I hope he doe's it again. He is example of good citizenship.

Yep, good for him. What a brave citizen standing up to a complete breakfast like that. How dare they serve better breakfasts in that prison than I eat and add three slices of bacon which he could easily refuse. Good on him. Anyone know the fellow's name. We should make a holiday in his honor.

[jefferiah]

and all you can think about is his three pieces of bacon...l

Lol. Apparently that's all he could think about. He made a federal case out of it.

[Peter F]

Once again Peter, I will point out:

three slices of toast, two eggs, a bowl of cereal, jam, beverages....all Halal

If he wants to adhere to Muslim practices he can do so by asking to hold those three measly strips of bacon.

If you were a Muslim and you were at my house and I were about to serve that meal, would you not say "Please no bacon for me."

I have no idea. Im not a follower of the Prophet, so I cannot say.

The Muslim in question thought different. Go figure.

[jefferiah]

I have no idea. Im not a follower of the Prophet, so I cannot say.

The Muslim in question thought different. Go figure.

Oh please Peter. No one is saying he can't be a practicing Muslim. He had a complete Halal breakfast there without the bacon. You seem to make it sound as if we think it is horrible having enlightenment in prison. What is wrong with expecting people in prison to do the same thing everyone in the free civilian world does when they don't like a certain corner of a fair-sized platter. If you don't like your cole slaw you dont eat it, or you can just say no cole slaw please. Or no tomatoes on my hamburger please.

[Peter F]

Oh please Peter. No one is saying he can't be a practicing Muslim. He had a complete Halal breakfast there without the bacon. You seem to make it sound as if we think it is horrible having enlightenment in prison. What is wrong with expecting people in prison to do the same thing everyone in the free civilian world does when they don't like a certain corner of a fair-sized platter. If you don't like your cole slaw you dont eat it, or you can just say no cole slaw please. Or no tomatoes on my hamburger please.

Well, I have no doubt that you consider his actions outlandish. So do I. I consider the behaviour of those who were to deal with his outlandish complaint also outlandish ... at wich point (and this is the part you don't seem to grasp) the prisoner was correct to persue the matter.

the bacon is meaningless.

[Peter F]

Why is this guy some sort of freak for wanting something else other than bacon?

What is so unbelievably outlandish about that?

Why not give him something else other than bacon?

Whys is this a huge deal to you?

[jefferiah]

Why is this guy some sort of freak for wanting something else other than bacon?

What is so unbelievably outlandish about that?

Why not give him something else other than bacon?

Whys is this a huge deal to you?

Why cant I get something else in place of my cole slaw? What if a prisoner doesn't like his toast? What if a prisoner does not like the type of jam provided with the toast?

Its a huge deal because Canadian courts should not even consider frivolous complaints by people who are not in a "Five Star Hotel".

[Peter F]

Yep, good for him. What a brave citizen standing up to a complete breakfast like that. How dare they serve better breakfasts in that prison than I eat and add three slices of bacon which he could easily refuse. Good on him. Anyone know the fellow's name. We should make a holiday in his honor.

Well, he did something you wouldn't. If it had have been you, and they put three earthworms on your plate would you eat them? Say 'hold the worms please sir' or say 'may I have something other than worms please?'

To you and ScottSA, the answer to that question determines wether you are a thug or not.

[jefferiah]

Well, he did something you wouldn't. If it had have been you, and they put three earthworms on your plate would you eat them? Say 'hold the worms please sir' or say 'may I have something other than worms please?'

To you and ScottSA, the answer to that question determines wether you are a thug or not.

I think you understand that an earthworm is not a common part of any menu. Hardly comparable to the bacon. Now you may say that is revolting to a muslim, but still Peter, cmon that is a bit off isnt it. If it were Earth worms on my plate you would know it was some kind of insult. The bacon was not an insult since it is a regular part of most of the prisoners diet. But all he has to do is ask for no bacon on his plate. If you made some reasonable suggestion, like clams, which I find disgusting, I would forego eating the clams. Unlike the earthworms, even though clams are equally disgusting to me, I would not consider it some kind of abuse because clams are a common food and I would understand that many of my fellows probably eat them. There was no abuse intended toward me. If that were the main course of the meal and there was not a reasonable amount of nutrition besides the clams, you would have me. But that is not the case here. Two eggs, three slices of toast, jam, ketchup, breakfast cereal, beverages.

I never said he was a thug, Peter. But whiney is spot on.

Edited September 25, 2007 by jefferiah

[sharkman]

By religion, Jews account for 1.4% of the population of U.S. prisons. Coincidentally, they account for 1.4% of the U.S. population.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

What a confusing, poorly written and organized first link. And the earlier link you dug up, skepticfiles, is hardly an objective source with which to base anything. When I read jbg's post, I assumed he was refering to nationality when speaking of Jews in prisons. Interesting that you assumed the opposite. I guess that's what makes people unique.

at any rate, when counting nationalities, Jews are incarcerated at a rate far under their percentage of the population. If we wanted to point to a group of people who's numbers far exceed their population, that would be Blacks, but who's counting.

Edit: What your adherents web site actually proves without realizing it, is there are no atheists in foxholes. How many claiming an intimate knowledge of the Almighty are actually practicing Christians of one faith or another is one thing no researcher can accurately find out. But they do what they can, hoping for hits on their web page.

Edited September 25, 2007 by sharkman

[jbg]

A truly classic Jbg comment: concise, to the piont and disarming opposing views in one easy shot.

Thanks. I guess I redeemed myself from the "victimization" post.

[jbg]

And totally lacking any citation. Classic indeed.

Common everyday experience. Black Dog, in your heart of hearts, on that clear morning of September 11, 2001 after you knew two planes hit the Twin Towers, did you have any doubt as to who the author was? Some points are so obviously they don't need cites. The term of art is "judicial notice" when in a Court, the idea being that if everybody knows something the Courts do to.

And totally lacking in factual content too, since I cited several links regarding Jews suing for the right to have kosher food in prison.

Please repost. I am not going to look for a needle in a haystack.

In a way, those links, if they exist are like "man bites dog" being news.

[jbg]

You need to read more carefully, jbg clearly said that Jews are rarely in prison. Or did you see that and just decide to ignore it?

Exactly. But some would have you believe that a Zionist conspiracy prevents Jews from being prosecuted for violent crimes.

Oops, which one?

[jbg]

By religion, Jews account for 1.4% of the population of U.S. prisons. Coincidentally, they account for 1.4% of the U.S. population.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

Mostly white collar crimes, in all likelihood. Financial fraud is our funnybone.

[jbg]

We're not gonna take it

No we aint gonna take it.......

OK, music trivia buffs. Who did that song?