Bush Has a(nother) Bad Day

[guyser]

Anyway, my calendar starts Sept. 20, so I suppose I'd best not peek ahead, but as of that date: 488 days left!

This from the woman who ate the christmas day chocolate from those christian calendars on Dec 10th, peeked at all her presents by Dec 15th,snuck an easter egg on good friday?

And we are to believe you?

j/k ...need a smiley here

[xul]

Honesty is way overrated....China had problems deploying just a few troops to Haiti will Taiwan laughs in their face. How's that for honesty?

Yes....just as Bush adminstration had a problem of deploying a lot of troops in Iraq while Bin Ladin is at large in Afghanistan and laughs in their face by telling American they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end in a vedio type.

By the way, why would you think I was the representative of Chinese government? I guess Chinese chairman Hu, Russian president Putin and French president Nicolas Sarkozy will more like a American president who will continue the war in Iraq because when America exhausts her strength in the war of Iraq, they will have more chance to deal with their own business freely and get rid of the interference from Uncle Sam.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes....just as Bush adminstration had a problem of deploying a lot of troops in Iraq while Bin Ladin is at large in Afghanistan and laughs in their face by telling American they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end in a vedio type.

Even if it were only one soldier, all China can do it watch.

By the way, why would you think I was the representative of Chinese government? I guess Chinese chairman Hu, Russian president Putin and French president Nicolas Sarkozy will more like a American president who will continue the war in Iraq because when America exhausts her strength in the war of Iraq, they will have more chance to deal with their own business freely and get rid of the interference from Uncle Sam.

That's what China said about Vietnam too....ooops! How do you like Uncle Sam now? (He's been to China many times with gunboats and soldiers.)

[Guest American Woman]

(American Woman @ Sep 10 2007, 02:18 PM)

Anyway, my calendar starts Sept. 20, so I suppose I'd best not peek ahead, but as of that date: 488 days left!

This from the woman who ate the christmas day chocolate from those christian calendars on Dec 10th, peeked at all her presents by Dec 15th,snuck an easter egg on good friday?

And we are to believe you?

j/k ...need a smiley here

Have we met? It's as if you know me.

Of course I peeked. And while I wasn't much for eating the chocolates on the Christmas calendars, I did open presents ahead of time and rewrap them so no one would know. And I could never buy Halloween candy until Halloween, or I'd have to go back for more.

This is a pretty informative/entertaining calendar, but I'm not going to peek any more. (On second thought, I'm sure I will.)

[xul]

Even if it were only one soldier, all China can do it watch.

Even if there were only one soldier, he must not stop fighting----sounds like Chairman Mao tought Chinese soldier when I was a kid.

Don't worry. At one point I agree with you: The next president will still be an American, so he/she will still send American troops to Iraq because he/she will still have no policy to end the war without leaving Iraqi oil to Iran or AQ.

That's what China said about Vietnam too....ooops! How do you like Uncle Sam now? (He's been to China many times with gunboats and soldiers.)

One hundred years ago Uncle Sam did send gunboats and soldiers to China to blackmail ransom. But he has no longer had the ability to do so now, though he still has the ability to do the same thing to some small country like Iraq.

We like him now because he come to China with a civilized way.

[bush_cheney2004]

One hundred years ago Uncle Sam did send gunboats and soldiers to China to blackmail ransom. But he has no longer had the ability to do so now, though he still has the ability to do the same thing to some small country like Iraq.

We like him now because he come to China with a civilized way.

Yes, Uncle Sam came to China during WW2 as well, spending money and lives to help fight the Japanese laying waste to Manchuria. It is always funny when Uncle Sam is welcomed to protect the favorite ox, but not others.

[xul]

Yes, Uncle Sam came to China during WW2 as well, spending money and lives to help fight the Japanese laying waste to Manchuria. It is always funny when Uncle Sam is welcomed to protect the favorite ox, but not others.

Yes, Uncle Sam did come to China during WW2 to help us fighting Japanese. In addition, around recently 30 years, Uncle Sam also help us well both in economy and technology. He also help us to contact and understand the value and idea of West such as democracy and freedom. We will be gratitude for all of these forever.

But from another point of view, would you really think China doing nothing for America? In WW2 there were millions of Japanese in China, that means they could not go to other part of the world to fight against American. American government did not help China defence Manchuria even did not help Chinese government to defence Nanjing, the capital of China in that time, when 200 thousand civilians were killed there by Japanese army. It was Stalin who sent airplanes and pilots to help China defence Japanese because he worried Japanese would attack Siberia from China. American came to China after Dec 7th, 1941, Japanese attacked American fleet and army in Hawaii and Philippine when the war between China and Japan had lasted 5 years. We were helping each other, not only America helped China. Though I agree America help China more than China help to America.

I have mentioned above the help from America to China recent years. But China also helps American a lot. Why did Nixon come to China? Do you think this American anti-communism veteran came to China to charity Chairman Mao, the extreme left-wing communist leader in that time? The event happened during the cold war, then America needed China help to prevent Soviet Union especially America failed and withdrew from Vietnam in that time. Perhaps some American would say:"China must buy our CPU because there is not another supplier available." That's right. But with out China, these guys must pay more money for their "Made in Canada" keybord rather than their "Made in America" CPU. Though, China needs America more than America needs China. But some times this means nothing. Just imagine, America makes a war with China for Taiwan, turely America has the ability fanally defeating China, perhaps far hard than America defeat militants in Iraq. But meanwhile we fight each other, Russian will rule Europe, Iran will rule mideast, who know who will rule Africa....America will get a burned Island with its 200 milion refugee with nothing, just as British won the war to Germany, but lost the world to America. Both of us will lose. This is why Chairman Hu can bear Taiwan separatist leader Chen's provocation and President Bush will to help him suppress Chen taking the plunge.

