kimmy Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Khadr didn’t just decide to toss a grenade on that fateful day; he was groomed to do so almost from the time he was born. Most here should be somewhat aware of his father's exploits and should consider that Omar was in terrorist training camps from the age of 7. Now I ask you, if Omar were a white boy trained by his reclusive white supremacist parents to fight the government from the age of 7, and then subsequently killed an ATF agent during a raid on their compound when he was 15, would we vilify him so? I don't recall any outpouring of sympathy for white supremacist murderers. And I think the scenario you describe is flawed for another reason: your hypothetical white supremacist murderer would be easy to classify, easy to prosecute, and easy to put away. It would be rather cut and dried, as opposed to the confusing legal situation we see with regard to Khadr. I do not think Khadr would be vilified to this extent if he were convicted and imprisoned. It is the fact that this legal situation remains unresolved and in the news that people find aggravating, but much more aggravating is the possibility that this guy could wind up back in Canada as a free man (and probably suing us, to boot.) I think the prospect of seeing that happen is what really fuels the anger toward this situation. Bring the boy home and do what we can to rehabilitate the poor abused soul. I would not be opposed to that, if said rehabilitation took place inside a prison. And that is the dilemna: if he can't be charged and prosecuted, then how is this "rehabilitation" going to occur? Do you wish him to be brought back to Canada to walk the streets as a free man? I'm not particularly fond of the idea. I doubt that even the biggest lefties in Canada are very excited to see that happen. But if our government can't find some way of making legal charges stick, then that's what will happen as soon as he's released from Gitmo. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
jbg Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 I see, 9/11 was the manifest failure of the courts. Give me a freaking break! The States had all the tools it ever needed before 9/11. Their weakness was internal communication which, from what I understand, they've only exasperated exacerbated in creating the Department of Homeland Security. Homeland Security was a typically cosmetic response, as it making people take off their shoes while going through airport security. Mohamed is not going to be deterred from attacking by these "feel-good" measures. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
kimmy Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) yoga Really, is it necessary to use colors that might cause epileptic kids to have seizures? I know we're all special snowflakes, but could you please find a less hideous way of expressing your individuality? That's truly nauseating. I'm very concerned about his social and psychological development (link). But this is hilarious. Sadly, if Li'l Omar gets returned to Canada as a free man, I suspect we're all going to be concerned about his social and psychological development. As in, I don't want a full-fledged psychopath free to roam about the country. -k Edited September 21, 2007 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
jennie Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Really, is it necessary to use colors that might cause epileptic kids to have seizures? I know we're all special snowflakes, but could you please find a less hideous way of expressing your individuality? That's truly nauseating.But this is hilarious. Sadly, if Li'l Omar gets returned to Canada as a free man, I suspect we're all going to be concerned about his social and psychological development. As in, I don't want a full-fledged psychopath free to roam about the country. -k I think we have to consider whether we rehabilitate child soldiers from other countries, but not from our own. He was underage, and obviously tutored. Khadr should be treated as a child soldier who could be rehabilitated, the lawyer said. ... "I would say generally he understands what's happening, to the extent that any of us do," Kuebler said of his client. "But it's very clear he doesn't have the same grasp as a normal 21-year-old man would." He acknowledged that Khadr's cause is unpopular in Canada because of his late father's alleged terrorist activities and controversial statements made by other members of his family. But enough is enough, Kuebler said. "Really, what you have is the U.S. government attempting to punish Omar for the alleged sins of his father and the Canadian government punishing him for the sins of his family." Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
kimmy Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 I think we have to consider whether we rehabilitate child soldiers from other countries, but not from our own. He was underage, and obviously tutored. You've ducked the question of how this rehabilitation is to be attempted. If we can't prosecute Khadr and place him in prison, then how can we "rehabilitate" him? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