The world needs America, but America also needs the world. If some American think only the world needs America but they do not need the help of others in the world, why they go to Iraq to shed American boys blood? They can just do like the ancient Chinese emperors, build a Great Wall enclosing America border and living along.

As a foreigner, I can tell American, we respect America not because American always according with their presidents, just like what always happens in DPRK now and had ever happened in China when I was a kid, but because some American have the courage to criticize their president's fault even their own country's fault.

Edited September 11, 2007 by xul

[bush_cheney2004]

American came to China after Dec 7th, 1941, Japanese attacked American fleet and army in Hawaii and Philippine when the war between China and Japan had lasted 5 years. We were helping each other, not only America helped China. Though I agree America help China more than China help to America.

This is false....Americans were in China before 12/7/41...see Flying Tigers.

I have mentioned above the help from America to China recent years. But China also helps American a lot. Why did Nixon come to China? Do you think this American anti-communism veteran came to China to charity Chairman Mao, the extreme left-wing communist leader in that time? The event happened during the cold war, then America needed China help to prevent Soviet Union especially America failed and withdrew from Vietnam in that time.

Nonsense...see Sino-Soviet pact and split, border wars, Stalin & Mao. The Chinese are still playing with copies of Soviet junk.

[xul]

This is false....Americans were in China before 12/7/41...see Flying Tigers.

American Venture Group is a private organization before Dec 7th, 1941. Mr.Claire L. Chennault was employed by Chinese government not American goverment at that time. In fact, American government tried to restrict his activity when Japanese protested. At last, American government adopted his action, after the Pearl Harbor Incident.

Nonsense...see Sino-Soviet pact and split, border wars, Stalin & Mao. The Chinese are still playing with copies of Soviet junk.

I suggest you would read Nixon and Kissinger's memoirists. It is the fact that America was eager to deal with Mao at that time.

China has herself problem. But Chinese faults can not counteract American faults. And Chinese pain can not relieve American pain. This is truth.

[M.Dancer]

This is false....Americans were in China before 12/7/41...see Flying Tigers.

Prior to 1942 The Flying Tigers were mercenaries in the pay of the Chinese Nationalists. Chenault reported directly to Madame Chiang Kai Shec. They did not receive government approval to recruit US servicemen till April 1941. In 42 thay were absorbed back into the military.

Their actual combat record began late Dec. 1941, after Pearl Harbor (sic).

[bush_cheney2004]

Prior to 1942 The Flying Tigers were mercenaries in the pay of the Chinese Nationalists. Chenault reported directly to Madame Chiang Kai Shec. They did not receive government approval to recruit US servicemen till April 1941. In 42 thay were absorbed back into the military.

Their actual combat record began late Dec. 1941, after Pearl Harbor (sic).

Nevertheless, they were in China long before Pearl Harbor, and FDR approved / funded the operation in April. The AVG P-40's did not just magically arrive after Pearl Harbor. The same sort of American "mercenaries" fought as Canadians over Britain.

I will Google for Chinese national pilots and aircraft defending America.

[M.Dancer]

Nevertheless, they were in China long before Pearl Harbor, and FDR approved / funded the operation in April. The AVG P-40's did not just magically arrive after Pearl Harbor. The same sort of American "mercenaries" fought as Canadians over Britain.

I will Google for Chinese national pilots and aircraft defending America.

I see no evidence of FDR funding them. The warplanes were paid for by the Chinese and Americans who fought under the Red Ensign, fought under canadian leadeship, not under American as were the Tigers.

The "they" who were in China long before PH were Chenault nad his limited staff. The tigers didn't see comabt till after PH.

[bush_cheney2004]

I see no evidence of FDR funding them. The warplanes were paid for by the Chinese and Americans who fought under the Red Ensign, fought under canadian leadeship, not under American as were the Tigers.

The "they" who were in China long before PH were Chenault nad his limited staff. The tigers didn't see comabt till after PH.

So what.....they still had to engineer the secrecy, logistics, aircraft assembly, training, etc. without getting caught by the Japanese. FDR had to authorise temporary "resignations" for active duty Americans to sign up for the AVG.

I'm still Googling for Chinese nationals and their fighter aircraft defending the USA.....nothing yet.

[M.Dancer]

So what.....they still had to engineer the secrecy, logistics, aircraft assembly, training, etc. without getting caught by the Japanese. FDR had to authorise temporary "resignations" for active duty Americans to sign up for the AVG.

I'm still Googling for Chinese nationals and their fighter aircraft defending the USA.....nothing yet.

They couldn't have done a great job about the secrecy, seeing it wasn't a secret.....I'm not sure of the relevancy of your last statement....

[bush_cheney2004]

They couldn't have done a great job about the secrecy, seeing it wasn't a secret.....I'm not sure of the relevancy of your last statement....

Doen't matter how good a job of subterfuge was affected, it was still officialy deniable and great lengths were taken to protect a neutral stance, including fake passports, travel docs for Burma, CAMCO assembly for the P-40s, etc. FDR had to maintain the "lie" for domestic consumption and federal elections.

Getting back on topic, future presidents would continue such deceptive practices for US foreign policy goals.