jennie Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) You've ducked the question of how this rehabilitation is to be attempted.If we can't prosecute Khadr and place him in prison, then how can we "rehabilitate" him? -k Do we 'rehabilitate' child soldiers by putting them in prison? I doubt it. What would we prosecute him for? If he was a legal combatant, what was his crime? Killing is ugly, but not a crime in war. Children on the Front Line: Child Soldiers in Afghanistan http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?do...rintversion.cfm Many other children in Afghanistan are feeling the affects of war first hand, as soldiers. On Oct. 2, 2001, The New York Times reported provisional commander, Fazil Ahmend Azimi, saying, "It's been three decades of our people going backward in terms of education. We have young boys that are more familiar with a gun than with school." Children in Afghanistan "have been raised in a highly militarized 'kalishnikov culture;' in schools both inside the country and refugee camps, textbooks and teaching methods have used images of tanks, guns and bullets in mathematics and reading classes." But pictures in books are not the only kind of violence these children witness. The use of children by the warring parties is not new to Afghanistan. Many young boys fought against the Soviet invasion and have since remained in a war-fighting capacity. Recruitment and use of children to participate in war continues today. A new report prepared by the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers highlights patterns of child recruitment by the Taliban, United Front (Northern Alliance) and other warring factions in Afghanistan. (The report is available at www.child-soldiers.org). Hmm ... gives one pause for thought. Edited September 21, 2007 by jennie Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
ScottSA Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Bring the boy home and do what we can to rehabilitate the poor abused soul. What utter rot. Quote
Argus Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Bring the boy home and do what we can to rehabilitate the poor abused soul. Might I suggest a bullet behind the ear? It'll do a wonder for his attitude. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Peter F Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 You've ducked the question of how this rehabilitation is to be attempted.If we can't prosecute Khadr and place him in prison, then how can we "rehabilitate" him? -k If we can't prosecute Khadr and place him in prison then there is no need to rehabilitate him. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Argus Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Do we 'rehabilitate' child soldiers by putting them in prison? I doubt it.What would we prosecute him for? If he was a legal combatant, what was his crime? Killing is ugly, but not a crime in war. First, Khadr is not a child. I don't think of fifteen year olds as children, either, frankly, not when they're wielding machine guns. Khadr is, by all I've heard, beyond rehabilitation. The very concept of rehabilitation is a western liberal arrogance which implies that by simply speaking to the poor, benighted soul some wise and gentle liberal therapist can convince him of the error of his ways, convince him to renounce a lifetime of violence and religious fanaticism. That's utterly ludicrous. However he became what he is, Khadr is now a violently inclined religious fanatic with a hatred for the West. On being brought back here and released he would immediately start considering how he could gather like-minded individuals and what violence they could perpetrate. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Both, Britian and Austrilia have gotten their citizens out that the prison in Cuba and have you ever heard Harper ask Bush to release this Canadian to Canada. The US courts says that the 15 year old, when he was placed in prison and now is 21, cannot be held and have dismissed the charges but Bush has to blame someone, since OBL isn't around! His US attorney has said the only way this guy is going to be released is by the Canada goung to bat for him BUT HARPER isn't doing that!! Just hope no other Canadian is held in prison because Harper will never be there to help!! Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 First, Khadr is not a child. I don't think of fifteen year olds as children, either, frankly, not when they're wielding machine guns.Khadr is, by all I've heard, beyond rehabilitation. The very concept of rehabilitation is a western liberal arrogance which implies that by simply speaking to the poor, benighted soul some wise and gentle liberal therapist can convince him of the error of his ways, convince him to renounce a lifetime of violence and religious fanaticism. That's utterly ludicrous. However he became what he is, Khadr is now a violently inclined religious fanatic with a hatred for the West. On being brought back here and released he would immediately start considering how he could gather like-minded individuals and what violence they could perpetrate. I agree, it amazes me how some people think that everyone will accept their beliefs. In my travels I've encountered others who hold fanatical beliefs, they very seldom, if ever, change those beliefs. The bottom line is that Khadr is an established enemy of the west and western values. Still, maybe we should start shipping these terrorist goofs over here so we can "rehabilitate" them. On the other hand I think one of the Khadr's has renounced his Islamic Fundamentalist roots. I don't know if the young one ever will though. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
jbg Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 I think many on this board relish the violence he'd bring to Canada. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jennie Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 I agree, it amazes me how some people think that everyone will accept their beliefs. In my travels I've encountered others who hold fanatical beliefs, they very seldom, if ever, change those beliefs. The bottom line is that Khadr is an established enemy of the west and western values. Still, maybe we should start shipping these terrorist goofs over here so we can "rehabilitate" them.On the other hand I think one of the Khadr's has renounced his Islamic Fundamentalist roots. I don't know if the young one ever will though. Khadr has served 6 years in a horrible prison. He is convicted of NO CRIME: His act is deemed an act of war and yet he has served more time than a Canadian youth would for murder. I fail to comprehend why our government can't issue a simple request to return him to Canada. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
old_bold&cold Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 I do not want this guy in my Canada period. He has alreadt shown that he will take up arms and kill people for his extremists beliefs, and he even went to the trouble of going to another country to train in the ways of a terrorist. He was captured in Afghanistan, and that is where he should end up. Not in Canada in any way shape or form. Only an idiot would believe that this man is capable of rehabilitation. The US brought him to Cuba, and it is they who should return him to where they found him. It is that easy. If his family does not like that, then maybe we should let them join him, as we are not holding them here by force, now are we. If you look at the true immigrants who have come here to work for a better life, you will not find them saying to bring him back to Canada. It is only those with bleeding heart causes that would be so arrogant to ask such a thing of the Canadian people. Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 I fail to comprehend why our government can't issue a simple request to return him to Canada. Maybe because the majority of Canadians don't want him in Canada. Do you personally believe he would be a positive addition to Canadian society? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Argus Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Both, Britian and Austrilia have gotten their citizens out that the prison in Cuba and have you ever heard Harper ask Bush to release this Canadian to Canada. The US courts says that the 15 year old, when he was placed in prison and now is 21, cannot be held and have dismissed the charges They have done no such thing. s but Bush has to blame someone, since OBL isn't around! His US attorney has said the only way this guy is going to be released is by the Canada goung to bat for him BUT HARPER isn't doing that!! Another good reason to vote for Harper. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Khadr has served 6 years in a horrible prison.He is convicted of NO CRIME: His act is deemed an act of war and yet he has served more time than a Canadian youth would for murder. I fail to comprehend why our government can't issue a simple request to return him to Canada. Because we don't want him here. Because most of us would be happier if he and his whole family were sent back to Afghanistan and hung. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Because we don't want him here. Because most of us would be happier if he and his whole family were sent back to Afghanistan and hung. Ditto. Quote Back to Basics
ScottSA Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 Khadr has served 6 years in a horrible prison.He is convicted of NO CRIME: His act is deemed an act of war and yet he has served more time than a Canadian youth would for murder. I fail to comprehend why our government can't issue a simple request to return him to Canada. Running low on site security at Caledonia? Quote
jennie Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 All I can say is its a good thing you boys don't run the world! Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
old_bold&cold Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 We live here in Canada where we elect people to run our country. For the most part the majority rules. So now take a look at those who think your way, and the large number that think our way. Yes it is a good thing that we the majority do rule the country at least. That way those who think like you, will be less likely to harm our way of life Quote
jennie Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 We live here in Canada where we elect people to run our country. For the most part the majority rules. So now take a look at those who think your way, and the large number that think our way. Yes it is a good thing that we the majority do rule the country at least. That way those who think like you, will be less likely to harm our way of life It is not as simple as "your way" and "our way", of course. But of course if by "your way" you mean 'Harper's way', I must point out that his share of the polls is far from a majority: Last I heard, 30% was not a majority of Canadians! However, a solid 70% of Canadians do want our governments to honour aboriginal rights and treaties. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
M.Dancer Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 However, a solid 70% of Canadians do want our governments to honour aboriginal rights and treaties. I bet you can't find a credible source to back that up. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
uOttawaMan Posted September 21, 2007 Report Posted September 21, 2007 I think many on this board relish the violence he'd bring to Canada. Who let the troll out? Quote "To hear many religious people talk, one would think God created the torso, head, legs and arms but the devil slapped on the genitals.” -Don Schrader
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